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PatowalongaPirate wrote:Is being reported a 21-day concussion rule being brought in to all levels below AFL and AFLW.

nothing unusual with the AFL bringing in discriminatory policies.

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:As above

Watch this film

There was a neurosurgeon on 5AA this morning
Helmets protect damage to the exterior of the head not the brain.
They do SFA for concussion

The AFL should watch "Concussion"

My old man has been in sports training for 40 years and believes and is backed up by other experts that helmets encourages players to 'lead with their head' or put their head where it shouldn't be in the false belief that you'll be ok with a helmet on.

It's just false. You look at the NFL, they used to play with soft helmets, now they charge with their helmets. Has wearing helmets helped concussion and CTE? No.

gadj1976 wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:As above

Watch this film

There was a neurosurgeon on 5AA this morning
Helmets protect damage to the exterior of the head not the brain.
They do SFA for concussion

The AFL should watch "Concussion"

My old man has been in sports training for 40 years and believes and is backed up by other experts that helmets encourages players to 'lead with their head' or put their head where it shouldn't be in the false belief that you'll be ok with a helmet on.

It's just false. You look at the NFL, they used to play with soft helmets, now they charge with their helmets. Has wearing helmets helped concussion and CTE? No.

It's actually an offence in NFL
Do it in NCAA football and its a send off and a healthy ban

Dutchy wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

PatowalongaPirate wrote:Is being reported a 21-day concussion rule being brought in to all levels below AFL and AFLW.

and 11 days for AFL Why? Less of a brain to damage?

If the AFL were serious about this they would stand by the 21 day ban also and make it industry consistent not matter what level. The optics and acceptance at grassroots level would be much better if they did.

The big difference is the AFL clubs have full time staff and treatments available. The average bloke who runs around on a Saturday has a part-time medical (physio or something) and/or volunteers assessing with little to no follow up

My son has not played since the first week of July 2022 after a behind the play hit in a Div 5 game put him in hospital with concussion for the 3rd time in 18 months. The other 2 were a result, in my humble opinion, of unnecessarily aggressive and careless. He had also unfortunately had 2 incidents playing junior football.

The medical recommendation is that he does not play contact sport again and he hasn’t turned 21 yet. This is such a difficult and important issue. So much more is known than just 3-5 years ago in relation to concussion and yet so much more is still unknown, and the debate will continue as to what the solution is.

Medical advice from a concussion specialist in Adelaide after his second concussion in senior footy in 2021 was a helmet will not prevent concussion. It will help to prevent a fractured skull was what we were told. Extended break from training and the game is the only way to possibly recover. He sat out 6 weeks after that 2nd incident in the 2021 season.

Our great game has to change. Player behaviour has to change. Players must be held accountable for harm, intended or otherwise, being done to other players. So much of what we are seeing in recent AFL incidents involving a St Kilda and a Port player, and Maynard last year to name a few, are preventable. And at our amateur level we still have players striking others and tackling in unnecessary and dangerous way.

The alternative is we will lose junior and future senior players in high numbers over the coming years.

A big challenge will be how to monitor concussion incidents and symptoms on game day and enforce the 21 day lay off for the benefit of the players well being. Players will hide the symptoms as much as they can.

I know each club does its own piece on educating players about concession. At our club we have a local gp come out after training the week prior to the season starting, club puts on a free bbq for the footballers and netballers and we have a listen and can ask questions. Is it enough to get the message across who knows

The worry about 21 days imo is that without sufficient player education it’s such a long period our players may hide a concussion. For many competitions it’s literally a finals series.

It’s going to be a lot of pressure on trainers / coaches to identify head knocks or irregular behaviour from players.

Exactly what I said earlier. It's a whole finals series.
Stretcher jobs absolutely 21 days but geez if I can walk off then I'm not waiting 21 days and missing a finals campaign no way.

wassprinttospace wrote:My son has not played since the first week of July 2022 after a behind the play hit in a Div 5 game put him in hospital with concussion for the 3rd time in 18 months. The other 2 were a result, in my humble opinion, of unnecessarily aggressive and careless. He had also unfortunately had 2 incidents playing junior football.

The medical recommendation is that he does not play contact sport again and he hasn’t turned 21 yet. This is such a difficult and important issue. So much more is known than just 3-5 years ago in relation to concussion and yet so much more is still unknown, and the debate will continue as to what the solution is.

Medical advice from a concussion specialist in Adelaide after his second concussion in senior footy in 2021 was a helmet will not prevent concussion. It will help to prevent a fractured skull was what we were told. Extended break from training and the game is the only way to possibly recover. He sat out 6 weeks after that 2nd incident in the 2021 season.

