3RD O/D GAME NZ V AU 20/2/07

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Whose going to bowl the 5th lot 0f 10 bowlers if he does not

LAST 2 GAMES THE 5TH BOWLERS
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NZ 21 OVERS 1/200 APPROXIMATELY
WATSON 20 OVERS 5/146

Do me a favour go find out all his o/d games in the past
He took 4/39 one day apparently

He took 2/88 today everybody can have a very very bad day
Weigh it up over the whole 56 games he has played.

0/41 OFF [4] legside well spotted i saw that as well.

[Aerie]

I'm not a fan of Watson, but I think he does have a role to play in the side. Similar to Brad Hogg, there is no competition for his spot now the World Cup squad has been named. I very much doubt Symonds will bowl, even if he is passed fit to play (as a batsman) towards the end of the World Cup.

The only alternative is to play 5 front line bowlers and have just the 6 batsman. We miss an Andy Bichel type player to strengthen the tail which might allow us to do this. Would Hogg and Lee be good enough at number 7 and 8?

Mal is right in that we do need him to perform the role of 5th bowler and 7th batsman, but I agree with Rod_Rooster in that he's neither in our top 6 batsman or top 5 bowlers.

[mal]

I'm not a fan of Watson, but I think he does have a role to play in the side. Similar to Brad Hogg, there is no competition for his spot now the World Cup squad has been named. I very much doubt Symonds will bowl, even if he is passed fit to play (as a batsman) towards the end of the World Cup.

The only alternative is to play 5 front line bowlers and have just the 6 batsman. We miss an Andy Bichel type player to strengthen the tail which might allow us to do this. Would Hogg and Lee be good enough at number 7 and 8?

Mal is right in that we do need him to perform the role of 5th bowler and 7th batsman, but I agree with Rod_Rooster in that he's neither in our top 6 batsman or top 5 bowlers.

Thanks AERIE for being the 3rd umpire

ROD thats a good view from nuetral poster

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Whose going to bowl the 5th lot 0f 10 bowlers if he does not

LAST 2 GAMES THE 5TH BOWLERS
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NZ 21 OVERS 1/200 APPROXIMATELY
WATSON 20 OVERS 5/146

Do me a favour go find out all his o/d games in the past
He took 4/39 one day apparently

He took 2/88 today everybody can have a very very bad day
Weigh it up over the whole 56 games he has played.

0/41 OFF [4] legside well spotted i saw that as well.

SPOT ON. THATS WHERE THE ARGUMENT ENDS. WITHOUT SYMONDS HE MUST PLAY. EVEN WITH CLARKE WE WONT RELY ON JUST CLARKE TO BOWL 10.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Oh well, we lost some meaningless one day games. Big deal. I'm amazed by the media reaction to all of this. Anyone would think Australian cricket is on the skids, which of course it isn't. This side lacked Gilchrist, Ponting, Symonds and Lee, the backbone of the Aussie one day team. Is it any wonder they lose a few games?

The only problem Australia had in the Chappell-Hadlee series was that the attack is full of bowlers who are either on the way up or on the way down. They are also not pushing their batting enough in the middle overs. The fact that they continue to finish with 5-6 wickets in hand is evidence of that. You can't defend any total on those postage stamp grounds in NZ, as the 400 plus chase a couple of years ago testifies.

I couldn't care less that we lost those games, nobody is going to remember them anyway. I'll only worry if our Test team starts getting spanked.

[Stumps]

Proabably been mentioned previously but I cant believe they persist with finsishing an innings with bracken. He is definately in our best line up but should bowl 10 straight IMHO on most days while he is swinging it. Late in an innings he bowls far too many full tosses, they could end up on an another island during the world cup .. best finishing bowlers i think are tait and mcgrath , mcgrath can bowl good yorkers at the death and tait has the pace.

[scoob]

Oh well, we lost some meaningless one day games. Big deal. I'm amazed by the media reaction to all of this. Anyone would think Australian cricket is on the skids, which of course it isn't. This side lacked Gilchrist, Ponting, Symonds and Lee, the backbone of the Aussie one day team. Is it any wonder they lose a few games?

