Your team for the 1st Test v NZ

[Gozu]

This is a very unfair comment on MacGill. You are measuring Stewie against Warnie with this comment and Warnie was a freak. Legspinners often struggle for accuracy and while MacGill unlike Warne, bowled a lot of four balls but to call rubbish 'Stuart MacGill deliveries' is most unfair as MacGill is a very talented bowler who was never going to emerge from Warne's shadow. A fully fit McGill now is just what the doctor ordered for the Aussies.

My arse it is. When did I ever say I compare MacGill to Warne? One was a great spinner and the other was a pie chucker. Just about the only reason MacGill ever got wickets was from the batsman being in absolute disbelief to the rubbish being served up to them. I've lost count how many times I saw him get wickets from his waist high full tosses and his other stock delivery that pitches a good foot outside off stump. Sure every hundredth ball he bowled was a cracker.

Keep in mind he did very very well out of other international players not being familiar with his form of bowling. He used to get smacked around at first class level. While Boof may be one of the greatest players of spin we've ever seen he used to love playing NSW to pad his already ridiculous stats. When he lost the ability to bowl that one good ball every ten overs or so he'd get hammered as we saw last summer against Sri Lanka and earlier this year in the West Indies.

The only thing Warne and MacGill ever had in common was that they were both leg spinners. I shudder to think how worse we would've been beaten in India if MacGill was available.

[rod_rooster]

This is a very unfair comment on MacGill. You are measuring Stewie against Warnie with this comment and Warnie was a freak. Legspinners often struggle for accuracy and while MacGill unlike Warne, bowled a lot of four balls but to call rubbish 'Stuart MacGill deliveries' is most unfair as MacGill is a very talented bowler who was never going to emerge from Warne's shadow. A fully fit McGill now is just what the doctor ordered for the Aussies.

My arse it is. When did I ever say I compare MacGill to Warne? One was a great spinner and the other was a pie chucker. Just about the only reason MacGill ever got wickets was from the batsman being in absolute disbelief to the rubbish being served up to them. I've lost count how many times I saw him get wickets from his waist high full tosses and his other stock delivery that pitches a good foot outside off stump. Sure every hundredth ball he bowled was a cracker.

Keep in mind he did very very well out of other international players not being familiar with his form of bowling. He used to get smacked around at first class level. While Boof may be one of the greatest players of spin we've ever seen he used to love playing NSW to pad his already ridiculous stats. When he lost the ability to bowl that one good ball every ten overs or so he'd get hammered as we saw last summer against Sri Lanka and earlier this year in the West Indies.

The only thing Warne and MacGill ever had in common was that they were both leg spinners. I shudder to think how worse we would've been beaten in India if MacGill was available.

Gozu firstly your post is ridiculous. Saying MacGill was a pie chucker is laughable.

Secondly you are taking the whole thread off topic. Back to the WAG's please

[silicone skyline]

DING!

Graeme Smith’s bit-on-the-side, Minki van der Westhuizen

[RoosterMarty]

I think they may have split but she is sensational.

[Drop Bear]

DING!

Graeme Smith’s bit-on-the-side, Minki van der Westhuizen

Not bad for a Suth Afrikin.

[rod_rooster]

DING!

Graeme Smith’s bit-on-the-side, Minki van der Westhuizen

Not bad for a Suth Afrikin.

Not just a South African but a complete tosser as well. He's done very well all things considered.

[spell_check]

Sure every hundredth ball he bowled was a cracker.

Can you remember if any of these balls were wickets?

Not bad for a Suth Afrikin.

Yeah, she's not a dopey, hairy-backed sheila, for sure.

[Hazbeen]

Official Side from the Cricket Australia Web site

R.Ponting (c)
M.Clarke (vc) subject to fitness
S.Clark
B.Haddin
M.Hayden
M.Hussey
M.Johnson
S.Katich
J.Krejza
B.Lee
P.Siddle
A.Symonds
S.Watson

[Rik E Boy]

This is a very unfair comment on MacGill. You are measuring Stewie against Warnie with this comment and Warnie was a freak. Legspinners often struggle for accuracy and while MacGill unlike Warne, bowled a lot of four balls but to call rubbish 'Stuart MacGill deliveries' is most unfair as MacGill is a very talented bowler who was never going to emerge from Warne's shadow. A fully fit McGill now is just what the doctor ordered for the Aussies.

