3rd Test: Australia v India

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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Punk Rooster » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:52 am

I think some of you guys need to relax on the "Tait is better than Johnson" carp- it screams of a typical south australian chip on the shoulder mentality.

One day Tait & Johnson will be our openers, until then, support both bowlers.

Yes, a slow over rate should be penalised by the formula of run rate x overs not bowled= x.
x then goes into the sundries column.

Also, some of the comments regarding Dravid leave me wondering whether some of you guys know cricket at all, or are just expecting every batsmen to go out & play Test cricket like 20-20...
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:56 am

My comments regarding Johnson bowling crap have nothing to do with Tait. Johnson has talent and a lot of potential but of late he has been bowling crap. Simple as that. Tait has nothing to do with it. For what it's worth Tait was also guilty of bowling crap yesterday.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Punk Rooster » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:02 am

rod_rooster wrote:My comments regarding Johnson bowling crap have nothing to do with Tait. Johnson has talent and a lot of potential but of late he has been bowling crap. Simple as that. Tait has nothing to do with it. For what it's worth Tait was also guilty of bowling crap yesterday.

All bowlers need time at Test level to mature- that's my point.
Give 'em both time, they will do a great job fro Australia
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby mal » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:30 am

SJABC wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
Booney wrote:Australia in front.Laxman and Dravid should be hauled over the coals for the manner of their dismissals in the last half hour of day 1.


which is a half hour that shouldnt even be played- the over rates are terrible yet the icc continue to do nothing about it- 84 overs in 6 and a half hours of cricket is pathetic.

every team in world cricket is guilty of this but nothing is ever done about it


=D> =D> =D> =D>

Piss weak effort in the over rate...BOTH teams this series have been jokes in that regard. Forget the other carp that's been going on, and get the teams to play the 90 overs....

Ponting erred IMO in not allowing Tait to bowl with the wind in his back early on. Tait...relex...and the wickets will come.

Australia just in fron. Will need to bowl India out well and truly by lunch....


PERSPECTIVE

second innings this test
lets not bowl one of TAIT or MJ or LEE or CLARK for the innings
lets bowl SYMONDS/CLARKE or HUSSEY
lets get the 90 overs in
lets give the batsman all the luxuries that modern cricket has afforded

?????????????
quite simply the game may never allow 4 quicks to bowl all day in Test Matches ?
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Dirko » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:41 am

MAL, I referred to this series, no 4 quicks at the MCG/SCG by either side.
They over rate done in both those games was not up to scratch either...
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby MAY-Z » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:48 am

mal wrote:
SJABC wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
Booney wrote:Australia in front.Laxman and Dravid should be hauled over the coals for the manner of their dismissals in the last half hour of day 1.


which is a half hour that shouldnt even be played- the over rates are terrible yet the icc continue to do nothing about it- 84 overs in 6 and a half hours of cricket is pathetic.

every team in world cricket is guilty of this but nothing is ever done about it


=D> =D> =D> =D>

Piss weak effort in the over rate...BOTH teams this series have been jokes in that regard. Forget the other carp that's been going on, and get the teams to play the 90 overs....

Ponting erred IMO in not allowing Tait to bowl with the wind in his back early on. Tait...relex...and the wickets will come.

Australia just in fron. Will need to bowl India out well and truly by lunch....


PERSPECTIVE

second innings this test
lets not bowl one of TAIT or MJ or LEE or CLARK for the innings
lets bowl SYMONDS/CLARKE or HUSSEY
lets get the 90 overs in
lets give the batsman all the luxuries that modern cricket has afforded

?????????????
quite simply the game may never allow 4 quicks to bowl all day in Test Matches ?


thats crap mal- how long does it take to bowl an over- not very long if they didnt put all the timewasting into play. if you cant bowl 15 overs an hour there is something very wrong- most shield teams get through 96 without any problems.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby am Bays » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:21 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
the wonder elephant wrote:do they still fine teams 4 slow overrates ? if they do its should be a big one otherwise its not worth it with all the money around in todays game.maybe they should think off a penalty in runs ie.for overs not bowled the batting side should be given runs at there scoring rate ..eg..yesterday aust bowled 84 overs 6 short ...india scored at 3.5 per over therefore penilise aust 21 runs for slow overate ....thoughts


i think that is on teh right line- runs will be the only way that teams will learn- although it would be more than what you have suggested there as at scheduled stumps they wouldve only bowled about 78 overs so it should be 12 overs of penalties


Agreed the over-rate from Australia yesterday was disgraceful, poor form IMHO
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby westcoastpanther » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:40 pm

Slow over rate is good for the Perth test, gives you more to watch after work with a coldie..... 8)
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Pup » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:40 pm