Our great game has to change. Player behaviour has to change. Players must be held accountable for harm, intended or otherwise, being done to other players. So much of what we are seeing in recent AFL incidents involving a St Kilda and a Port player, and Maynard last year to name a few, are preventable. And at our amateur level we still have players striking others and tackling in unnecessary and dangerous way.

The alternative is we will lose junior and future senior players in high numbers over the coming years.

A big challenge will be how to monitor concussion incidents and symptoms on game day and enforce the 21 day lay off for the benefit of the players well being. Players will hide the symptoms as much as they can.

My dad is in the sports trainer's game (has been for 40 years) and says exactly this. In fact, a helmet gives kids/players a false sense of security, thinking they are invincible - going into contests head first instead of protecting themselves.

On the concussion as a whole - I fear for our game. Less people will take up the game as the knowledge around the damage it can cause will be greatly heightened.

gadj1976 wrote:

wassprinttospace wrote:My son has not played since the first week of July 2022 after a behind the play hit in a Div 5 game put him in hospital with concussion for the 3rd time in 18 months. The other 2 were a result, in my humble opinion, of unnecessarily aggressive and careless. He had also unfortunately had 2 incidents playing junior football.

The medical recommendation is that he does not play contact sport again and he hasn’t turned 21 yet. This is such a difficult and important issue. So much more is known than just 3-5 years ago in relation to concussion and yet so much more is still unknown, and the debate will continue as to what the solution is.

Medical advice from a concussion specialist in Adelaide after his second concussion in senior footy in 2021 was a helmet will not prevent concussion. It will help to prevent a fractured skull was what we were told. Extended break from training and the game is the only way to possibly recover. He sat out 6 weeks after that 2nd incident in the 2021 season.

Our great game has to change. Player behaviour has to change. Players must be held accountable for harm, intended or otherwise, being done to other players. So much of what we are seeing in recent AFL incidents involving a St Kilda and a Port player, and Maynard last year to name a few, are preventable. And at our amateur level we still have players striking others and tackling in unnecessary and dangerous way.

The alternative is we will lose junior and future senior players in high numbers over the coming years.

A big challenge will be how to monitor concussion incidents and symptoms on game day and enforce the 21 day lay off for the benefit of the players well being. Players will hide the symptoms as much as they can.

My dad is in the sports trainer's game (has been for 40 years) and says exactly this. In fact, a helmet gives kids/players a false sense of security, thinking they are invincible - going into contests head first instead of protecting themselves.

On the concussion as a whole - I fear for our game. Less people will take up the game as the knowledge around the damage it can cause will be greatly heightened.

Concur, without significant cultural shift (which in fairness with crackdowns on things like dangerous tackles has been happening for a number of years) there's a risk of the sport becoming a niche one like boxing.

jo172 wrote:

gadj1976 wrote:

wassprinttospace wrote:My son has not played since the first week of July 2022 after a behind the play hit in a Div 5 game put him in hospital with concussion for the 3rd time in 18 months. The other 2 were a result, in my humble opinion, of unnecessarily aggressive and careless. He had also unfortunately had 2 incidents playing junior football.

The medical recommendation is that he does not play contact sport again and he hasn’t turned 21 yet. This is such a difficult and important issue. So much more is known than just 3-5 years ago in relation to concussion and yet so much more is still unknown, and the debate will continue as to what the solution is.

Medical advice from a concussion specialist in Adelaide after his second concussion in senior footy in 2021 was a helmet will not prevent concussion. It will help to prevent a fractured skull was what we were told. Extended break from training and the game is the only way to possibly recover. He sat out 6 weeks after that 2nd incident in the 2021 season.

Our great game has to change. Player behaviour has to change. Players must be held accountable for harm, intended or otherwise, being done to other players. So much of what we are seeing in recent AFL incidents involving a St Kilda and a Port player, and Maynard last year to name a few, are preventable. And at our amateur level we still have players striking others and tackling in unnecessary and dangerous way.

The alternative is we will lose junior and future senior players in high numbers over the coming years.

A big challenge will be how to monitor concussion incidents and symptoms on game day and enforce the 21 day lay off for the benefit of the players well being. Players will hide the symptoms as much as they can.

My dad is in the sports trainer's game (has been for 40 years) and says exactly this. In fact, a helmet gives kids/players a false sense of security, thinking they are invincible - going into contests head first instead of protecting themselves.

On the concussion as a whole - I fear for our game. Less people will take up the game as the knowledge around the damage it can cause will be greatly heightened.

Concur, without significant cultural shift (which in fairness with crackdowns on things like dangerous tackles has been happening for a number of years) there's a risk of the sport becoming a niche one like boxing.