My arse it is. When did I ever say I compare MacGill to Warne? One was a great spinner and the other was a pie chucker. Just about the only reason MacGill ever got wickets was from the batsman being in absolute disbelief to the rubbish being served up to them. I've lost count how many times I saw him get wickets from his waist high full tosses and his other stock delivery that pitches a good foot outside off stump. Sure every hundredth ball he bowled was a cracker.

Keep in mind he did very very well out of other international players not being familiar with his form of bowling. He used to get smacked around at first class level. While Boof may be one of the greatest players of spin we've ever seen he used to love playing NSW to pad his already ridiculous stats. When he lost the ability to bowl that one good ball every ten overs or so he'd get hammered as we saw last summer against Sri Lanka and earlier this year in the West Indies.

The only thing Warne and MacGill ever had in common was that they were both leg spinners. I shudder to think how worse we would've been beaten in India if MacGill was available.

Every time MacGill is dissed it because he is no Shane Warne. You don't need to mention his name, it is a mute point. To claim 'who mentioned Warne' is disingenuous. If there is no Shane Warne SCG MacGill wouldn't have copped half of the flak that he has copped in over the years and even though Warnie is clearly the superior bowler MacGill actually has a better strike rate in tests (54.0 to 57.65).

Keep in mind that you are dissing MacGill because he got slapped by Darren Lehmann, one of the best players in the history of the Sheffield Shield. You are also summing up MacGill's worth when he was injured and past his prime in his last few series. When I said MacGill was what the doctor ordered in India I mean MacGill at his best. The fact that MacGill and Warne's careers were contemporary is MacGill's and Australia's misfortune. How soon some people forget MacGill's efforts in securing the Ashes when Warne was suspended from the International arena.

Your comment about MacGill's Domestic record just doesn't add up. SCG MacGill is 12th all time of Sheffield Shield wicket takers. He is the second highest ranking leg spin bowler after the legendary Clarrie Grimmett and he has taken more wickets than every SA bowler bar Ashley Mallett and Clarrie Grimmett again. Aparently all while he was getting "smacked around at first class level." MacGill's economy rate in the Sheffield Shield is 3.51. So if he is sending down so many 'meat pies' how come he's not going for a lot more in the best Domestic Competition in the World? If he only bowls an 'absolute cracker' every hundred deliveries why is his test strike rate better than Shane Warnes?

SCG MacGill
208 Test Wickets, Strike rate 54.0, Economy 3.22
328 Sheild Wickets, Strike rate 58.5, Economy 3.51

So according to your local dominance theory, MacGill's familiarity is costing him a massive .29 runs per over. What is taking players in the best domestic competition in the world so long to work out he's bowling meat pies? You started your post off by talking about your arse. I respectfully suggest you were talking out of it.

regards,

REB

[Media Park]

Official Side from the Cricket Australia Web site

R.Ponting (c)
M.Clarke (vc) subject to fitness
S.Clark
B.Haddin
M.Hayden
M.Hussey
M.Johnson
S.Katich
J.Krejza
B.Lee
P.Siddle
A.Symonds
S.Watson

ROY ROY ROY!!!!
Cricket Australia, thank you, I've now got wood!

[wycbloods]

This is a very unfair comment on MacGill. You are measuring Stewie against Warnie with this comment and Warnie was a freak. Legspinners often struggle for accuracy and while MacGill unlike Warne, bowled a lot of four balls but to call rubbish 'Stuart MacGill deliveries' is most unfair as MacGill is a very talented bowler who was never going to emerge from Warne's shadow. A fully fit McGill now is just what the doctor ordered for the Aussies.

My arse it is. When did I ever say I compare MacGill to Warne? One was a great spinner and the other was a pie chucker. Just about the only reason MacGill ever got wickets was from the batsman being in absolute disbelief to the rubbish being served up to them. I've lost count how many times I saw him get wickets from his waist high full tosses and his other stock delivery that pitches a good foot outside off stump. Sure every hundredth ball he bowled was a cracker.

Keep in mind he did very very well out of other international players not being familiar with his form of bowling. He used to get smacked around at first class level. While Boof may be one of the greatest players of spin we've ever seen he used to love playing NSW to pad his already ridiculous stats. When he lost the ability to bowl that one good ball every ten overs or so he'd get hammered as we saw last summer against Sri Lanka and earlier this year in the West Indies.

