Over rated cricketers

[smithy]

All I said was that nathan Hauritz was over-rated

[Adelaide Hawk]

FFS, can anyone actually suggest a better option than Hauritz? If not this whole argument is ridiculous. He is limited but has improved and is doing a good job. Krezja is genuinely sh*thouse, Smith would get absolutely smashed at the moment and who else is there? Bailey and Cullen are crap, Heal and Holland are both ordinary. Am i missing someone? Ah, yes Cameron Shite If there isn't anyone else Hauritz is by far aand away the best option we have so get used to it.

If only Stuart MacGill was born 10 years later...............

I agree with most of that, except I wouldn't say Bailey is crap. He has been treated poorly by selectors over the past couple of years, and when he does play he gets some wickets. Took 8 wickets in the final game last season after carrying the drinks all season, takes 11 wickets in a tiral game this season, and then misses out on the 1st game this year. Puzzling.

Like all leggies, he needs a lot of bowling, and he's not getting it. Who'd be a spinner anyway? The moment a blade of grass is potted that is slightly green, they are replaced by a pedestrian medium crap bowler.

My stance has always been there is way too much emphasis on winning the Sheffield Shield, and not enough on developing future Test players.

[spell_check]

FFS, can anyone actually suggest a better option than Hauritz? If not this whole argument is ridiculous. He is limited but has improved and is doing a good job. Krezja is genuinely sh*thouse, Smith would get absolutely smashed at the moment and who else is there? Bailey and Cullen are crap, Heal and Holland are both ordinary. Am i missing someone? Ah, yes Cameron Shite If there isn't anyone else Hauritz is by far aand away the best option we have so get used to it.

If only Stuart MacGill was born 10 years later...............

Xavier Doherty.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Xavier Doherty?

[Hondo]

Phil Hughes?

[Punk Rooster]

FFS, can anyone actually suggest a better option than Hauritz? If not this whole argument is ridiculous. He is limited but has improved and is doing a good job. Krezja is genuinely sh*thouse, Smith would get absolutely smashed at the moment and who else is there? Bailey and Cullen are crap, Heal and Holland are both ordinary. Am i missing someone? Ah, yes Cameron Shite If there isn't anyone else Hauritz is by far aand away the best option we have so get used to it.

If only Stuart MacGill was born 10 years later...............

if only Shane Warne was cloned repeatedly every 10 years....

[aceman]

Marcus North, can't make a run or hold a catch, NFGIMO!

[arcadefire]

Marcus North is rubbish only a slightly better batsmen than Manou

[wycbloods]

Marcus North is rubbish only a slightly better batsmen than Manou

Yep there first class records are so similar .

[rod_rooster]

Marcus North is rubbish only a slightly better batsmen than Manou

Oh dear The guy is far from rubbish. Perhaps he has lost form at the wrong time and perhaps he might not forge a long Test career but he has made 3 more Test hundreds than most people and also has his Baggy Green (which he earned fair and square with the more that 10000 first class runs he has made).

Manou you have a crack at as well. All he's ever done is keep wicket very well and particularly last season battted very well. He deserved his spot as backup keeper in England and deserved to get the Baggy Green. The best "keeper" to play a Test match for Australia since Ian Healy and i doubt Gilchrist would have any objections to that. Why does Manou cop so much ctritisism when he is clearly one of the best players in the state?

[mal]

Why does Manou cop a lotta shit ?
Rodney everyone will agree with you that he is a very very good gloveman
But he bats in front of speciallist batsman in too many forms of Domestic cricket games for SA
He has a reasonable record batting 6 + 7 for a keeper batter
But his batting at positions 1-4 have been ordinary in the various games[especially this season]
He continues to make sMALl scores batting in place of speciallist batters + thats why he cops it

He made 190 odd v TA not so long ago in a SS match
Batting at 6 or 7 that day, where he bats reasonably well, and at the beat value for his team ion my opinion

Batting 4 in 50 over games NO
Batting opening in 20 over games NO
Batting 6 in the SS team , acceptable YES

Is he also batting high to have an opportunity to make runs becoz all the other Domestic keepers are making runs ?

