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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Jim05 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:26 am

And conversely what a debacle and absolute failure from us.
Need to make some hard calls going forward from here and work out the direction this team wants to go. Was a botched tournament from us right from the outset and some heads have to roll because of it
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby northerner » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:41 am

Jim05 wrote:And conversely what a debacle and absolute failure from us.
Need to make some hard calls going forward from here and work out the direction this team wants to go. Was a botched tournament from us right from the outset and some heads have to roll because of it

Starting with finding an allrounder. I can see why selectors stuck with M Marsh for so long cos there aint any alternatives.
Then lets forget the Maxwell experiment. Hes not good enough.
And finally...never play Handscomb in any format ever again... even if he gets runs against county and state bowlers his technique is as bad as I have seen at first class level.
Incidentally Lyon again exposed as not being up to scratch in ODI.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby RB » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:00 am

Jim05 wrote:And conversely what a debacle and absolute failure from us.
Need to make some hard calls going forward from here and work out the direction this team wants to go. Was a botched tournament from us right from the outset and some heads have to roll because of it
And yet we made the semi finals, which 6 teams didn't, and only lost to the pre-tournament favourites, on their home turf.

It's disappointing, but we were not embarrassed. Like India, we saved our worst for the first half an hour of the semi (batting innings).

Considering the national team has been in a nadir over the last twelve months, there's plenty of upside.

Anyway, I'm done with limited overs cricket for another four years.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby RB » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:02 am

northerner wrote:Incidentally Lyon again exposed as not being up to scratch in ODI.

Do you think Zampa would've been a better option?

Genuine question. As a leg spinner he looks more dangerous, but tends to bleed runs while Lyon's actually been quite economical in his stop-start ODI career.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby locky801 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:34 am

RB wrote:
Jim05 wrote:And conversely what a debacle and absolute failure from us.
Need to make some hard calls going forward from here and work out the direction this team wants to go. Was a botched tournament from us right from the outset and some heads have to roll because of it
And yet we made the semi finals, which 6 teams didn't, and only lost to the pre-tournament favourites, on their home turf.

It's disappointing, but we were not embarrassed.


Not embarrassed?? no humilated would be a better way to describe it :oops:
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Jim05 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:35 am

RB wrote:
Jim05 wrote:And conversely what a debacle and absolute failure from us.
Need to make some hard calls going forward from here and work out the direction this team wants to go. Was a botched tournament from us right from the outset and some heads have to roll because of it
And yet we made the semi finals, which 6 teams didn't, and only lost to the pre-tournament favourites, on their home turf.

It's disappointing, but we were not embarrassed. Like India, we saved our worst for the first half an hour of the semi (batting innings).

Considering the national team has been in a nadir over the last twelve months, there's plenty of upside.

Anyway, I'm done with limited overs cricket for another four years.

You forgetting us meekly rolling over to a rubbish Saffers side with nothing to play for which sent us to Edgbaston to play the Poms.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby The Dark Knight » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:01 am

RB wrote:
northerner wrote:Incidentally Lyon again exposed as not being up to scratch in ODI.

Do you think Zampa would've been a better option?

Genuine question. As a leg spinner he looks more dangerous, but tends to bleed runs while Lyon's actually been quite economical in his stop-start ODI career.

Exactly, Lyon had the third best economy rate of the Aussies for the tournament at 5.32 RPO (Cummins 4.95 and Behrendorff 5.13 the two best). Didn't have a huge impact wickets wise but he was the better option in terms of control.
Other economy rates of the better spinners in the WC-
Jadeja 3.70
Santner 4.87
Tahir 4.92
Yadav 5.02
Ali 5.34
Al Hasan 5.39

Northerner if not Zampa over Lyon then who else do you pick then?
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Booney » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:13 am

am Bays wrote:Well that wasn’t very good, was it? Ah well on to the tests


Where the ball will bend around for longer. Great.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby am Bays » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:15 am

batmanbegins wrote:You beauty, what a performance :D


But no matter what deep down you still wished your great great great great grandfather stole a loaf of bread over 200 years ago......

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Booney » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:16 am

Armchair expert wrote:Seriously Handscomb is disgusting, I play against b grade scrubbers with better techniques


I tweeted exactly that last night.

Park cricketers all over Australia look at Handscomb and think "Nah mate, that's not going to work" and any bowler who can bend one in a bit looks at him and thinks "I've got one here".