The only thing Warne and MacGill ever had in common was that they were both leg spinners. I shudder to think how worse we would've been beaten in India if MacGill was available.

Every time MacGill is dissed it because he is no Shane Warne. You don't need to mention his name, it is a mute point. To claim 'who mentioned Warne' is disingenuous. If there is no Shane Warne SCG MacGill wouldn't have copped half of the flak that he has copped in over the years and even though Warnie is clearly the superior bowler MacGill actually has a better strike rate in tests (54.0 to 57.65).

Keep in mind that you are dissing MacGill because he got slapped by Darren Lehmann, one of the best players in the history of the Sheffield Shield. You are also summing up MacGill's worth when he was injured and past his prime in his last few series. When I said MacGill was what the doctor ordered in India I mean MacGill at his best. The fact that MacGill and Warne's careers were contemporary is MacGill's and Australia's misfortune. How soon some people forget MacGill's efforts in securing the Ashes when Warne was suspended from the International arena.

Your comment about MacGill's Domestic record just doesn't add up. SCG MacGill is 12th all time of Sheffield Shield wicket takers. He is the second highest ranking leg spin bowler after the legendary Clarrie Grimmett and he has taken more wickets than every SA bowler bar Ashley Mallett and Clarrie Grimmett again. Aparently all while he was getting "smacked around at first class level." MacGill's economy rate in the Sheffield Shield is 3.51. So if he is sending down so many 'meat pies' how come he's not going for a lot more in the best Domestic Competition in the World? If he only bowls an 'absolute cracker' every hundred deliveries why is his test strike rate better than Shane Warnes?

SCG MacGill
208 Test Wickets, Strike rate 54.0, Economy 3.22
328 Sheild Wickets, Strike rate 58.5, Economy 3.51

So according to your local dominance theory, MacGill's familiarity is costing him a massive .29 runs per over. What is taking players in the best domestic competition in the world so long to work out he's bowling meat pies? You started your post off by talking about your arse. I respectfully suggest you were talking out of it.

regards,

REB

Good reading REB and a very good argument. Whilst he will never be compared to Warne as it is unfair he is probably one of the top 5 leggies of my generation(i am pretty young though).

[Media Park]

Whilst he will never be compared to Warne as it is unfair he is probably one of the top 5 leggies of my generation(i am pretty young though).

He IS compared with Warne...
He is not comparable with Warne, but he is compared...
Every day, in every conversation about the lack of spin bowling options in this country...

Having said that...

1. (Sir) S Warne

<daylight>

2. Clarrie Grimmett
3. Bill O'Reilly
And you can swap those two around...

<daylight>

4. (Sir) Richie...

Then probably...
5. SCG MacGill.

[wycbloods]

Whilst he will never be compared to Warne as it is unfair he is probably one of the top 5 leggies of my generation(i am pretty young though).

He IS compared with Warne...
He is not comparable with Warne, but he is compared...
Every day, in every conversation about the lack of spin bowling options in this country...

Having said that...

1. (Sir) S Warne

<daylight>

2. Clarrie Grimmett
3. Bill O'Reilly
And you can swap those two around...

<daylight>

4. (Sir) Richie...

Then probably...
5. SCG MacGill.

Good to see he makes the top 5 of your generation as well .

[Drop Bear]

He is not comparable with Warne, but he is compared...

Talking Warnie.

No talking MacGill.

Case closed.

[Rik E Boy]

He is not comparable with Warne, but he is compared...

Talking Warnie.

No talking MacGill.

Case closed.

LOL. Could you imagine a beer company sponsoring a talking wine buff?

regards,

REB

[Gozu]

Every time MacGill is dissed it because he is no Shane Warne. You don't need to mention his name, it is a mute point. To claim 'who mentioned Warne' is disingenuous. If there is no Shane Warne SCG MacGill wouldn't have copped half of the flak that he has copped in over the years and even though Warnie is clearly the superior bowler MacGill actually has a better strike rate in tests (54.0 to 57.65).

If there were no Shane Warne, MacGill's Test career would've ended a lot sooner than it did. Once international batsman would've become accustomed to the pies it would've been all over. Strike rate nice. How does that even go close to debunking what I said about all his pies and international batsman not being used to such inferior deliveries?

