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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby The Bedge » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:21 pm

morell wrote:8 teams have lost a final and gone on to win the flag since 2013. All of them were a team losing the second semi and then reversing the result in the GF.

D6 2013 - Westminster lost to CLG
D8 2013 - Modbury lost to SMOSH
D1 2014 - Goodwood lost to ROCS
D3 2014 - Modbury lost to Unley
D4 2014 - Golden Grove lost to Salisbury West
D1R 2014 - Goodwood lost to ROCS
D6R 2014 - Lockleys lost to Rosewater
D8R 2014 - PAOC lost to Hope Valley

That's 8 out of 34 (inc 2015 D7) which equates to 24%. Bit more than your 1 out of 20 (5%) jo! Not the biggest sample size and we will see what happens after this weeks games.

That would make Smithfield feel good about this weekend.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:18 pm

Zartan wrote:
morell wrote:8 teams have lost a final and gone on to win the flag since 2013. All of them were a team losing the second semi and then reversing the result in the GF.

D6 2013 - Westminster lost to CLG
D8 2013 - Modbury lost to SMOSH
D1 2014 - Goodwood lost to ROCS
D3 2014 - Modbury lost to Unley
D4 2014 - Golden Grove lost to Salisbury West
D1R 2014 - Goodwood lost to ROCS
D6R 2014 - Lockleys lost to Rosewater
D8R 2014 - PAOC lost to Hope Valley

That's 8 out of 34 (inc 2015 D7) which equates to 24%. Bit more than your 1 out of 20 (5%) jo! Not the biggest sample size and we will see what happens after this weeks games.

That would make Smithfield feel good about this weekend.
Indeed it would.

I'll crunch the numbers after the D1 results.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:18 am

Thirteen! :D

morell's Myths!
1. You play the way you train.
2. Pre-seasons are really important in amateur football.
3. Stretching achieves anything, ever.
4. Every club pays players.
5. Getting to a game early allows for a superior preparation.
6. Business slacks make you a more professional and disciplined club.
7. Strapping does anything, ever.
8. Outside players are soft.
9. Going up a division attracts better quality players and people.
10. Voice and communication is REALLY important.
11. Hiding your better players by not putting them in the paper is effective.
12. Umpires are capable of adjudicating best players.
13. Leadership positions make a massive on field difference.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby The Bedge » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:26 am

I've had time to consider your myths over the past year or so.. and i've compared them both to cricket and footy..

The only one i think is important - is 3. Stretching achieves anything, ever.

Prob coz i'm old and fat and if i dont stretch i'm not gonna walk for days :lol:

The rest I am actually agreeing with you - not entirely, obviously there are players that these things are important for but i suspect that's more about their mental psyche than anything e.g. play the way you train, pre season are important.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby jo172 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:40 am

morell wrote:Thirteen! :D

morell's Myths!
1. You play the way you train.
2. Pre-seasons are really important in amateur football.
3. Stretching achieves anything, ever.
4. Every club pays players.
5. Getting to a game early allows for a superior preparation.
6. Business slacks make you a more professional and disciplined club.
7. Strapping does anything, ever.
8. Outside players are soft.
9. Going up a division attracts better quality players and people.
10. Voice and communication is REALLY important.
11. Hiding your better players by not putting them in the paper is effective.
12. Umpires are capable of adjudicating best players.
13. Leadership positions make a massive on field difference.


Don't necessarily agree with the last one. Some people do lift as on-field leaders proportionate to their leadership position.

Whether their is necessarily a cause/effect relationship in the lift in performance to their leadership position I can't determine. But I think there is at least a correlative effect.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:47 am

The most recent one was prompted by the captaincy talk in the D6 thread. It's utterly ridiculous how much thought and emphasis goes into who is and isn't a captain or leader in our sport. To me the title captain is ceremonial, especially on game-days.

A teams leaders are your leaders, whether or not they have a title is irrelevant, and yet much consternation occurs about these titles which in reality don't mean anything.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:49 am

jo172 wrote:
morell wrote:Thirteen! :D

morell's Myths!
1. You play the way you train.
2. Pre-seasons are really important in amateur football.
3. Stretching achieves anything, ever.
4. Every club pays players.
5. Getting to a game early allows for a superior preparation.
6. Business slacks make you a more professional and disciplined club.
7. Strapping does anything, ever.
8. Outside players are soft.
9. Going up a division attracts better quality players and people.
10. Voice and communication is REALLY important.
11. Hiding your better players by not putting them in the paper is effective.
12. Umpires are capable of adjudicating best players.
13. Leadership positions make a massive on field difference.


Don't necessarily agree with the last one. Some people do lift as on-field leaders proportionate to their leadership position.

Whether their is necessarily a cause/effect relationship in the lift in performance to their leadership position I can't determine. But I think there is at least a correlative effect.

If this occurs then there is a flaw in the development model that you have in your leadership program if someone needs a title to lead.

Leadership is a skill and a talent and something that not many people have. It does not come with an appointment any more than deciding "morell is now our Kicking Team Leader" makes me a good kick.