I'm pretty critical of the AFL and even the SAAFL. Fair play to the SAAFL in particular, it has done some great work in regards to the stamping out non football behavior and dangerous tackles etc.

Would be really interesting to see an age breakdown of the tribunal listings for striking and dangerous tackles, at a guess i wonder if we would see a higher than average report listing for players around that late 20's to mid 30's age.

I'm fairly confident this younger generation coming through will have less incidents in regards to striking / dangerous tackles through greater coaching and education. We are now moving into the era of the 'coward punch' rather than the generation who called blokes belting people the 'tough men'.

whufc wrote:I'm pretty critical of the AFL and even the SAAFL. Fair play to the SAAFL in particular, it has done some great work in regards to the stamping out non football behavior and dangerous tackles etc.

Sort it out.

jo172 wrote:

gadj1976 wrote:

wassprinttospace wrote:My son has not played since the first week of July 2022 after a behind the play hit in a Div 5 game put him in hospital with concussion for the 3rd time in 18 months. The other 2 were a result, in my humble opinion, of unnecessarily aggressive and careless. He had also unfortunately had 2 incidents playing junior football.

The medical recommendation is that he does not play contact sport again and he hasn’t turned 21 yet. This is such a difficult and important issue. So much more is known than just 3-5 years ago in relation to concussion and yet so much more is still unknown, and the debate will continue as to what the solution is.

Medical advice from a concussion specialist in Adelaide after his second concussion in senior footy in 2021 was a helmet will not prevent concussion. It will help to prevent a fractured skull was what we were told. Extended break from training and the game is the only way to possibly recover. He sat out 6 weeks after that 2nd incident in the 2021 season.

Our great game has to change. Player behaviour has to change. Players must be held accountable for harm, intended or otherwise, being done to other players. So much of what we are seeing in recent AFL incidents involving a St Kilda and a Port player, and Maynard last year to name a few, are preventable. And at our amateur level we still have players striking others and tackling in unnecessary and dangerous way.

The alternative is we will lose junior and future senior players in high numbers over the coming years.

A big challenge will be how to monitor concussion incidents and symptoms on game day and enforce the 21 day lay off for the benefit of the players well being. Players will hide the symptoms as much as they can.

My dad is in the sports trainer's game (has been for 40 years) and says exactly this. In fact, a helmet gives kids/players a false sense of security, thinking they are invincible - going into contests head first instead of protecting themselves.

On the concussion as a whole - I fear for our game. Less people will take up the game as the knowledge around the damage it can cause will be greatly heightened.

Concur, without significant cultural shift (which in fairness with crackdowns on things like dangerous tackles has been happening for a number of years) there's a risk of the sport becoming a niche one like boxing.

Or NFL. Where the game is ONLY played at the highest level outside of the collegiate system.

whufc wrote:I'm pretty critical of the AFL and even the SAAFL. Fair play to the SAAFL in particular, it has done some great work in regards to the stamping out non football behavior and dangerous tackles etc.

Would be really interesting to see an age breakdown of the tribunal listings for striking and dangerous tackles, at a guess i wonder if we would see a higher than average report listing for players around that late 20's to mid 30's age.

I'm fairly confident this younger generation coming through will have less incidents in regards to striking / dangerous tackles through greater coaching and education. We are now moving into the era of the 'coward punch' rather than the generation who called blokes belting people the 'tough men'.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I don't think striking / dangerous tackles are conducted, or exclusive to older players from an "old school" generation.

I don't think the generation of "tough me" as you put it has been around for a VERY long time.. and striking incidents are few and far between.

I think it doesn't matter when someone is born, you'll always get that small percentage the are overly aggressive, or short fused etc.. come from a rough childhood or have personal matters they don't know how to deal with or regulate.

AdFL is the biggest competition in the state with what something like 7,000 players - of course there are going to be more incidents than your B grade competition of 30 blokes.. but the constant crack at AdFL and/or reference to thuggery and belting people culture is just so far off the mark it's not funny, and honestly quite annoying.

Larger footprint,, Larger exposure,, More open and upfront... Constantly reviewing and adapting = easy picking for whuffer

gadj1976 wrote:Or NFL. Where the game is ONLY played at the highest level outside of the collegiate system.

Wouldn't surprise me if this was the future - school comps, second tier comps then elite level.

Everyone else just a spectator.

The Bedge wrote:

whufc wrote:I'm pretty critical of the AFL and even the SAAFL. Fair play to the SAAFL in particular, it has done some great work in regards to the stamping out non football behavior and dangerous tackles etc.