Keep in mind that you are dissing MacGill because he got slapped by Darren Lehmann, one of the best players in the history of the Sheffield Shield. You are also summing up MacGill's worth when he was injured and past his prime in his last few series. When I said MacGill was what the doctor ordered in India I mean MacGill at his best. The fact that MacGill and Warne's careers were contemporary is MacGill's and Australia's misfortune. How soon some people forget MacGill's efforts in securing the Ashes when Warne was suspended from the International arena.

I'm not dissing MacGill because he got smacked around by Boof. Boof used to smack Warne around too. I'm talking about at domestic level. You meant MacGill at his best? What is this all-time fantasy team stuff? On that note I would've preferred Warne in his prime then. I didn't forget his efforts against the Poms in that Ashes series. I was talking about his career.

Your comment about MacGill's Domestic record just doesn't add up. SCG MacGill is 12th all time of Sheffield Shield wicket takers. He is the second highest ranking leg spin bowler after the legendary Clarrie Grimmett and he has taken more wickets than every SA bowler bar Ashley Mallett and Clarrie Grimmett again. Aparently all while he was getting "smacked around at first class level." MacGill's economy rate in the Sheffield Shield is 3.51. So if he is sending down so many 'meat pies' how come he's not going for a lot more in the best Domestic Competition in the World? If he only bowls an 'absolute cracker' every hundred deliveries why is his test strike rate better than Shane Warnes?

SCG MacGill
208 Test Wickets, Strike rate 54.0, Economy 3.22
328 Sheild Wickets, Strike rate 58.5, Economy 3.51

So according to your local dominance theory, MacGill's familiarity is costing him a massive .29 runs per over. What is taking players in the best domestic competition in the world so long to work out he's bowling meat pies? You started your post off by talking about your arse. I respectfully suggest you were talking out of it.

It doesn't add up if you're into obfuscation. Where are MacGill's averages as opposed to the inferior strike rates?

Here's the numbers you conveniently left out:

MacGill in Test cricket for Australia: 208 wk @ 29
MacGill for New South Wales: 357 wk @ 33.1

There's a reason he had worse figures against inferior competion.

[brod]

This is a very unfair comment on MacGill. You are measuring Stewie against Warnie with this comment and Warnie was a freak. Legspinners often struggle for accuracy and while MacGill unlike Warne, bowled a lot of four balls but to call rubbish 'Stuart MacGill deliveries' is most unfair as MacGill is a very talented bowler who was never going to emerge from Warne's shadow. A fully fit McGill now is just what the doctor ordered for the Aussies.

My arse it is. When did I ever say I compare MacGill to Warne? One was a great spinner and the other was a pie chucker. Just about the only reason MacGill ever got wickets was from the batsman being in absolute disbelief to the rubbish being served up to them. I've lost count how many times I saw him get wickets from his waist high full tosses and his other stock delivery that pitches a good foot outside off stump. Sure every hundredth ball he bowled was a cracker.

Keep in mind he did very very well out of other international players not being familiar with his form of bowling. He used to get smacked around at first class level. While Boof may be one of the greatest players of spin we've ever seen he used to love playing NSW to pad his already ridiculous stats. When he lost the ability to bowl that one good ball every ten overs or so he'd get hammered as we saw last summer against Sri Lanka and earlier this year in the West Indies.

The only thing Warne and MacGill ever had in common was that they were both leg spinners. I shudder to think how worse we would've been beaten in India if MacGill was available.

Every time MacGill is dissed it because he is no Shane Warne. You don't need to mention his name, it is a mute point. To claim 'who mentioned Warne' is disingenuous. If there is no Shane Warne SCG MacGill wouldn't have copped half of the flak that he has copped in over the years and even though Warnie is clearly the superior bowler MacGill actually has a better strike rate in tests (54.0 to 57.65).

Keep in mind that you are dissing MacGill because he got slapped by Darren Lehmann, one of the best players in the history of the Sheffield Shield. You are also summing up MacGill's worth when he was injured and past his prime in his last few series. When I said MacGill was what the doctor ordered in India I mean MacGill at his best. The fact that MacGill and Warne's careers were contemporary is MacGill's and Australia's misfortune. How soon some people forget MacGill's efforts in securing the Ashes when Warne was suspended from the International arena.

