Permits - the age old debate
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:04 pm
Thought i'd stick this up straight out of the Update and you can all argue among yourselves.... from the pen of the Big Cheese.
You’re on the Permit Committee
Your over-arching mantra and responsibility as a permit committee member is to
1. Act without bias
2. Do what is good for footy in general.
a. That includes
i. Doing what is right for the player.
ii. Doing what is right for team playing against
iii. Setting precedent for or against the same club for the next year when the club comes back with “but last year”.
3. Sift through violin playing stories with very little information to back it up.
a. Refer to previous applications from the same club who have gilded the lily on applications. (polite way of describing it)
4. Stand to attention because the club applying never tries it on much less has been caught on the fib.
5. Refer to Rules and Regulations
6. Make moral judgements because Rules and Regulations don’t cover the permit application so you need to refer to Point # 2 which is key to the board charter and purpose.
7. Put up with Bullsh1t protests for and against after.
8. Have a good memory for next year when a club flips on their position in Point 7.
Fill in the box, reply and remember, We’ll be keeping emails for 2024 if we have to refer to Pts. 7 or 8
Permit # Yes No
1
2
3
4
Permit # 1
Consider this.
Club X has A and B playing Elimination finals.
Player Y plays 18 A grade matches throughout the year and crucially NOT one B grade match in the minor round
Player Y gets dropped to the B grade for the Elimination Final of which both A and B grade are playing.
The A grade looses and B grade wins.
Not only can Player Y play in the B grade the following week, he or she does NOT even need a permit to play B grade.
Flip the story a bit to this
Until the very last round, Club X A grade was in a fight to dodge relegation (or even to play finals) - Point is they were playing for something and lets be brutally frank given the success of A grade can be paramount to either immediate considerations of finals or what division the club is in 2024, what that club is fighting for is more important than B, C or D grade success.
Club X has A grade finish 6th and B grade finish 5th.
Player Y plays 12 A grade matches then in Rd 13 gets dropped to the B grade for the rest of the season keeping in mind the precarious state of the A grade and their motivation for success means they’re picking the best 21 they can.
In concert with considering that it is indisputable the player was dropped from the A grade whilst the A grade was fighting to avoid relegation that as it turned out until the last quarter of the Rd 18 match, as a permit committee member, are you giving Player Y a permit or not ?
Permit # 2
Club AA applies for a permit for an 18yo.
He plays BBBCBBB (6B – 1C) in that order.
He played 10 U17.5 matches on a permit for an over-ager for same club.
Club AA applies for permit to play C grade.
Are you giving the player a permit in Permit # 2 or not ?
Permit # 3
Player M plays 8 A grade and 8 B grade
Rd 1 – 9 he/she played 8 A grade.
Rd 10 – 18 he/she played 8 B grade i.e., 50/50
Technically, needs a permit. Are you giving it or not ?
Permit # 4
Player P from the same club as Permit 3 plays 8 A grade and 8 B grade
Rd 1 – 9 he/she played 8 B grade.
Rd 10 – 18 he/she played 8 A grade i.e., 50/50
Technically, needs a permit. Are you giving it or not ?
Yes or no to #3 and #4 ?
You’re on the Permit Committee
Your over-arching mantra and responsibility as a permit committee member is to
1. Act without bias
2. Do what is good for footy in general.
a. That includes
i. Doing what is right for the player.
ii. Doing what is right for team playing against
iii. Setting precedent for or against the same club for the next year when the club comes back with “but last year”.
3. Sift through violin playing stories with very little information to back it up.
a. Refer to previous applications from the same club who have gilded the lily on applications. (polite way of describing it)
4. Stand to attention because the club applying never tries it on much less has been caught on the fib.
5. Refer to Rules and Regulations
6. Make moral judgements because Rules and Regulations don’t cover the permit application so you need to refer to Point # 2 which is key to the board charter and purpose.
7. Put up with Bullsh1t protests for and against after.
8. Have a good memory for next year when a club flips on their position in Point 7.
Fill in the box, reply and remember, We’ll be keeping emails for 2024 if we have to refer to Pts. 7 or 8
Permit # Yes No
1
2
3
4
Permit # 1
Consider this.
Club X has A and B playing Elimination finals.
Player Y plays 18 A grade matches throughout the year and crucially NOT one B grade match in the minor round
Player Y gets dropped to the B grade for the Elimination Final of which both A and B grade are playing.
The A grade looses and B grade wins.
Not only can Player Y play in the B grade the following week, he or she does NOT even need a permit to play B grade.
Flip the story a bit to this
Until the very last round, Club X A grade was in a fight to dodge relegation (or even to play finals) - Point is they were playing for something and lets be brutally frank given the success of A grade can be paramount to either immediate considerations of finals or what division the club is in 2024, what that club is fighting for is more important than B, C or D grade success.
Club X has A grade finish 6th and B grade finish 5th.
Player Y plays 12 A grade matches then in Rd 13 gets dropped to the B grade for the rest of the season keeping in mind the precarious state of the A grade and their motivation for success means they’re picking the best 21 they can.
In concert with considering that it is indisputable the player was dropped from the A grade whilst the A grade was fighting to avoid relegation that as it turned out until the last quarter of the Rd 18 match, as a permit committee member, are you giving Player Y a permit or not ?
Permit # 2
Club AA applies for a permit for an 18yo.
He plays BBBCBBB (6B – 1C) in that order.
He played 10 U17.5 matches on a permit for an over-ager for same club.
Club AA applies for permit to play C grade.
Are you giving the player a permit in Permit # 2 or not ?
Permit # 3
Player M plays 8 A grade and 8 B grade
Rd 1 – 9 he/she played 8 A grade.
Rd 10 – 18 he/she played 8 B grade i.e., 50/50
Technically, needs a permit. Are you giving it or not ?
Permit # 4
Player P from the same club as Permit 3 plays 8 A grade and 8 B grade
Rd 1 – 9 he/she played 8 B grade.
Rd 10 – 18 he/she played 8 A grade i.e., 50/50
Technically, needs a permit. Are you giving it or not ?
Yes or no to #3 and #4 ?