Would be really interesting to see an age breakdown of the tribunal listings for striking and dangerous tackles, at a guess i wonder if we would see a higher than average report listing for players around that late 20's to mid 30's age.

I'm fairly confident this younger generation coming through will have less incidents in regards to striking / dangerous tackles through greater coaching and education. We are now moving into the era of the 'coward punch' rather than the generation who called blokes belting people the 'tough men'.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I don't think striking / dangerous tackles are conducted, or exclusive to older players from an "old school" generation.

I don't think the generation of "tough me" as you put it has been around for a VERY long time.. and striking incidents are few and far between.

I think it doesn't matter when someone is born, you'll always get that small percentage the are overly aggressive, or short fused etc.. come from a rough childhood or have personal matters they don't know how to deal with or regulate.

AdFL is the biggest competition in the state with what something like 7,000 players - of course there are going to be more incidents than your B grade competition of 30 blokes.. but the constant crack at AdFL and/or reference to thuggery and belting people culture is just so far off the mark it's not funny, and honestly quite annoying.

Larger footprint,, Larger exposure,, More open and upfront... Constantly reviewing and adapting = easy picking for whuffer

I've actually complimented the league and reckon they have done an absolute marvelous job over the last 20 years. In fact i will say they are leading the way in all amateur sports with non tolerance to poor behavior. The SAASL could take a massive leaf out of the adelaide footy league books.

That was my point is that my generation (40 year old) was probably the last of the 'tough me' generation and as time goes on and my yet to be born grandchildren play sport it will pretty much be a non issue as there societal attitude to it will be completely different to what i grew up with. Admittedly there will always be a 1%.

The reason i raised it is that when you see the tribunal listings posted on here many of the names are very very recognizable from my days of being involved in clubs especially the northern burb names that i know alot better than elsewhere. But that is why i 'posed' the question. I wonder if there is a correlation. I wasnt saying there 100% was just that it sometimes feels like that.

Fight me

The Bedge wrote:Fight me

Lets do it on the footy field so we dont get punished by the law...Ingle Farm vs BSR.

gadj1976 wrote:

jo172 wrote:

gadj1976 wrote:

wassprinttospace wrote:My son has not played since the first week of July 2022 after a behind the play hit in a Div 5 game put him in hospital with concussion for the 3rd time in 18 months. The other 2 were a result, in my humble opinion, of unnecessarily aggressive and careless. He had also unfortunately had 2 incidents playing junior football.

The medical recommendation is that he does not play contact sport again and he hasn’t turned 21 yet. This is such a difficult and important issue. So much more is known than just 3-5 years ago in relation to concussion and yet so much more is still unknown, and the debate will continue as to what the solution is.

Medical advice from a concussion specialist in Adelaide after his second concussion in senior footy in 2021 was a helmet will not prevent concussion. It will help to prevent a fractured skull was what we were told. Extended break from training and the game is the only way to possibly recover. He sat out 6 weeks after that 2nd incident in the 2021 season.

Our great game has to change. Player behaviour has to change. Players must be held accountable for harm, intended or otherwise, being done to other players. So much of what we are seeing in recent AFL incidents involving a St Kilda and a Port player, and Maynard last year to name a few, are preventable. And at our amateur level we still have players striking others and tackling in unnecessary and dangerous way.

The alternative is we will lose junior and future senior players in high numbers over the coming years.

A big challenge will be how to monitor concussion incidents and symptoms on game day and enforce the 21 day lay off for the benefit of the players well being. Players will hide the symptoms as much as they can.

My dad is in the sports trainer's game (has been for 40 years) and says exactly this. In fact, a helmet gives kids/players a false sense of security, thinking they are invincible - going into contests head first instead of protecting themselves.

On the concussion as a whole - I fear for our game. Less people will take up the game as the knowledge around the damage it can cause will be greatly heightened.

Concur, without significant cultural shift (which in fairness with crackdowns on things like dangerous tackles has been happening for a number of years) there's a risk of the sport becoming a niche one like boxing.

Or NFL. Where the game is ONLY played at the highest level outside of the collegiate system.

Huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_A ... ll_leagues

Bring back the legal shirtfronts. Al least back then, the players tried to protect themselves when they went for the ball as they knew there was a chance they would be cleaned up. Now they just go in without protecting themselves because they know they're not allowed to be cleaned up and that's when they get injured. Game has gone to shit.

Bum Crack wrote:Bring back the legal shirtfronts. Al least back then, the players tried to protect themselves when they went for the ball as they knew there was a chance they would be cleaned up. Now they just go in without protecting themselves because they know they're not allowed to be cleaned up and that's when they get injured. Game has gone to shit.

You mean like this?