I hope not

[CoverKing]

Overrated he probably is not, except with MAL, because he is not rated by many forum members, but Ronchi is no good at all! Nothing but a hack who is also a backstopper IMO.

Altho i would like to have achieved what he has already in terms of his cricketing career

[rod_rooster]

Why does Manou cop a lotta **** ?
Rodney everyone will agree with you that he is a very very good gloveman
But he bats in front of speciallist batsman in too many forms of Domestic cricket games for SA
He has a reasonable record batting 6 + 7 for a keeper batter
But his batting at positions 1-4 have been ordinary in the various games[especially this season]
He continues to make sMALl scores batting in place of speciallist batters + thats why he cops it

He made 190 odd v TA not so long ago in a SS match
Batting at 6 or 7 that day, where he bats reasonably well, and at the beat value for his team ion my opinion

Batting 4 in 50 over games NO
Batting opening in 20 over games NO
Batting 6 in the SS team , acceptable YES

Is he also batting high to have an opportunity to make runs becoz all the other Domestic keepers are making runs ?

I hope not

I'll disregard the point about him opening in 20 over games to start with as i couldn't care less. Not sure why that would be a problem though as whoever bats in any position is trying to hit everything for 6 anyway and i'd suggest Manou would be more suited with the ball coming on.

Who exactly are the specialist batsmen he is batting ahead of in the Sheffield Shield?

In the 50 over game i'd argue he is attempting to use himself to add some agression. You don't always put your best batsmen in order in a batting lineup. Sometimes it's worth taking a risk and sacrificing someone. Manou might be woking on that theory. It might also be worth thinking that Manou isn't the only person making the decision. I can't really see that he is running a dictatorship where his and only his opinion is recognised. Maybe he and the others who are letting it happen think it's the right thing to do based on what they know being close to the side.

[mal]

No probs batting 6 SS as he has allrounders batting behind him OBREIN, CHRISTAIN

Batting 4 in o/d games
He has batted in front of Cooper and Borgas in some games

Batting opener in 20/20
Bats in front of too many speciallist batters

He has made no sizeable contributions batting 1-4 this season
I , and others feel the best value for the team is to bat him 6-7-8 in shorter games

He will eventually play a cracker of an innings batting high up, but intersected with far too many low scores at this stage

[rod_rooster]

No probs batting 6 SS as he has allrounders batting behind him OBREIN, CHRISTAIN

Batting 4 in o/d games
He has batted in front of Cooper and Borgas in some games

Batting opener in 20/20
Bats in front of too many speciallist batters

He has made no sizeable contributions batting 1-4 this season
I , and others feel the best value for the team is to bat him 6-7-8 in shorter games

He will eventually play a cracker of an innings batting high up, but intersected with far too many low scores at this stage

As i said i can't see what the problem with him batting at 6 in the Sheffield Shield side is. If in the FR Cup games he is batting too high what are the credentials and recent scores from those below him? In the 20/20 crap please go to the Other Sports forum.

[catchisthecry]

20/20 crap please go to the Other Sports forum.

No probs batting 6 SS as he has allrounders batting behind him OBREIN, CHRISTAIN

Batting 4 in o/d games
He has batted in front of Cooper and Borgas in some games

Batting opener in 20/20
Bats in front of too many speciallist batters

He has made no sizeable contributions batting 1-4 this season
I , and others feel the best value for the team is to bat him 6-7-8 in shorter games

He will eventually play a cracker of an innings batting high up, but intersected with far too many low scores at this stage

As i said i can't see what the problem with him batting at 6 in the Sheffield Shield side is. If in the FR Cup games he is batting too high what are the credentials and recent scores from those below him? In the 20/20 crap please go to the Other Sports forum.

