3rd Test: Australia v India

[smithy]

Rogers will never be a long term successful test cricketer
He has no shots for this level

Bit harsh Mal, but then again he may never get the chance.
If Hayden returns for the next match and plays for another 1-2 years, Rogers could be overtaken by someone else anyway.

[gadj1976]

Ok, let me qualify - Katich will never open for Australia IN TEST MATCHES. Sorry I had to be more specific seeing as we were speaking about test matches. Geez guys, come on.

It's not a massive difference in age, but Rogers IS an opener, Katich IS NOT. I would've thought that was the major difference.

If Katich was starring as an opener in one dayers, he wouldn't have been replaced.

Note to self : Why am I having this conversation again?

Because we are 2/64 and Katich is averaging over a hundred in Pura Cup Cricket this season. Katich has a great technique that would be suited to opening and if you're good enough your young enough. I agree with you on one thing though, they won't select the Kat to open.

regards,

REB

yep, Kat could be averaging 5000in Pura Cup, but he still is not an opener (just like Watson!)

I disagree somewhat about technique. I think he's awkward to bowl to and disrupts the bowlers line rather than having a good technique.

[mal]

Rogers will never be a long term successful test cricketer
He has no shots for this level

This is easily your worst ever post.

regards,

REB

Cant be my worst, hes already failed twice already.
He is suspect against spin.
And good international attacks will get him out cheaply too often.

The difference between Jaques + Rogers is when both get set Jaques.
can score quickly, whereas Rogers grinds.
In Test cricket if you dont have some strong scoring shots you will struggle.

He is 30 years old, and might not get an opportunity until Haydo retires
or if Jaques loses form
So he will be about 32 by then [ as Smithy says as well ]
Poor investment

[gadj1976]

Rogers will never be a long term successful test cricketer
He has no shots for this level

This is easily your worst ever post.

regards,

REB

Cant be my worst, hes already failed twice already.
He is suspect against spin.
And good international attacks will get him out cheaply too often.

The difference between Jaques + Rogers is when both get set Jaques.
can score quickly, whereas Rogers grinds.
In Test cricket if you dont have some strong scoring shots you will struggle.

He is 30 years old, and might not get an opportunity until Haydo retires
or if Jaques loses form
So he will be about 32 by then [ as Smithy says as well ]
Poor investment

Rahul Dravid is a grafter.....

[mal]

Rahul Dravid was not a 30 year old starting test cricket
If Rogers was 25 I could accept he should be given opportunities

[Rik E Boy]

In Test cricket if you dont have some strong scoring shots you will struggle.

He is 30 years old, and might not get an opportunity until Haydo retires
or if Jaques loses form
So he will be about 32 by then [ as Smithy says as well ]
Poor investment

1. Some names for you

Geoff Boycott
Bill Lawry
Bill Woodfull
Raul Dravid (you now call him Drearyvid. Should he now be dropped because he doesn't have shots LOL)


Champions all. None of them in the Viv Richards or Gilly mould but genuine test stars. A slower scoring rate does not automaticaly preclude a batsman from having a successfull test career.

2. We're not talking about AFL football here. Batsmen mature later than running midfielders. 30 is not exactly 'put em out to pasture' time when we are discussing first class cricketers. The following Australian cricketers have been dropped before returning to the side at such a venerable age.

Steve Waugh
Justin Langer
Matty Hayden
Mark Waugh
Damien Martyn
Micheal Slater

As you can see, not being an instant or even enduring success first time round does not automatically preclude a batsman from having a successful test career.

mal IMPERSONATION TIME

"Tait will never be a successful long term Test Cricketer as he can't land the ball on the wicket and is already starting to rack up the injuries"

You should be able to pick out the flaws in logic just as many of us have picked out your logic flaws in your assessment in Rogers.

HE HAS PLAYED TWO TEST INNINGS MY FRIEND

some perspective please my good man.

regards,

REB

[GWW]

I'm not going to write Rogers off completely either, but i've got my doubts that he'll have a long term test career.

[Rik E Boy]

You'd have to have doubts surrounding Rogers on what he has shown but jeez writing a bloke off after one test?? I just reckon mally's cracked the 5hits because the openers have stuffed up and we might lose the test.

I reckon Rogers might actually feel a bit worse than mal tonight though

regards,

REB

[smithy]

REB - You wrote Hodge off after he scored a double ton....LMAO...

[Rik E Boy]

REB - You wrote Hodge off after he scored a double ton....LMAO...

And I was right LOL. Bring on a spinner and he's toast. South Africa doesn't have any spinners do they Mr Smith?

Curse you and your excellent memory ha ha.

regards,

REB

[mal]

HODGE
_______________
Test average 58-60
has scored a double century
a better cricketer than ROGERS

DRAVID
AVE 55 tests
this tour

05...66 balls
16...114
53....160
38....103
93....183
O3....05

208 RUNS
AVE 34-66
BALLS FACED 631

Was one of the worlds greatest batsmen
Now a shadow of his former self
Has had plenty of luck with missed catches this tour
If this was the Dravid of old he would have made 400 + runs with that luck
If anyone knows Rahul ask him if hes happy with his form ?

ROGERS
Gets picked as there are no other openers performing in the Pura Cup.
Good at Pura Cup level but in racing terms up in class.

[tedbullpit]

You'd have to have doubts surrounding Rogers on what he has shown but jeez writing a bloke off after one test?? I just reckon mally's cracked the 5hits because the openers have stuffed up and we might lose the test.

