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Re: Australia V India

Postby Gozu » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:12 am

Khawaja is massively over-rated and IMO just isn't a Test cricketer. He and Hughes should both be the ones getting the chop.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby ORDoubleBlues » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:51 pm

Personally would like to see Mitchell Marsh blooded.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby Jim05 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:12 pm

ORDoubleBlues wrote:Personally would like to see Mitchell Marsh blooded.

Yep been saying it for ages. The kid will be a star
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Re: Australia V India

Postby CoverKing » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:57 pm

Jim05 wrote:
ORDoubleBlues wrote:Personally would like to see Mitchell Marsh blooded.

Yep been saying it for ages. The kid will be a star

Hasn't done enough with bat or ball yet IMO
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Re: Australia V India

Postby Media Park » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:59 pm

Love Mitch Marsh.... Agree with you on that...

He will be a star in the future.

Disagree on the timing... He is not ready yet... Steven Smith syndrome...
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Re: Australia V India

Postby CoverKing » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:22 pm

If cooper scores another ton in the next chairmans game, any chance he will be picked in the test side??
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Re: Australia V India

Postby The Dark Knight » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:37 pm

Media Park wrote:Love Mitch Marsh.... Agree with you on that...

He will be a star in the future.

Disagree on the timing... He is not ready yet... Steven Smith syndrome...

Agree with you on Marsh, absolute star of the future but isn't ready just yet.

But with Smith, what's happened to him? It's like he's fallen of the face of the earth or something, they were going on about him and how great he was a while back and now, nothing, haven't heard a peep.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby The Dark Knight » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:42 pm

CoverKing wrote:If cooper scores another ton in the next chairmans game, any chance he will be picked in the test side??

Nah not good enough and he can't play for he can't play for australia because he's Dutch ;) :) and he's a South Aussie, none of our boys get a look in with Nathan obviously being the exception BUT in saying that Cooper did come from NSW so you never know.

Christian's an ex NSW boy, only way he's get a look in. ;)
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Re: Australia V India

Postby Jim05 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:43 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:
Media Park wrote:Love Mitch Marsh.... Agree with you on that...

He will be a star in the future.

Disagree on the timing... He is not ready yet... Steven Smith syndrome...

Agree with you on Marsh, absolute star of the future but isn't ready just yet.

But with Smith, what's happened to him? It's like he's fallen of the face of the earth or something, they were going on about him and how great he was a while back and now, nothing, haven't heard a peep.

Ive been impressed with Smith this season at shield level. Has worked really hard on his batting and is batting in the top 4.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby The Dark Knight » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:46 pm

Jim05 wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
Media Park wrote:Love Mitch Marsh.... Agree with you on that...

He will be a star in the future.

Disagree on the timing... He is not ready yet... Steven Smith syndrome...

Agree with you on Marsh, absolute star of the future but isn't ready just yet.

But with Smith, what's happened to him? It's like he's fallen of the face of the earth or something, they were going on about him and how great he was a while back and now, nothing, haven't heard a peep.

Ive been impressed with Smith this season at shield level. Has worked really hard on his batting and is batting in the top 4.

Fair enough. The media aren't going on about him as much as they did then.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby rod_rooster » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:01 am

The Dark Knight wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
Media Park wrote:Love Mitch Marsh.... Agree with you on that...

He will be a star in the future.

Disagree on the timing... He is not ready yet... Steven Smith syndrome...

Agree with you on Marsh, absolute star of the future but isn't ready just yet.

But with Smith, what's happened to him? It's like he's fallen of the face of the earth or something, they were going on about him and how great he was a while back and now, nothing, haven't heard a peep.

Ive been impressed with Smith this season at shield level. Has worked really hard on his batting and is batting in the top 4.

Fair enough. The media aren't going on about him as much as they did then.


Steven Smith syndrome is not being picked when you are not ready, It's being picked when you are no good. The guy is probably worse than Cameron White with the ball and has done nothing to suggest he is as good as White with the bat. All in all a poor man's Cameron White. He's a wonderful fielder though.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:06 am

brad haddin will be removed from the test team after this series
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Re: Australia V India

Postby stan » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:43 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:brad haddin will be removed from the test team after this series


To be honest I think his time is up now, Wade looks ready to go, offers plenty with bat and his glove work is steady.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:47 am

stan wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:brad haddin will be removed from the test team after this series


To be honest I think his time is up now, Wade looks ready to go, offers plenty with bat and his glove work is steady.


i agree but they will give him this series as they will do with ponting and hussey - the farewell tour

i cant wait for young Matty to take over the keeping duties.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby Rik E Boy » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:54 pm

Gozu wrote:Khawaja is massively over-rated and IMO just isn't a Test cricketer. He and Hughes should both be the ones getting the chop.