You are going to be a miserable cricket fan mate. Get used to T20 or find another sport. It's only gonna get bigger!
Fantastic atmosphere Tuesday night at Adel Oval!!
Compared to the shield game I went to a few weeks ago where there would have been 85 people there
Manou is either trying to compete with Paine, Wade, Hartley etc.. who are having good seasons with the bat, or maybe he is scared of the late order chase in T20 cricket??

[rod_rooster]

20/20 crap please go to the Other Sports forum.

No probs batting 6 SS as he has allrounders batting behind him OBREIN, CHRISTAIN

Batting 4 in o/d games
He has batted in front of Cooper and Borgas in some games

Batting opener in 20/20
Bats in front of too many speciallist batters

He has made no sizeable contributions batting 1-4 this season
I , and others feel the best value for the team is to bat him 6-7-8 in shorter games

He will eventually play a cracker of an innings batting high up, but intersected with far too many low scores at this stage

As i said i can't see what the problem with him batting at 6 in the Sheffield Shield side is. If in the FR Cup games he is batting too high what are the credentials and recent scores from those below him? In the 20/20 crap please go to the Other Sports forum.

You are going to be a miserable cricket fan mate. Get used to T20 or find another sport. It's only gonna get bigger!
Fantastic atmosphere Tuesday night at Adel Oval!!
Compared to the shield game I went to a few weeks ago where there would have been 85 people there
Manou is either trying to compete with Paine, Wade, Hartley etc.. who are having good seasons with the bat, or maybe he is scared of the late order chase in T20 cricket??

I am not going to be a miserable cricket fan at all as I will watch cricket and disregard the farce that is 20/20. I don't like it so I don't watch it. There is plenty of Test cricket to keep me enjoying the game. As for finding another sport I'd argue that's what people have done who watch 20/20's. It's just not cricket IMHO but if you enjoy it (and many people do) then good for you.

As for Manou, I was only talking about where he bats in the Sheffield Shield and Ford Ranger Cup. No-one has provided me with evidence that those he bats ahead of are better credentialed than he is. 20/20 I couldn't care less so I'll leave that debate to those that do.

[CoverKing]

RR i agree with where your coming from but especially with the Franger, he has batted infront of Cooper and Borgas, aswell as the attacking Christian who is batting at 8

I was not the biggest fan of Borgas at first, but jeeze he has come on in the last year. His ODD form has been pretty damn good. Him and Cooper should both be batting ahead of him at the very least. Harris, Klinger, Cooper, Cosgrove, Borgas, Manou at the very least IMO.

Cant get stats on Borgas and Cooper but im positive they will back up what i think.

[interested observer]

Why does Manou cop a lotta **** ?
Rodney everyone will agree with you that he is a very very good gloveman
But he bats in front of speciallist batsman in too many forms of Domestic cricket games for SA
He has a reasonable record batting 6 + 7 for a keeper batter
But his batting at positions 1-4 have been ordinary in the various games[especially this season]
He continues to make sMALl scores batting in place of speciallist batters + thats why he cops it

He made 190 odd v TA not so long ago in a SS match
Batting at 6 or 7 that day, where he bats reasonably well, and at the beat value for his team ion my opinion

Batting 4 in 50 over games NO
Batting opening in 20 over games NO
Batting 6 in the SS team , acceptable YES

Is he also batting high to have an opportunity to make runs becoz all the other Domestic keepers are making runs ?

I hope not

Absolutely he is...
Gilchrist ( past ), Haddin, Paine..
So how do the Redbacks selectors allow their Captain to make clearly, selfish decisions, that are purely based on him and not the best interests of the team...
Agree, great gloveman, but give up on trying to be something he is not.....

[redandblack]

Only just caught up with this. I've watched Hauritz and there's no doubt he's improving a lot. His flight and control is now very much better as he's learning the art of spin bowling at a top level.

Gozu makes a good point about Lehmann and NSW bias. There's no doubt, apparent time and time again, that promotion is vastly easier if you're in the NSW team. The latest is Smith. He might be a good player later (let's hope he is), but it's far too soon to be talking about him as a Test spinner. Let him take some wickets (correction, A wicket) first.