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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:54 am

mal wrote:With 6 overs to go Barath bowled an over of staright breaks
So in effect there were 36 balls left for the speciallist bowlers

I almost barracked for the WI to win this test after the media tore them to pieces
For almost 5 days they gave it there best shot and gave up with time remaining

GAYLE piss poor

PONTING very happy to call it off


Only 5 down and two batsmen that looked pretty set, maybe the bowlers were tired or had niggles that he didn't want to worsen, there wasn't going to be a result and his Caruba may have been getting warm. There comes a time when you look around, weigh up your options and say "Let's go and have a drink", He obviously done that and came to that conclusion. Gayle had been on the field for 3 and a half days, give him a break.
We were the losers out of this test, we should've come out more attacking, altered the batting line up slightly and had a red-hot go, too much emphasis on "not losing", even if we lost trying we should have the confidence to redeem ourselves next test.
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:03 am

Of course we were the losers in this test.

We are playing one specialist opening batsman.
Two of our older players look like their best cricket is behind them.
The guy who is supposed to be leading the attack can't use the new ball.
We copped yet another injury to one of our bowlers.
Our best slow bowler lacks penetration.
Our captain allowed Chris Gayle to spend the fourth day bunting the ball down the ground for singles.

The mind boggles as to what our attack will look like if Siddle and the Hilf can't play in Perth. Surely if Siddle misses they have to play Clark ahead of McKay?

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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:05 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:We were the losers out of this test, we should've come out more attacking, altered the batting line up slightly and had a red-hot go, too much emphasis on "not losing", even if we lost trying we should have the confidence to redeem ourselves next test.


We should have come out more attacking on the fourth day. Ponting's fields were ridiculous, Gayle must have been thinking it was his birthday. Try and get the guy out, there's a plan. I think it was Pup who said Ponting was one of the best captains the Aussies have had but I just don't see it.

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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:08 am

Rik E Boy wrote:Of course we were the losers in this test.

We are playing one specialist opening batsman.
Two of our older players look like their best cricket is behind them.
The guy who is supposed to be leading the attack can't use the new ball.
We copped yet another injury to one of our bowlers.
Our best slow bowler lacks penetration.
Our captain allowed Chris Gayle to spend the fourth day bunting the ball down the ground for singles.

The mind boggles as to what our attack will look like if Siddle and the Hilf can't play in Perth. Surely if Siddle misses they have to play Clark ahead of McKay?

regards,

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Seeing as we only have one specialist opening batsman I don't think we would've lost anything by opening with Mitch in the 2nd dig, he didn't bat anyway and we if we needed to rely on him getting us over the line batting at 8 we were going to be in some serious poo.
To save an argument, I think Haddin is a bit too valuable to try him as a pinch hitter at the top, nevertheless, he should've batted above North, Clark and probably Hussey.
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:10 am

Rik E Boy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:We were the losers out of this test, we should've come out more attacking, altered the batting line up slightly and had a red-hot go, too much emphasis on "not losing", even if we lost trying we should have the confidence to redeem ourselves next test.


We should have come out more attacking on the fourth day. Ponting's fields were ridiculous, Gayle must have been thinking it was his birthday. Try and get the guy out, there's a plan. I think it was Pup who said Ponting was one of the best captains the Aussies have had but I just don't see it.

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I had cricket on saturday and sunday, I didn't see a ball for the whole test. Maybe he buys more rounds than what Tugger or Tubby used to for Pup to say that.
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby mal » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:12 am

No way AU were the losers in this Test
To concede the opposition 451 batting first
To be playing catch up cricket throughout
To possibly have the worst of the batting conditions batting last
To be almost 1 bowler short in the 3rd innings

Being 1-0 up with one test remaining means AU will retain the Worrall/Watson trophy
This draw guarentees we cannot lose the series or the trophy, which AU has held for about 15 years

Given the circumstances had AU been in the box seat and in a similar postion as the WI were Im sure AU would have nailed the WI

As for walking off for early for a drink , these are International cricketers not a group of pot bellied mates playing division 28 in a hard wicket comp
They should like the 300 Spartans did, fight bravely to the end and if unsuccessful be judged on that
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:25 am

mal wrote:No way AU were the losers in this Test
To concede the opposition 451 batting first


Depends on if you judge a win/loss in this situation on just this series, or where Australia is positioned in world cricket.
If you look at the former, we did okay. If you look at the latter - it means we lost, as it doesn't look good for us returning to the top spot.