Everyone said the same thing about Steve Waugh after half a dozen tests as well. Despite the lack of big scores, at least his technique is sound and unlike practically every other cricketer in Australia at the moment, he isn't 35 or held together with duct tape. I believe his big problem at this stage is a lack of confidence which is why he isn't as agressive with his running between wickets or as positive in attack or looking for more ones when the scoring dries up. And I don't reckon dropping him is going to correct that. Once he gets a good knock and a run of tests I believe he'll make it.

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Re: Australia V India

Postby Gozu » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:22 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Everyone said the same thing about Steve Waugh after half a dozen tests as well. Despite the lack of big scores, at least his technique is sound and unlike practically every other cricketer in Australia at the moment, he isn't 35 or held together with duct tape. I believe his big problem at this stage is a lack of confidence which is why he isn't as agressive with his running between wickets or as positive in attack or looking for more ones when the scoring dries up. And I don't reckon dropping him is going to correct that. Once he gets a good knock and a run of tests I believe he'll make it.

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What I can't handle with the Khawaja commentary is it seems to be held on the grounds he's destined for a long Test career. Where is the evidence for that? He shouldn't be getting more leniency than the other guys on the fringe just because he has a good technique (who cares what technique is like if you (a) can't score runs and (b) get out relatively cheaply all the time?) or because he's been anointed some sort of 'chosen one'.

He's played 6 Tests now and only has an average of 29 and FWIW his FC average is 45, we're not talking about some sort of freakish talent here.
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Re: Australia V India

Postby Jim05 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:50 pm

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Gozu wrote:Khawaja is massively over-rated and IMO just isn't a Test cricketer. He and Hughes should both be the ones getting the chop.


Everyone said the same thing about Steve Waugh after half a dozen tests as well. Despite the lack of big scores, at least his technique is sound and unlike practically every other cricketer in Australia at the moment, he isn't 35 or held together with duct tape. I believe his big problem at this stage is a lack of confidence which is why he isn't as agressive with his running between wickets or as positive in attack or looking for more ones when the scoring dries up. And I don't reckon dropping him is going to correct that. Once he gets a good knock and a run of tests I believe he'll make it.

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Re: Australia V India

Postby Rik E Boy » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:03 pm

Gozu wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:Everyone said the same thing about Steve Waugh after half a dozen tests as well. Despite the lack of big scores, at least his technique is sound and unlike practically every other cricketer in Australia at the moment, he isn't 35 or held together with duct tape. I believe his big problem at this stage is a lack of confidence which is why he isn't as agressive with his running between wickets or as positive in attack or looking for more ones when the scoring dries up. And I don't reckon dropping him is going to correct that. Once he gets a good knock and a run of tests I believe he'll make it.

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What I can't handle with the Khawaja commentary is it seems to be held on the grounds he's destined for a long Test career. Where is the evidence for that? He shouldn't be getting more leniency than the other guys on the fringe just because he has a good technique (who cares what technique is like if you (a) can't score runs and (b) get out relatively cheaply all the time?) or because he's been anointed some sort of 'chosen one'.

He's played 6 Tests now and only has an average of 29 and FWIW his FC average is 45, we're not talking about some sort of freakish talent here.


It's not about the commentary, it's about not throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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Re: Australia V India

Postby stan » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:49 pm

Gozu wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:Everyone said the same thing about Steve Waugh after half a dozen tests as well. Despite the lack of big scores, at least his technique is sound and unlike practically every other cricketer in Australia at the moment, he isn't 35 or held together with duct tape. I believe his big problem at this stage is a lack of confidence which is why he isn't as agressive with his running between wickets or as positive in attack or looking for more ones when the scoring dries up. And I don't reckon dropping him is going to correct that. Once he gets a good knock and a run of tests I believe he'll make it.

regards,

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What I can't handle with the Khawaja commentary is it seems to be held on the grounds he's destined for a long Test career. Where is the evidence for that? He shouldn't be getting more leniency than the other guys on the fringe just because he has a good technique (who cares what technique is like if you (a) can't score runs and (b) get out relatively cheaply all the time?) or because he's been anointed some sort of 'chosen one'.

He's played 6 Tests now and only has an average of 29 and FWIW his FC average is 45, we're not talking about some sort of freakish talent here.


He was never anointaed some sort of chosen one. He made some good runs at the FC level and while he has only had one score over 50 in his 6 tests, he has shown he has the ability to bat for long periods at test level. Ok he hasent gotten the runs yet, but I feel we can be confident that the runs will come and yes this is due to the fact that he has a good technique.

And lets talk about techniques, 47, 96 on pitches that have a bit of life to them.

Ok Khawaja is out of the side and we know Hughes is gone, so how do we now replace them with. Keeping in mind Watson has injured a calf and Marsh is not fit. And none of this Copper crap, he has made a couple of good scores and plenty of nothings.
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