Thus, the formal appointment of a captain, is moot.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby jo172 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:02 am

Still disagree. Some people need the formal jolt to their system of being appointed which does give them an extra lift. I accept this may indicate a flawed character, but this is consistent with my experience of humanity, namely it's filled with flawed characters.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:07 am

I guess the idea is that the club has a leadership program which encourages the people that might've needed a formal title to lead anyway. Therefore the difference between that program and a formal appointment for that player from an on field leadership outcome perspective would be minuscule.

I would say that this is probably more of a truism the younger the group. People who have been used to a traditional hierarchical system might need more of a structured approach.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby Yank Man » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:18 pm




Morell is 'The Myth' and yes heirachy is definitely overrated.

For those that believe Morell thinks a bit different, yep, you bet your sweet bippie he does. The one great thing about him is his ability to get people to think outside the square. I fought it for years but when I actually got it, I loved to listen. Privelidge to debate with him. Merry Christmas my friend. ;)
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Tue May 16, 2017 9:23 am

Fourteen! :D

morell's Myths!
1. You play the way you train.
2. Pre-seasons are really important in amateur football.
3. Stretching achieves anything, ever.
4. Every club pays players.
5. Getting to a game early allows for a superior preparation.
6. Business slacks make you a more professional and disciplined club.
7. Strapping does anything, ever.
8. Outside players are soft.
9. Going up a division attracts better quality players and people.
10. Voice and communication is REALLY important.
11. Hiding your better players by not putting them in the paper is effective.
12. Umpires are capable of adjudicating best players.
13. Leadership positions make a massive on field difference.
14. Dropping gun players to the B Grade is an effective motivation technique
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby The Bedge » Tue May 16, 2017 10:13 am

morell wrote:2. Pre-seasons are really important in amateur football.

4. Every club pays players.

10. Voice and communication is REALLY important.

Still think 2 and 10 are important, and number 4 would be getting close to being busted in a few years time. :D
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby human_torpedo » Tue May 16, 2017 10:19 am

Zartan wrote:
morell wrote:2. Pre-seasons are really important in amateur football.

4. Every club pays players.

10. Voice and communication is REALLY important.

Still think 2 and 10 are important, and number 4 would be getting close to being busted in a few years time. :D

Also think a side with quality leaders on field will be better off than a side with no leadership.. Im talking actual leadership in terms of instruction and actions rather than just a gun player with a title..
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby The Bedge » Tue May 16, 2017 10:21 am

human_torpedo wrote:Also think a side with quality leaders on field will be better off than a side with no leadership.. Im talking actual leadership in terms of instruction and actions rather than just a gun player with a title..

i was more tying in voice/communication into that leadership part. Screaming for the ball - not important.. Directing players, showing leadership, talking through situations, positive reinforcement and support - rate highly.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby human_torpedo » Tue May 16, 2017 10:24 am

Zartan wrote:
human_torpedo wrote:Also think a side with quality leaders on field will be better off than a side with no leadership.. Im talking actual leadership in terms of instruction and actions rather than just a gun player with a title..

i was more tying in voice/communication into that leadership part. Screaming for the ball - not important.. Directing players, showing leadership, talking through situations, positive reinforcement and supprt - rate highly.

Yeh agreed. Screaming out 'Get the voice up' at the back of a line at training, and giving instructions regarding on field structural set up - 2 very different things. the former is all hoo-ha, the latter is very important..
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Tue May 16, 2017 10:34 am

Correct lads and that was the crux of my argument. Instructional voice at the right time in the right way can be very important.

Voice overall, in terms of loudness and frequency, is not.

How often have we heard coaches say "we cant hear any voice from the sideline lads, lift the voice!!" and then the team goes and yells random incoherent rubbish.

Give me a smart footballer that says nothing over a loud idiot, in other words.
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 16, 2017 5:25 pm

morell wrote:Correct lads and that was the crux of my argument. Instructional voice at the right time in the right way can be very important.

Voice overall, in terms of loudness and frequency, is not.

How often have we heard coaches say "we cant hear any voice from the sideline lads, lift the voice!!" and then the team goes and yells random incoherent rubbish.

Give me a smart footballer that says nothing over a loud idiot, in other words.


Given you're in div 7 i assume you fit into the latter category ;)
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 16, 2017 5:25 pm

morell wrote:Correct lads and that was the crux of my argument. Instructional voice at the right time in the right way can be very important.

Voice overall, in terms of loudness and frequency, is not.

How often have we heard coaches say "we cant hear any voice from the sideline lads, lift the voice!!" and then the team goes and yells random incoherent rubbish.

Give me a smart footballer that says nothing over a loud idiot, in other words.


Given you're in div 7 i assume you fit into the latter category ;)
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Re: Mass debate with Morell

Postby morell » Tue May 16, 2017 5:29 pm

Was even better the second time.

I'm in D7 because I am old, fat, slow, unfit, lazy and cant kick. With dodgy knees and wonky fingers. I'm a real catch.

Not because I'm an idiot.
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