We lost as soon as we allowed the opposition to score 451.
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:38 am

mal wrote:No way AU were the losers in this Test
To concede the opposition 451 batting first
To be playing catch up cricket throughout
To possibly have the worst of the batting conditions batting last
To be almost 1 bowler short in the 3rd innings

Being 1-0 up with one test remaining means AU will retain the Worrall/Watson trophy
This draw guarentees we cannot lose the series or the trophy, which AU has held for about 15 years

Given the circumstances had AU been in the box seat and in a similar postion as the WI were Im sure AU would have nailed the WI

As for walking off for early for a drink , these are International cricketers not a group of pot bellied mates playing division 28 in a hard wicket comp
They should like the 300 Spartans did, fight bravely to the end and if unsuccessful be judged on that


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Na, the aussies weren't the losers in this test :roll: :roll:
It has nothing to do with being div. 28 pot bellied players, it is common sense and player preservation, what if someone done a hammy with 2 overs to go in a dead situation.
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby MAY-Z » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:43 am

jackpot jim wrote:
MAY-Z wrote: once again adelaide has been dealt up a terrible cricket wicket which gave the bowlers nothing on any day. good for batting but that was it. i cant remebe rthe last time we had a wicket at adelaide that gave the bowlers any encouragement at all - no wonder our state bowlers struggle


So we wait until 5 days have past, see the result of an EXCELLENT Test match is a DRAW and then we BAG Les Burdett for serving up a TERRIBLE wicket ?????????? :roll: [-X [-X
Give me a F**KING break.


when was teh last time the bowlers had a genuine chance at adelaide oval - i can think of the 2000 series against india when there was some early seam movement but since then they have been batting paradises. if australias bowling attack hadnt been so good over the last 10 years we wouldve had a lot more draws in adelaide tests.
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby silicone skyline » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:50 am

MAY-Z wrote:
jackpot jim wrote:
MAY-Z wrote: once again adelaide has been dealt up a terrible cricket wicket which gave the bowlers nothing on any day. good for batting but that was it. i cant remebe rthe last time we had a wicket at adelaide that gave the bowlers any encouragement at all - no wonder our state bowlers struggle


So we wait until 5 days have past, see the result of an EXCELLENT Test match is a DRAW and then we BAG Les Burdett for serving up a TERRIBLE wicket ?????????? :roll: [-X [-X
Give me a F**KING break.


when was teh last time the bowlers had a genuine chance at adelaide oval - i can think of the 2000 series against india when there was some early seam movement but since then they have been batting paradises. if australias bowling attack hadnt been so good over the last 10 years we wouldve had a lot more draws in adelaide tests.


I wonder what the stats would say re: a result at Adelaide.

I thought both teams had a chance to win the game, which made it a good deck IMO
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby mal » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:51 am

Order in the court
The Prosecution calls Lightning Mcqueen to the stand

"" Mr Mcqueen did Australia have any possible chance of winning with 30 balls remaining?"
"'NO""
"" Mr Mcqueen did the WI have a remote chance of winning with 30 balls remaining?"
"" THEY
" Answer the question Mr Muqueen did the WI have the remote chance of winning?"
"" BUT THE WI

The Judge intervenes
"" Mr Mcqueen please answer the question."

"YES BUT"
"Thats all Mr Mcqueen, The prosecution rests


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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Pup » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:55 am

Rik E Boy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:We were the losers out of this test, we should've come out more attacking, altered the batting line up slightly and had a red-hot go, too much emphasis on "not losing", even if we lost trying we should have the confidence to redeem ourselves next test.


We should have come out more attacking on the fourth day. Ponting's fields were ridiculous, Gayle must have been thinking it was his birthday. Try and get the guy out, there's a plan. I think it was Pup who said Ponting was one of the best captains the Aussies have had but I just don't see it.

regards,

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Lightning McQueen wrote:I had cricket on saturday and sunday, I didn't see a ball for the whole test. Maybe he buys more rounds than what Tugger or Tubby used to for Pup to say that.


