ANDREW FLINTOFF

[mal]

WESTOZ thats a big call HOGGARD instead of CLARK.

That's lunacy.

Back to the question...

Flintoff is probably third tier.

First is Sobers.

Second is Miller, Botham, Imran, Kapil Dev, Hadlee etc.

Third is Flintoff, Pollock and so on.

????And fourth tier = Watson/Hopes/White
Thought I would put that in before AH did.

There is also Jaques Kallis who would qualify as one of the great allrounders
Averages about 55 with bat
Averages about 35 with the ball ?
When he was bowling at his peak about 5 years ago he was the best allrounder in the world?

[westozfalcon]

Magpiespower + REB be gentle on Westoz he has only had 65 posts
Im prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt re: Hoggard + Clark
as he may be hungover from New Years Eve.
He will no doubt come to his senses and Post that he has made an error of judgement.
Or maybe he thought S. Clark was M Clarke ?[/quote]

Haha thanks mal. No I'm unwavered this time. Hoggard is a good bowler and has done pretty well on this tour for 13-odd wickets in the Tests. And, he's been bowling to much better batsmen than Stuart Clark has in this series!!

[Adelaide Hawk]

????And fourth tier = Watson/Hopes/White
Thought I would put that in before AH did.

....... so the fourth tier is the bottom one?

[rod_rooster]

Magpiespower + REB be gentle on Westoz he has only had 65 posts
Im prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt re: Hoggard + Clark
as he may be hungover from New Years Eve.
He will no doubt come to his senses and Post that he has made an error of judgement.
Or maybe he thought S. Clark was M Clarke ?

Haha thanks mal. No I'm unwavered this time. Hoggard is a good bowler and has done pretty well on this tour for 13-odd wickets in the Tests. And, he's been bowling to much better batsmen than Stuart Clark has in this series!!

Although i don't agree about having Hoggard in front of Clark you do make a very valid point that Hoggard has bowled to better batsmen.

I could also make the point that he has much more oppourtunity to take wickets cos no-one else in the English side is good enough to do so whereas Clark has guys like Warne, McGrath and Lee all taking wickets as well.

[mal]

Magpiespower + REB be gentle on Westoz he has only had 65 posts
Im prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt re: Hoggard + Clark
as he may be hungover from New Years Eve.
He will no doubt come to his senses and Post that he has made an error of judgement.
Or maybe he thought S. Clark was M Clarke ?

Haha thanks mal. No I'm unwavered this time. Hoggard is a good bowler and has done pretty well on this tour for 13-odd wickets in the Tests. And, he's been bowling to much better batsmen than Stuart Clark has in this series!![/quote]

Yes Hoggard does bowl to better batsman, nice comeback.