Your comment about MacGill's Domestic record just doesn't add up. SCG MacGill is 12th all time of Sheffield Shield wicket takers. He is the second highest ranking leg spin bowler after the legendary Clarrie Grimmett and he has taken more wickets than every SA bowler bar Ashley Mallett and Clarrie Grimmett again. Aparently all while he was getting "smacked around at first class level." MacGill's economy rate in the Sheffield Shield is 3.51. So if he is sending down so many 'meat pies' how come he's not going for a lot more in the best Domestic Competition in the World? If he only bowls an 'absolute cracker' every hundred deliveries why is his test strike rate better than Shane Warnes?

SCG MacGill
208 Test Wickets, Strike rate 54.0, Economy 3.22
328 Sheild Wickets, Strike rate 58.5, Economy 3.51

So according to your local dominance theory, MacGill's familiarity is costing him a massive .29 runs per over. What is taking players in the best domestic competition in the world so long to work out he's bowling meat pies? You started your post off by talking about your arse. I respectfully suggest you were talking out of it.

regards,

REB

To quote someone Statistics are like ladies underwear what they reveal is telling but what they conceal is essential.

[Rik E Boy]

Every time MacGill is dissed it because he is no Shane Warne. You don't need to mention his name, it is a mute point. To claim 'who mentioned Warne' is disingenuous. If there is no Shane Warne SCG MacGill wouldn't have copped half of the flak that he has copped in over the years and even though Warnie is clearly the superior bowler MacGill actually has a better strike rate in tests (54.0 to 57.65).

If there were no Shane Warne, MacGill's Test career would've ended a lot sooner than it did. Once international batsman would've become accustomed to the pies it would've been all over. Strike rate nice. How does that even go close to debunking what I said about all his pies and international batsman not being used to such inferior deliveries?

Keep in mind that you are dissing MacGill because he got slapped by Darren Lehmann, one of the best players in the history of the Sheffield Shield. You are also summing up MacGill's worth when he was injured and past his prime in his last few series. When I said MacGill was what the doctor ordered in India I mean MacGill at his best. The fact that MacGill and Warne's careers were contemporary is MacGill's and Australia's misfortune. How soon some people forget MacGill's efforts in securing the Ashes when Warne was suspended from the International arena.

I'm not dissing MacGill because he got smacked around by Boof. Boof used to smack Warne around too. I'm talking about at domestic level. You meant MacGill at his best? What is this all-time fantasy team stuff? On that note I would've preferred Warne in his prime then. I didn't forget his efforts against the Poms in that Ashes series. I was talking about his career.

Your comment about MacGill's Domestic record just doesn't add up. SCG MacGill is 12th all time of Sheffield Shield wicket takers. He is the second highest ranking leg spin bowler after the legendary Clarrie Grimmett and he has taken more wickets than every SA bowler bar Ashley Mallett and Clarrie Grimmett again. Aparently all while he was getting "smacked around at first class level." MacGill's economy rate in the Sheffield Shield is 3.51. So if he is sending down so many 'meat pies' how come he's not going for a lot more in the best Domestic Competition in the World? If he only bowls an 'absolute cracker' every hundred deliveries why is his test strike rate better than Shane Warnes?

SCG MacGill
208 Test Wickets, Strike rate 54.0, Economy 3.22
328 Sheild Wickets, Strike rate 58.5, Economy 3.51

So according to your local dominance theory, MacGill's familiarity is costing him a massive .29 runs per over. What is taking players in the best domestic competition in the world so long to work out he's bowling meat pies? You started your post off by talking about your arse. I respectfully suggest you were talking out of it.

It doesn't add up if you're into obfuscation. Where are MacGill's averages as opposed to the inferior strike rates?

Here's the numbers you conveniently left out:

MacGill in Test cricket for Australia: 208 wk @ 29
MacGill for New South Wales: 357 wk @ 33.1

There's a reason he had worse figures against inferior competion.

No, if you're into obfuscation you completely dismiss total wickets and stike rates by presenting two very good sets of averages. If you aren't into obfuscation you can come up with 'logical' gems that can in no way be verified such as 'MacGill's career would have been shorter if Warne had not been around'. 4.1 runs a wicket, sheesh that's massive Goze, he's really been clobbered there. 565 wickets for the Blues and the Aussies...yeah, you're right you've convinced me...he's an absolute pie chucker.

regards,

REB