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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:55 am

Typical lawyer - putting words in his mouth. ;)
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:56 am

mal wrote:Order in the court
The Prosecution calls Lightning Mcqueen to the stand

"" Mr Mcqueen did Australia have any possible chance of winning with 30 balls remaining?"
"'NO""
"" Mr Mcqueen did the WI have a remote chance of winning with 30 balls remaining?"
"" THEY
" Answer the question Mr Muqueen did the WI have the remote chance of winning?"
"" BUT THE WI

The Judge intervenes
"" Mr Mcqueen please answer the question."

"YES BUT"
"Thats all Mr Mcqueen, The prosecution rests


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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:57 am

Pup wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:We were the losers out of this test, we should've come out more attacking, altered the batting line up slightly and had a red-hot go, too much emphasis on "not losing", even if we lost trying we should have the confidence to redeem ourselves next test.


We should have come out more attacking on the fourth day. Ponting's fields were ridiculous, Gayle must have been thinking it was his birthday. Try and get the guy out, there's a plan. I think it was Pup who said Ponting was one of the best captains the Aussies have had but I just don't see it.

regards,

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Lightning McQueen wrote:I had cricket on saturday and sunday, I didn't see a ball for the whole test. Maybe he buys more rounds than what Tugger or Tubby used to for Pup to say that.


Not me REB.


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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby mal » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:02 am

MAY-Z wrote:
jackpot jim wrote:
MAY-Z wrote: once again adelaide has been dealt up a terrible cricket wicket which gave the bowlers nothing on any day. good for batting but that was it. i cant remebe rthe last time we had a wicket at adelaide that gave the bowlers any encouragement at all - no wonder our state bowlers struggle


So we wait until 5 days have past, see the result of an EXCELLENT Test match is a DRAW and then we BAG Les Burdett for serving up a TERRIBLE wicket ?????????? :roll: [-X [-X
Give me a F**KING break.


when was teh last time the bowlers had a genuine chance at adelaide oval - i can think of the 2000 series against india when there was some early seam movement but since then they have been batting paradises. if australias bowling attack hadnt been so good over the last 10 years we wouldve had a lot more draws in adelaide tests.



Good points raised by MAYZ
How many more draws would have resulted at Adelaide Oval if not for these guys OOHAHH/WARNEY/DIZZY/BINGA

My summation of the pitch is that it is lopsided
A good pitch should be an even contest throughout
Adelaide oval is aroad for 3 days giving the bowlers little assistance
The last 2 days it gets slower and lower and gives the bowlers a better chance

What Les Burdett should do is play a SS game on it, cover it until the next test game and give everybody a chance

Until something is done, theres no point watching the first 3 days
In this test I enjoyed watching the last 2 days[until the inglorious departure with 30 balls remaining]
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby mal » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:06 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
mal wrote:With 6 overs to go Barath bowled an over of staright breaks
So in effect there were 36 balls left for the speciallist bowlers

I almost barracked for the WI to win this test after the media tore them to pieces
For almost 5 days they gave it there best shot and gave up with time remaining

GAYLE piss poor

PONTING very happy to call it off


Only 5 down and two batsmen that looked pretty set, maybe the bowlers were tired or had niggles that he didn't want to worsen, there wasn't going to be a result and his Caruba may have been getting warm. There comes a time when you look around, weigh up your options and say "Let's go and have a drink", He obviously done that and came to that conclusion. Gayle had been on the field for 3 and a half days, give him a break.
We were the losers out of this test, we should've come out more attacking, altered the batting line up slightly and had a red-hot go, too much emphasis on "not losing", even if we lost trying we should have the confidence to redeem ourselves next test.



You di-sect things too much, you are summising why they left the ground.

But then again your a realist as the 2 skippers and you all agree with the walk off
Im the theorist who ponders what might have happened
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:58 am

On the Beagle, somewhere in the Pacific?
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Re: Second test - Aus v West Indies

Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:36 pm

Pup wrote:Not me REB.


Sorry Pup. That's why I said 'I think it was Pup'. Now THAT'S Lawyer talk. :lol:

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