Over rated cricketers

[Rik E Boy]

Whether Hodge opened his gob up or not has nothing to do with the fact that YOU said he wasn't up to test standard after hitting a double ton.
If you think Hauritz is our best slow bowling option at the moment, and his record is average at best, do you think it might be better playing a younger more attacking spin bowler ?

He is the best available at the moment. Who is this young spin genius who you think should be elevated to the Test Team? I don't think Hodge was or is Test standard. Yeah he did get a good score but he was dropped on **** all in that innings and took advantage. His subsequent appearances for Australia showed that, unlike Hauritz, he was not improving.

Your Hodge analogy is a false one to use in the Hauritz scenario as Horrie doesn't have three or four bowlers ahead of him. He's just taken a five wicket haul and you still aren't happy. He is starting to improve his variation and is starting to finally get the ball to turn and you want him gone?

FFS.

regards,

REB

[smithy]

REB - You're forgetting a few things here.
I said he was over rated and didn't deserve selection in the 1st place.
You rate him, I don't, simple.
You say he's just starting to turn the ball, at 28 I'm glad he's a fast learner.
I never said I wanted him dropped, I'm amazed he was even selected, and I'm still yet to get a decent reason as to why.

[rod_rooster]

Whether Hodge opened his gob up or not has nothing to do with the fact that YOU said he wasn't up to test standard after hitting a double ton.
If you think Hauritz is our best slow bowling option at the moment, and his record is average at best, do you think it might be better playing a younger more attacking spin bowler ?

Why would it be better to play a younger more attacking spin bowler if they would just get smashed and not be able to do the job asked of them? At least with Hauritz his limitations are known and he does the job asked of him. Sure he's not great but he is the best option Australia has at the moment and as REB says he keeps improving. He is not as good of a cricketer as Hodge but unlike Hodge there aren't several players that can play his role better than he can floating around.

[mal]

I think Nathan Hauritz is underated

When we talk about over rated cricketers we should focus on the guys that should be better

Hauritz has exceeded my expectations of him
I used to call him the classical straightbreaker
I think heez done a good job on pitches that are not spinning a great deal these days

I was a Adelaide oval with a group of lads
Haurie was hit over the fence 4 times by Shaun Tait
Heez come a long way since that day

[Rik E Boy]

REB - You're forgetting a few things here.
I said he was over rated and didn't deserve selection in the 1st place.
You rate him, I don't, simple.
You say he's just starting to turn the ball, at 28 I'm glad he's a fast learner.
I never said I wanted him dropped, I'm amazed he was even selected, and I'm still yet to get a decent reason as to why.

I never used to rate Hauritz, I merely think that credit should be given where credit is due. As I have stated three times now he was the best available option and boy we sure did look at a few. Surely if he is the best available option then that would count as a decent reason to select the bloke? I was amazed he was selected as well when the Kiwis were out here last year but the guy is getting better and learning more by playing in different conditions against better opposition.

regards,

REB

[Adelaide Hawk]

Hauritz is there, he deserves to be there, and he has done his bit for Australia. Why people want to keep knocking him is anyone's guess.

Eggsactly. Now bring back the footy season so we can get back to arguing ha ha.

regards,

REB

Can either of you two redleggers please tell me how Hauritz deserves to be in the test team ?

This coming from a man, who after an Australian scored a test double hundred claimed he wasn't "test standard".

Be delighted to. He got his chance, and although he hasn't set the world on fire, hasn't done a lot wrong either. Selectors have obviously seen something in him that yourself, and to a lesser degree myself can see. I'm not the greatest Hauritz fan, but I'm not going to knock a guy giving everything he has. He just took a bag of 5 in a Test match ... wish I'd done that

[spell_check]

This coming from a man, who after an Australian scored a test double hundred claimed he wasn't "test standard".

what's Dizzy got to do with it?

Nothing mate, this could get into a confusing conversation between 4 men all getting their haircut at once .

That's why I decided to retreat from the conversation while I was behind...a long way behind.

[mal]

AUSTRALIAN TEST SPINNERS

HAURITZ
41/1295
31-58 AVE
S/R 64-14

NORTH
6/364
60-66 AVE
S/R 126.5

MAY
75/2606
34-71 AVE
S/R 87-69

MALLETT
132/3940
29-84 AVE
S/R 75-68

[brod]

Whats with the random 4 MAL?