The only problem Australia had in the Chappell-Hadlee series was that the attack is full of bowlers who are either on the way up or on the way down. They are also not pushing their batting enough in the middle overs. The fact that they continue to finish with 5-6 wickets in hand is evidence of that. You can't defend any total on those postage stamp grounds in NZ, as the 400 plus chase a couple of years ago testifies.

I couldn't care less that we lost those games, nobody is going to remember them anyway. I'll only worry if our Test team starts getting spanked.

The thing that worries me is that in the last two games AU have made great scores, but the bowling has been woeful, bar maybe Lee none of the players mentioned above are going to contritube to the bowling, even Lee might be a bit suss... I DO think it is a bit of a worry when you cant defend big totals. In saying that I do think the games are meaningless.... but the poor AU bowling performances arent!

[rod_rooster]

sigh. I give up. Watson is not a good bowler end of story. His bowling simply is not up to international standard. He doesn't have the control, temperament or ability to perform with the ball at international level. On small grounds his will lose it because his bad balls (and they are a regular occurrence) will go for six more often than not. The fact that he is a 'required' player is a sad indictment on the available playing stocks Australia has.

Some think he is good most think he isn't. I have said all i will say on Shane Watson. The whole debate just gets me worked up and i don't need it.

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Rod please come up with an alternative to the 5th bowler.

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Lehmann
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5 frontline?
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IF NOT ITS WATSON

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Johnson also got thumped last night.

[rod_rooster]

Rod please come up with an alternative to the 5th bowler.

Hopes
Lehmann
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5 frontline?
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IF NOT ITS WATSON

I said i won't comment any further on this.

[scoob]

Rod please come up with an alternative to the 5th bowler.

Hopes
Lehmann
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5 frontline?
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IF NOT ITS WATSON

I said i won't comment any further on this.

Its very easy to criticise players, put your bullocks on the line and come up with an alternative...MAL has no trouble doing it...

[another grub]

What about MALs young lad from NSW that he loves .... put him in.....

[mal]

What about MALs young lad from NSW that he loves .... put him in.....

I was in SYDNEY in 1991
That kid would be only 15

[rod_rooster]

Rod please come up with an alternative to the 5th bowler.

Hopes
Lehmann
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5 frontline?
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IF NOT ITS WATSON

I said i won't comment any further on this.

Its very easy to criticise players, put your bullocks on the line and come up with an alternative...MAL has no trouble doing it...

Damned if i do damned if i don't. I said i wouldn't comment on this further. If i do then comment i'll get blasted for commenting after i said i wouldn't. If i don't i am told i'm not prepared to put my 'bullocks'? on the line.

[Blue Boy]

Has any one mentioned that we gave away about 30 extras to NZ's 5 ?????

This would be the reason why we lost me feels !!!

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come on Rod.

show some rod

what is ur alternative.

On form lehamnn is the best 5th bowler around.

him and symonds could do 10 overs well.

hayden
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symonds injured at the moment and u wouldnt go lehmann on his own

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sounds like pitches would suit him too


lehmann that is

[rod_rooster]

sounds like pitches would suit him too


lehmann that is

In an unrelated topic Michael Clarke will be fit for the World Cup and is the future of Australian cricket. He will bat at 4 ahead of Hodge. He bowls in much the same manner as Lehmann.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Not directly related to yesterday's match. If they must insist upon playing this damned stupid limited over stuff, how about playing them on a decent sized ground, and not these tin pot little grounds where miss-timed drives go for six. It's a joke watching the one-day stuff. Even the tiny grounds use roped off boundaries!!

Why not just do away with the bowlers all-together and use bowling machines. That way batsmen can tee off to their hearts desire, balls will just sail into crowd who can scream their heads off. The sixes came so often yesterday it became dreadfully boring.

I prefer a contest between bat and ball. One day crap just doesn't do it for me.