I reckon Rogers might actually feel a bit worse than mal tonight though

regards,

REB

agree REB. Seem to remember Haydens first few tests in South Africa back in the 'Give Matt & Bat' days. He hardly set the world on fire. Give Rogers a chance. Very early days. Ponting, Hussey & Jacques haven't exactly had great tests either and then there's Michael Clarke. They've worked him out. His lack of footwork to anything on a good length outside off stump has been exposed. Unless he can rectify this the guy is finished.

[Pup]

then there's Michael Clarke. They've worked him out. His lack of footwork to anything on a good length outside off stump has been exposed. Unless he can rectify this the guy is finished.

Please.

Once again people over reacting to one bad test. The last test was the only test this summer that he has scored under double figures (yes he did it twice) Before that his scores 20, 73, 71 and 145*. So before this test he was averaging 62. Hardly what i would call a ordinary series..?

Sharma bowled him a very very good ball to dismiss him in the first innings. Why are you not calling for Punters head considering his form is worse and seems to be getting dismissed in the same areas.?

[GWW]

In a broader sense i think we're seeing a few batting deficiencies of late that indicate that our batting strength since the late 80's (i think the tour of England in 89 was a turning point) could be about to wane somewhat in the next few years. Not saying we'll completely struggle but there are some bad signs.

[mal]

ROGERS

I have not actually said deprive him of opportunities
Just maintain that I think he wont make the grade at test level
I base that on what Ive seen at P/Cup level
He is an accumalator of runs at that level and I feel its gunna be even harder at Test Level
Most successful long term test players have a great abilty in a facet of thier game.
I will use REBS list.

S WAUGH one of the best back foot cutters of all time.
LANGER his cover drives and square slashes brlliant.
M WAUGH signature leg side clips through midwicket.
HAYDEN brilliant front foot driver.
MARTYN who can forget his cover drives.
SLATER punished any thing loose as a rule.
all these guys were young guys who had time to re ignite thier careers after being dropped.

ROGERS ??? I have not seen a shot he plays that will make him a good test player.
He has a good defensive technique but that ALONE aint gunna make him a good test player.

LANGER is a classic example.
As a grafter he didnt make the grade in his early test years.
BUT he was a kid when he started and worth a shot.
Several years later he played aggressively and as a 30 + year old dominated.

MATURE AGE PLAYERS
Australia cant expect to debut 30+ year olds of the calibre of CLARK + HUSSEY all the time
These 2 might be freaks of nature HUSSEY 80 WITH THE BAT...CLARK 19 WITH THE BALL
The next batch of 30+ year olds could be flops

[Hondo]

Rogers got fired in the first innings and so far this test has had a lot of mates struggling so too early to call his test prospects IMO. If he can't make it based on this test performance then neither can Jacques. But whether or not he can make it well I think we will have to wait until Haydos retires to find out

I think it was correct to pick an opener and I think Perth was the perfect opportunity (with a 2-0 series) to give Rogers a crack on his home ground. A one off game is ideal for testing someone new because then they arguably have less pressure on them.

Katich was found wanting by good swing bowling in England he would have been similarly at sea in this test probably. The Kat will have to earn his stripes back in the middle order if he is ever to play for Aust again.

We have to face it - in the post Warnie, etc days we don't have the same long list of alternative test-quality players we used to.

[Stumps]

then there's Michael Clarke. They've worked him out. His lack of footwork to anything on a good length outside off stump has been exposed. Unless he can rectify this the guy is finished.

Please.

Once again people over reacting to one bad test. The last test was the only test this summer that he has scored under double figures (yes he did it twice) Before that his scores 20, 73, 71 and 145*. So before this test he was averaging 62. Hardly what i would call a ordinary series..?

Sharma bowled him a very very good ball to dismiss him in the first innings. Why are you not calling for Punters head considering his form is worse and seems to be getting dismissed in the same areas.?

wasnt that good a ball pup- a big shot once again- wasnt there to drive, just like the first ball wasnt there to cut off kumble in sydney nor the wide drive of RP singh in mebourne. Hel sort it out though youd think- needs to play another innings like he did in adelaide in the ashes- slow watchful start while hes getting himself in, then accelerate and show us what hes got later- im sure hes not far away. hopefully todays his day

[mal]

IN 6/184
CLARKE AND SYMONDS bowling
Am I missing something ?
Dont tell me they are trying to catch up on the over rate ?
4 wickets to go what the...


IN $1-70
AU $2-52
DR $28

One strike bowler at least is the logic

All is revealed
The Symonds /Clarke bowling in tamden that went on and on and on and on and on and on
Ponting was afraid of suspension and wanted to speed up the over -rate

[mal]

Australia in front.Laxman and Dravid should be hauled over the coals for the manner of their dismissals in the last half hour of day 1.

which is a half hour that shouldnt even be played- the over rates are terrible yet the icc continue to do nothing about it- 84 overs in 6 and a half hours of cricket is pathetic.

every team in world cricket is guilty of this but nothing is ever done about it

Piss weak effort in the over rate...BOTH teams this series have been jokes in that regard. Forget the other carp that's been going on, and get the teams to play the 90 overs....

Ponting erred IMO in not allowing Tait to bowl with the wind in his back early on. Tait...relex...and the wickets will come.

Australia just in fron. Will need to bowl India out well and truly by lunch....

PERSPECTIVE

second innings this test
lets not bowl one of TAIT or MJ or LEE or CLARK for the innings
lets bowl SYMONDS/CLARKE or HUSSEY
lets get the 90 overs in
lets give the batsman all the luxuries that modern cricket has afforded

?????????????
quite simply the game may never allow 4 quicks to bowl all day in Test Matches ?

PERSPECTIVE
AND IT HAPPENED

[sasquatch]

On the Rogers issue...

What was Hussey's results in his first Test, dudes?