RoosterMarty wrote:Brilliant catch by Tait,


Pretty regulation
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby BIG SEXY » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:57 pm

westcoastpanther wrote:Slow over rate is good for the Perth test, gives you more to watch after work with a coldie..... 8)


i concur.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby mal » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:01 pm

MAY Z
crap is not the right word for my analysis
crap can be 2 things when put into real perspective
A comes out of my hole
B what I use to bowl in my cricket career

My analysis was from yesterdays play
Its almost impossible to bowl 4 quicks all day with a captain making regular field changes
thats all !

yes you can bowl 96 overs in the pura/cup
but if 4 fast bowlers bowled all day you get less overs than 3 quicks a spinner or a part timer.

This is perspective
We played 4 quicks and bowled 84 overs after over-time
coincidently we played 4 quicks
there was no WARNNNNNNNEY/MACGILL to bowl 15-30 overs
If SW/SM played we would have bowled an extra about 10 overs in the same time span

Its not rocket science lads, if its a maiden over
TAIT takes about 4 minutes to bowl an over
WARNE/MACGILL/HOGG/CLARK/HOLLAND/MAY/JENNER/MALLETT/BENAUD/GRIMMETT/ORIELLY/MAL/MAYZ
would bowl a maiden over in about 2 minutes

TAIT 15 OVERS = 60 MINUTES
OTHERS...........= 30 MINUTES

I agree the over -rate was slow and needs attention
the solution?
dont bowl LEE in the 2nd dig and bowl Michael CLARK instead
then we get the overs in
and then we get perspective
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby RustyCage » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:03 pm

South Africa dont have too much trouble bowling 90 overs with 4 quicks. Part of the problem is the batsmen having a drink brought out to them every second over. Another problem is Ponting isn't too quick at setting a field.

First ball of the day, hit on the shoulder. Gotta love Test cricket.

Dont bowl Lee, we dont get wickets. Even if the players put in a half arsed effort, they could take 25 seconds off every over.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Pup » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:30 pm

I like Pathan

He is energetic, You can see he wants to score runs, runs really hard between the wickets and forces his partner to go with him. Exactly what India need IMO. I hope he scores some runs.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Stumps » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:34 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
Booney wrote:Australia in front.Laxman and Dravid should be hauled over the coals for the manner of their dismissals in the last half hour of day 1.


which is a half hour that shouldnt even be played- the over rates are terrible yet the icc continue to do nothing about it- 84 overs in 6 and a half hours of cricket is pathetic.

every team in world cricket is guilty of this but nothing is ever done about it


One of the commentators during the West Indies v Sth Africa Test suggest a three match suspension for the offending skipper! Still, I don't buy the 'half an hour that shouldn't have been played' bit though. Most Test cricketers have learnt to ration out there concentration reserves for when it is required (i.e. When the ball is live) for 90 overs.

Another interesting comment was the diminishing level of concentration world wide by Test cricketers caused by One day and now 20 Twenty 'cricket'.

So who does have the power of concentration?

Hayden
Ponting
Hussey
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Bell
Collingwood
Chanderpaul
Kallis
Sangakarra
Jawayadenre ((!$%%#@!!!) great spelling....

Any others? That's not many in World Cricket is it?

It wasn't the over rate or additional time that caused those wickets to fall, only a momentary lapse of reason (There'll be no sleep in here tonight

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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:40 pm

Pup wrote:I like Pathan

He is energetic, You can see he wants to score runs, runs really hard between the wickets and forces his partner to go with him. Exactly what India need IMO. I hope he scores some runs.


I've always thought he was an excellent cricketer and i cannot understand why he didn't play the first two tests.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby mal » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:42 pm

rod_rooster wrote:
Pup wrote:I like Pathan

He is energetic, You can see he wants to score runs, runs really hard between the wickets and forces his partner to go with him. Exactly what India need IMO. I hope he scores some runs.


I've always thought he was an excellent cricketer and i cannot understand why he didn't play the first two tests.


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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Pup » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:01 pm

Dhoni out LBW from S.Clark

Looked to be going over the top again IMO. Have not shown any more replays which i find interesting.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby Pup » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:04 pm

After seeing the replay my thoughts are right IMO. Terrible decision IMO. Long way forward and still on the way up.

Clark drops Kumble then next ball Pathan LBW to Johnson.
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby mal » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:05 pm

DHONI LBA CLARK
Leg before Air
2nd shocker for India
bad decisions 2-2 this test

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PATHAN LBW
leg before wicket
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Re: 3rd Test: Australia v India

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Great catch from Rogers to dismiss Kumble.

The Indians are falling apart.
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