[Gozu]

Hauritz - Only just recently taken more 1st class wickets than Marcus North and only his 1st 5for on the last test.
Hardly good enough stats from a late 20 year old who can't make his shield side, till he moved to NSW and got his baggy green.

He got his baggy green while playing for Queensland.

[mal]

What Smithy might be inferring
Hauritz was over-rated when he was FIRST selected to play for AU

[smithy]

Hauritz - Only just recently taken more 1st class wickets than Marcus North and only his 1st 5for on the last test.
Hardly good enough stats from a late 20 year old who can't make his shield side, till he moved to NSW and got his baggy green.

He got his baggy green while playing for Queensland.

And got dumped because he wasn't good enough.
Years later, a struggling shield player moves to NSW and presto, off to test cricket.
And read above when describing Casson also.

[Gozu]

And got dumped because he wasn't good enough.

Just like Shane Warne.

Years later, a struggling shield player moves to NSW and presto, off to test cricket.
And read above when describing Casson also.

Took him about 3 years with NSW before getting back into the Test side and keep in mind since Warne's retirement we've used MacGill, Hogg, Casson, White, Krejza & McGain too.

[Gozu]

Our last two Test series:

Ashes series vs England:

Hauritz-10wk @ 32.10
North-4wk @ 51.00

Series vs West Indies:

Hauritz-11wk @ 33
North-0/62

[smithy]

Our last two Test series:

Ashes series vs England:

Hauritz-10wk @ 32.10
North-4wk @ 51.00

Series vs West Indies:

Hauritz-11wk @ 33
North-0/62

Please, I was comparing the 2 players over all 1st class record.
Hauritz has only just overtaken North's wicket tally.
I'm not saying North is a better bowler, but why not post both players 1st class bowling stats and we'll see how bad Hauritz really is if you all think that North is such a bad bowler.

[smithy]

And got dumped because he wasn't good enough.

Just like Shane Warne.

You gonna compare Warney and Hauritz ? Put Bradman in as well please, he got dumped as well.
Can you honestly see Hauritz doing anything near what those blokes did?

[Gozu]

Please, I was comparing the 2 players over all 1st class record.
Hauritz has only just overtaken North's wicket tally.
I'm not saying North is a better bowler, but why not post both players 1st class bowling stats and we'll see how bad Hauritz really is if you all think that North is such a bad bowler.

I posted Hauritz's stats since he got back in the Test side, hasn't put a foot wrong and that's not even including his bag in the 1st Test against Pakistan. I don't give a stuff about their FC records we're talking about the real stuff here.

If you want to work yourself into a lather over FC records go and compare Darren Lehmann's FC record vs that of Michael Clarke especially before Clarke made his Test debut. That's more of a credible exmaple of pro-NSW bias than Nathan Hauritz being our 76th spinner since Warne retired.

[Gozu]

And got dumped because he wasn't good enough.

Just like Shane Warne.

You gonna compare Warney and Hauritz ? Put Bradman in as well please, he got dumped as well.
Can you honestly see Hauritz doing anything near what those blokes did?

No I'm not comparing Warne & Hauritz. I was just pointing out to you that sometimes even the greats get dropped early in their careers, means jack. And no, I can't see Hauritz doing anything close to what warne did

[smithy]

If you want to work yourself into a lather over FC records go and compare Darren Lehmann's FC record vs that of Michael Clarke especially before Clarke made his Test debut. That's more of a credible exmaple of pro-NSW bias than Nathan Hauritz being our 76th spinner since Warne retired.

Now that's another story.
Clarkes NSW shield record hardly warranted test selection, I agree.
From memory it was mid 30's when he was selected.
How many arguments can I cope with on one forum?

[rod_rooster]

FFS, can anyone actually suggest a better option than Hauritz? If not this whole argument is ridiculous. He is limited but has improved and is doing a good job. Krezja is genuinely sh*thouse, Smith would get absolutely smashed at the moment and who else is there? Bailey and Cullen are crap, Heal and Holland are both ordinary. Am i missing someone? Ah, yes Cameron Shite If there isn't anyone else Hauritz is by far aand away the best option we have so get used to it.

If only Stuart MacGill was born 10 years later...............