Watson: Made of glass?

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Postby rod_rooster » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:49 pm

mal wrote:
The logic should be Symmonds or Hopes.


mal if Hopes plays Test cricket it would make a mockery of the game.
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Postby Max » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:31 am

I think Hodge is the forgotten man in all of this. I know Jaques has plenty of flair and is a quick scorer. But, if Harminson fires we could easily be 4 for bugger all early on a green top. A more correct and patient batsman at six might be the way to go. What has Hodge done wrong?
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Postby rod_rooster » Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:49 am

Max wrote:I think Hodge is the forgotten man in all of this. I know Jaques has plenty of flair and is a quick scorer. But, if Harminson fires we could easily be 4 for bugger all early on a green top. A more correct and patient batsman at six might be the way to go. What has Hodge done wrong?


Hasn't done much wrong but he just isn't in the same class as Jaques.
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Postby Aerie » Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:56 am

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mal wrote:Something I dont understand :?:
The selectors pick Watson to be the allrounder[good logic] because they want one.
If he does not play why is a batsman [Clark] taking his spot :?:
The logic should be Symmonds or Hopes.


I think the selectors consider Watson's batting to be at least equal, if not better, than the other batsman not in the Test team and the added fact that he can bowl nudges him ahead.


If the selectors think Watson's batting is the equal or better than the other batsmen not in the Test side then they need to check into rehab. Watson the equal or better as a batsman than Jaques, Hodge, North, Cosgrove, Lehmann etc. I don't think so.


He has a pretty impressive first class record, good technique etc. They opened him in the one-day games. I really do think they rate him very highly as a batsman.
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Postby blink » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:14 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:2 spinners at the Gabba? LMAO.

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REB, take a look at Shane Warne's figures at the Gabba compared to the "theoretically" more spin conducive wickets of Adelaide and Sydney - they suggest that 2 spinners definitely can play together. Couple that with England's apparent inability to play quality leg-spin, and you can see why playing two spinners is a very good idea.

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Gabba
Mat: 10
W: 64
BB: 8/71
Bwl Avg: 19.25

Adelaide Oval
Mat: 12
W: 51
BB: 6/80
Bwl Avg: 29.19

SCG
Mat: 13
W: 62
BB: 7/56
Avg: 27.54

I know others will try to shoot this down saying that, this is Warne, not MacGill or stats tell lies or look who the opponents were etc. but I thought I would give the figures anyway - and they do prove a point.
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Postby rod_rooster » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:21 pm

Aerie wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
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mal wrote:Something I dont understand :?:
The selectors pick Watson to be the allrounder[good logic] because they want one.
If he does not play why is a batsman [Clark] taking his spot :?:
The logic should be Symmonds or Hopes.


I think the selectors consider Watson's batting to be at least equal, if not better, than the other batsman not in the Test team and the added fact that he can bowl nudges him ahead.


If the selectors think Watson's batting is the equal or better than the other batsmen not in the Test side then they need to check into rehab. Watson the equal or better as a batsman than Jaques, Hodge, North, Cosgrove, Lehmann etc. I don't think so.


He has a pretty impressive first class record, good technique etc. They opened him in the one-day games. I really do think they rate him very highly as a batsman.


They well may rate him highly but they shouldn't.
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Postby am Bays » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:29 pm

When you look at Australia A series in July this year Australia As best batsman in terms of runs scored was Watson, followed by Birt, Jaques, Hodge and Cosgrove....

Watson got a double hundred and a hundred agaisnt the Pakistan, New Zealand and India A teams....
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Postby rod_rooster » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:32 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:When you look at Australia A series in July this year Australia As best batsman in terms of runs scored was Watson, followed by Birt, Jaques, Hodge and Cosgrove....

Watson got a double hundred and a hundred agaisnt the Pakistan, New Zealand and India A teams....


That doesn't make him a better batsman than any of those guys though.
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Postby am Bays » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:12 pm

Runs on the biard are THE selection currancy, especially whn he main selection rivals have the same opportunities against teh same bowlers..... :wink:

hey, I think Clarke is the best bet for #6 tomorrow and for the future but just pointing out the case that to a certain extent Watson has the runs on the board....
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:57 pm

I've never had a problem with selected Australian teams in the past, and always happy with the XI players representing Australia at ANY time. Go the Aussies!!!
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Postby rod_rooster » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:41 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:Runs on the biard are THE selection currancy, especially whn he main selection rivals have the same opportunities against teh same bowlers..... :wink:

hey, I think Clarke is the best bet for #6 tomorrow and for the future but just pointing out the case that to a certain extent Watson has the runs on the board....


I won't bother with a rant i'll merely ask do you think Watson is a better batsman than the others mentioned?
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Postby pipers » Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:29 pm

blink wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:2 spinners at the Gabba? LMAO.

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REB, take a look at Shane Warne's figures at the Gabba compared to the "theoretically" more spin conducive wickets of Adelaide and Sydney - they suggest that 2 spinners definitely can play together. Couple that with England's apparent inability to play quality leg-spin, and you can see why playing two spinners is a very good idea.


And MacGill took a bag at the Gabba some years back - 98/99 against the Poms I believe...
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