How the **** does he get to that level playing like that? He's the most unconvincing international cricketer I've ever seen. It's an indictment on our whole national system.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Bum Crack » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:30 am

Maybe a bit of karma for letting a cheating dog back into the team? I might actually watch the final now he's not playing.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Booney » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:34 am

Bum Crack wrote:Maybe a bit of karma for letting a cheating dog back into the team? I might actually watch the final now he's not playing.


Who mate?
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby whufc » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:37 am

Finch choked big time.

Had been great all tournament but under the pressure of a final fell back into old habits.

Was always going to be downhill from there when your skipper chokes like that.

Time to move him on. He wont be there at the next world cup and we genuinely have some good young one day openers coming through the ranks.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:39 am

RB wrote:
northerner wrote:Incidentally Lyon again exposed as not being up to scratch in ODI.

Do you think Zampa would've been a better option?

Genuine question. As a leg spinner he looks more dangerous, but tends to bleed runs while Lyon's actually been quite economical in his stop-start ODI career.

I like Zampa but I don't think he's a better option than Lyon, Lyon needs to bowl in tandem with a tight pace bowler to try and force the batsman into taking risks.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby The Bedge » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:40 am

whufc wrote:Finch choked big time.

Had been great all tournament but under the pressure of a final fell back into old habits..

Actually he only made 11 from his last 3 innings.. so one might suggest form had already dipped.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby whufc » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:41 am

The Bedge wrote:
whufc wrote:Finch choked big time.

Had been great all tournament but under the pressure of a final fell back into old habits..

Actually he only made 11 from his last 3 innings.. so one might suggest form had already dipped.


There you go! Piss him off now, his been great but his time is up.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby The Bedge » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:44 am

The squad looked brittle from the outset, the changes for the semi were bewildering.. we shouldn’t have expected anything different.

Take out Warner & Carey’s efforts over the round robin games and we prob would’ve lost more than we won.

Pick on merit, to suit conditions but not on name.. I would’ve loved to see a genuine swing bowler included like Neser or Worrall.. an aggressive wicket taking leggy like Boyce (Zampa isn’t bad but doesn’t turn it), and love him or hate him Wade deserved a crack - he’s been the best bat in Australia for 18 months.

NCN & Stoinis were yuck selections, Maxwell barely ahead of those two.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:45 am

Booney wrote:
Armchair expert wrote:Seriously Handscomb is disgusting, I play against b grade scrubbers with better techniques


I tweeted exactly that last night.

Park cricketers all over Australia look at Handscomb and think "Nah mate, that's not going to work" and any bowler who can bend one in a bit looks at him and thinks "I've got one here".

How the **** does he get to that level playing like that? He's the most unconvincing international cricketer I've ever seen. It's an indictment on our whole national system.

Especially after Head and Wade have been in stellar form in the same format.

Plenty of holes to fill for next campaign, we mess around with the team too much and the balance was poo.

Furthermore, how do we suffer so many injuries? It's not football, I treated my body like shit and still managed 20 odd overs each Saturday, some days there was blood pissing out of multiple blisters on my feet, my back was sore and my big toe nail was floating around somewhere in my sock but I got through, these guys have so much conditioning and special diets yet they fall to pieces every couple of months, and they're friggin batsmen.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:45 am

whufc wrote:
The Bedge wrote:
whufc wrote:Finch choked big time.

Had been great all tournament but under the pressure of a final fell back into old habits..

Actually he only made 11 from his last 3 innings.. so one might suggest form had already dipped.


There you go! Piss him off now, his been great but his time is up.

He's never scored a run in a World Cup semi whilst being captain.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:46 am

The Bedge wrote:The squad looked brittle from the outset, the changes for the semi were bewildering.. we shouldn’t have expected anything different.

Take out Warner & Carey’s efforts over the round robin games and we prob would’ve lost more than we won.

Pick on merit, to suit conditions but not on name.. I would’ve loved to see a genuine swing bowler included like Neser or Worrall.. an aggressive wicket taking leggy like Boyce (Zampa isn’t bad but doesn’t turn it), and love him or hate him Wade deserved a crack - he’s been the best bat in Australia for 18 months.

NCN & Stoinis were yuck selections, Maxwell barely ahead of those two.

I can understand the love for Stoinis, he does have it in him, NCN gets a gig whenever he stops being broken though, it's crap.
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