AUST V ENG 2nd test Adelaide.

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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:10 pm

another grub wrote:There is no doubt Giles has played his last test... bye bye Gilo!!


He'll play in Perth I reckon. Check this story out...unbelievable. Fletcher is an idiot.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/ashes2006-0 ... 89,00.html

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Postby Aerie » Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:15 pm

I would consider replacing Martyn with Jaques or Hodge and shifting Hussey to 4. I doubt it will happen though. Martyn will be given one more chance on his home deck.

I'd ring in big changes for England. Out of the side Giles, Jones and Anderson and in to the side Panesar, Read and a selection from left field ... Vaughan. If he can get through the academy match this week throw him in to the Third Test and bat him number 6. His leadership can make up for any runs he may not score. Collingwood and Pieterson can bowl the occasional overs and try to tie up one end and Flintoff can go back to just playing cricket, batting at number 7 and leading the bowling attack.

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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:36 pm

LOL. They can make 500, but can't bowl us out so your solution is to bring in an extra batsman and go in with one bowler less on a wicket that is reputed to be a road?? Hmmmm :?

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Postby rod_rooster » Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:53 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
another grub wrote:There is no doubt Giles has played his last test... bye bye Gilo!!


He'll play in Perth I reckon. Check this story out...unbelievable. Fletcher is an idiot.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/ashes2006-0 ... 89,00.html

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What a goose.
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Postby rod_rooster » Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:54 pm

Ah, the old double post. Who's the goose now :oops: :oops:
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Postby Aerie » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:12 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:LOL. They can make 500, but can't bowl us out so your solution is to bring in an extra batsman and go in with one bowler less on a wicket that is reputed to be a road?? Hmmmm :?

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I don't think the amount of bowlers is the difference. England went with Giles and Jones because they think they can bat better and the side is more balanced with 8 decent batsman. The side that I've picked keeps that balance. Anderson doesn't even look like getting a wicket out here. Collingwood could play the role of the 4th seamer if the 3 main bowlers need a rest. Pieterson can bowl some overs. They have plenty of options.
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Postby Max » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:36 pm

I think Australia will need an extra bowler in WA. Tait or Johnson in for Martyn... Does anyone else think Marto's shot reminded them of his stinker the first time he got dropped after playing South Africa in Sydney?

England should play two spinners. Anderson out. That will be the only change to the side...
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Postby blink » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:39 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Fletcher is an idiot.



Big Dunc Fletcher has also come out and said that Warnie's batting (49) was more significant to the outcome of the match than his bowling?!? WTF! The wickets of Pietersen & Strauss were what turned the match our way...

Trying to cover his a55 over his decision of playing Giles over Monty by saying that Warnie's wickets weren't crucial to the match.
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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:41 pm

The amount of bowlers does make a difference (but the five they have clearly aren't quality at the moment that's for sure). Keven Pieterson has taken one test wicket in his career and Paul Collingwood has taken one test wicket outside of England in his career. Your England side would get 700 scored against it and remember that Vaughan's knees are dodgy as, I don't ever think he will be a force in Test Cricket again. My knees are shite and I had to give the game away because of that but I never had to back up the day after a ninety over stint in the field because the selectors decided to go with four bowlers on a dead track that has given up multiple double centuries already this season.

Having Flintoff in the side gives England the opportunity to select five bowlers and this advantage won them the Ashes last year and had the Australian selectors scurrying to Symonds and Watson. The problem England has is that Harmison and Anderson are ineffective. If they bring in Monty and Mahmood they have an attack that is more capable of taking wickets. Of course the amount of bowlers makes a difference, all the more difference if they are quality like Simon Jones and Harmison on his home decks.

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Postby blink » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:48 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Simon Jones



He is the difference between the results of this and the 2005 series - slot him into this team and you would find that the result (maybe not so much in Brisbane, but yesterday especially) would be very, very different.
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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:50 pm

Max wrote:I think Australia will need an extra bowler in WA. Tait or Johnson in for Martyn... Does anyone else think Marto's shot reminded them of his stinker the first time he got dropped after playing South Africa in Sydney?

England should play two spinners. Anderson out. That will be the only change to the side...


That won't happen Maxie. I reckon what we need is a better game plan for Collingwood, not an extra bowler. You get past Bell, Collingwood and Pieterson and they're gone, although I reckon Strauss will eventually outscore Bell for the series as Warne will attack Bell's middle stump a lot more from now on.

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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:53 pm

blink wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:Simon Jones



He is the difference between the results of this and the 2005 series - slot him into this team and you would find that the result (maybe not so much in Brisbane, but yesterday especially) would be very, very different.


As I said many months ago :wink:

http://safootycentral.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2695

It's nice to be right for a change :!:

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Postby mal » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:59 pm

MAHMOOD must play
He bowls 140km
He bats reasonably well for a tailender
He must replace ANDERSON 2/300 + in the series.
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Postby matt » Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:45 pm

Max wrote:
England should play two spinners. Anderson out.


who to replace Giles then?
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Postby mal » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:01 pm

matt wrote:
Max wrote:
England should play two spinners. Anderson out.


who to replace Giles then?


Someone who can catch and take more than 10 wickets in an ashes series.

Im not sure if Monty can catch but would take about 20 wickets in a series.

Or replace Giles with Vaughan, a better fielder, a better batsman and about
the same as a bowler.

Maybe Giles should take the new ball and get some reverse SPIN and turn one :roll:
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Postby Max » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:03 pm

I would like to see England develop a right-arm off spinner to counter the left handers in the Australian side. Ideally that would be the second spinner. As it stands at the moment, I think they are stuck with Giles. I don't think Anderson is up to the task...
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Postby mal » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:13 pm

BREAKING NEWS

Michael VAUGHAN who made a duck last week for the English Academy
has improved his chances for a recall for the 3rd Test in Perth.
In his 2nd game for the Academy VAUGHAN made 9 runs.
Seeing he is not making runs and rarely takes wickets he would be a perfect
replacement for Ashley GILES.
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Postby rod_rooster » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:20 am

mal wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Michael VAUGHAN who made a duck last week for the English Academy
has improved his chances for a recall for the 3rd Test in Perth.
In his 2nd game for the Academy VAUGHAN made 9 runs.
Seeing he is not making runs and rarely takes wickets he would be a perfect
replacement for Ashley GILES.


Lol. He can catch though so might struggle to oust Giles.
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Postby am Bays » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:27 am

Christ REB you are making so much sense it is scaring me......

You're spot about everything though...

Five bowlers aren't the answer, quality bowlers who can bowl to a plan are...
England is missing S Jones.....(I bet they wish it was G Jones with the dodgy knee)
We need a better plan to Collingwood and the one you articulated makes perfect sense...
The Gascoigne Hwy that has been transported into the WACA will produce a draw too unless England have another brain fade again (here's hoping!!)
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Postby RustyCage » Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:21 am

mal wrote:MAHMOOD must play
He bowls 140km
He bats reasonably well for a tailender
He must replace ANDERSON 2/300 + in the series.


In the SA v ENG game Mahmood did nothing but bowl pies. I'd be very surprised if he got a Test match this series. If he did, it would be because there is no one else, not because he deserves it.
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