Over rated cricketers

[The Sleeping Giant]

Only just caught up with this. I've watched Hauritz and there's no doubt he's improving a lot. His flight and control is now very much better as he's learning the art of spin bowling at a top level.

Gozu makes a good point about Lehmann and NSW bias. There's no doubt, apparent time and time again, that promotion is vastly easier if you're in the NSW team. The latest is Smith. He might be a good player later (let's hope he is), but it's far too soon to be talking about him as a Test spinner. Let him take some wickets (correction, A wicket) first.

Wasn't there a bias against picking South Australian batsman for International cricket because they made the majority of their runs at Adelaide Oval. Wasn't that one of the reasons Lehman went to Victoria?

[Hondo]

Wasn't there a bias against picking South Australian batsman for International cricket because they made the majority of their runs at Adelaide Oval. Wasn't that one of the reasons Lehman went to Victoria?

That + a lot of money IIRC

Ironically, that Vic stint seemed to set his Australian career back. He had made 12th man for Australia in 1989-90 I recall and then moved to Vic for the 1990-91 season. I think the pitches over there weren't as good and his high scoring from 1987-1990 in Adelaide slowed down despite Victoria winning the 90-91 shield. By the time he returned to SA it seemed that he had slipped behind the likes of Bevan, Blewett, Martyn and Langer.

After that I think it was more of a bias against Lehmann himself than SA players. A bias partly to do with perceptions about his fitness levels.

IMO if he was given just 1/2 the repeated opportunities offered to Hayden, Langer and Blewett then he could have played twice as many tests as he did.

[redandblack]

I agree with both of you.

SLG, you're right about the Adelaide Oval thing. When we did play at Adelaide Oval and there was a spot, they still didn't pick Lehmann. When they eventually and belatedly did, he was always in the position of having to play for his spot, thus negating the main part of his game - a natural, free-scoring player.

[Rik E Boy]

All I said was that nathan Hauritz was over-rated

All everyone else has said is that you were wrong.

regards,

REB

[smithy]

All I said was that nathan Hauritz was over-rated

All everyone else has said is that you were wrong.

regards,

REB

I still maintain that he should never have been picked and didn't have the wickets to justify his inclusion.
Would you say it was more bad batting than good bowling in the 2nd innings for at least 3 of his wickets.

I am happy that you rate him a better cricketer than Brad Hodge though.

[Rik E Boy]

All I said was that nathan Hauritz was over-rated

All everyone else has said is that you were wrong.

regards,

REB

I still maintain that he should never have been picked and didn't have the wickets to justify his inclusion.
Would you say it was more bad batting than good bowling in the 2nd innings for at least 3 of his wickets.

I am happy that you rate him a better cricketer than Brad Hodge though.

Apples and Pears mate, apples and pears.

regards,

REB

[smithy]

All I said was that nathan Hauritz was over-rated

All everyone else has said is that you were wrong.

regards,

REB

I still maintain that he should never have been picked and didn't have the wickets to justify his inclusion.
Would you say it was more bad batting than good bowling in the 2nd innings for at least 3 of his wickets.

I am happy that you rate him a better cricketer than Brad Hodge though.

Apples and Pears mate, apples and pears.

regards,

REB

I'm not comparing comments made by you about Hodges batting or bowling with Hauritz batting or bowling so why the fruit ?
You said Hodge was not a test cricketer, yet you say Hauritz is, pretty simple to own up to REB.

[carey]

for mine the most overrated cricket is the NSW capt i cant spell his name so i aint going to attempt it but im sure you all know who im talking about

[acockfromwayback]

Usain Kawasaki?

[carey]

lol

[Rik E Boy]

I'm not comparing comments made by you about Hodges batting or bowling with Hauritz batting or bowling so why the fruit ?
You said Hodge was not a test cricketer, yet you say Hauritz is, pretty simple to own up to REB.

How many times must I explain this to you. Hodge wasn't the best available but Hauritz was.

regards,

REB

[smithy]

I'm not comparing comments made by you about Hodges batting or bowling with Hauritz batting or bowling so why the fruit ?
You said Hodge was not a test cricketer, yet you say Hauritz is, pretty simple to own up to REB.

How many times must I explain this to you. Hodge wasn't the best available but Hauritz was.

regards,

REB

Who cares who was/is the best available, it's your evaluation/rating of a cricketer that I'm talking about.
Thanks for continuously avoiding the question.

[dedja]

Jeez, just won't let go of that bone!

[Rik E Boy]

I'm not comparing comments made by you about Hodges batting or bowling with Hauritz batting or bowling so why the fruit ?
You said Hodge was not a test cricketer, yet you say Hauritz is, pretty simple to own up to REB.

How many times must I explain this to you. Hodge wasn't the best available but Hauritz was.

regards,

REB

Who cares who was/is the best available, it's your evaluation/rating of a cricketer that I'm talking about.
Thanks for continuously avoiding the question.

[smithy]

I'm not comparing comments made by you about Hodges batting or bowling with Hauritz batting or bowling so why the fruit ?
You said Hodge was not a test cricketer, yet you say Hauritz is, pretty simple to own up to REB.

How many times must I explain this to you. Hodge wasn't the best available but Hauritz was.

regards,

REB

Who cares who was/is the best available, it's your evaluation/rating of a cricketer that I'm talking about.
Thanks for continuously avoiding the question.

Thanks REB great answer.
Keep banging that head against the wall, it might make you remember.

[smithy]

Jeez, just won't let go of that bone!

LOL - Dedja, I've been canned on this thread for daring to say that I don't rate Hauritz and believe he should never have been given the chance to play test cricket because his performances just weren't good enough, hence my comment that someone (selectors) over-rated him.

REB has been one of those to criticise my comment, which is fair enough, he rates him, I don't.
REB however openly stated after making a test double hundred, that Hodge was NOT a test cricketer, so I'm curious as to why he thinks Hauritz is a better cricketer than Hodge, but he keeps dodging the question.

[Rik E Boy]

Jeez, just won't let go of that bone!

LOL - Dedja, I've been canned on this thread for daring to say that I don't rate Hauritz and believe he should never have been given the chance to play test cricket because his performances just weren't good enough, hence my comment that someone (selectors) over-rated him.

REB has been one of those to criticise my comment, which is fair enough, he rates him, I don't.
REB however openly stated after making a test double hundred, that Hodge was NOT a test cricketer, so I'm curious as to why he thinks Hauritz is a better cricketer than Hodge, but he keeps dodging the question.

Smithy. I didn't say Hauritz was better than Hodge, I said that IMO Hodge isn't test class but Hauritz has now proven himself to be. Yeah, Hodge made a test double century and he and his supporters have dined out on that one. The way he batted in subsequent international appearances did little to improve his rating in my view. At the time of Hauritz' selection I would have said he wasn't test standard either but I would have said the same about any spinner selected since Warne with the exception of MacGill who unfortunatley for him and us was finished by the time he was ranked the big kahunna.

I didn't see a continual improvement in Hodge's game at International level. I saw a continual high standard in Domestic cricket but not an improvement at the top level. Hauritz, starting from admittedly a lower level of performance is showing outstanding development at the top level. Hauritz wasn't overrated by the selectors when first selected, he was strike nineteen in the search for a spinner that could actually hit the deck. Hopefully I have now answered your question.

Cheers,

REB

[Lightning McQueen]

for mine the most overrated cricket is the NSW capt i cant spell his name so i aint going to attempt it but im sure you all know who im talking about

Moises Henriques, agreed.

[smithy]

Jeez, just won't let go of that bone!

LOL - Dedja, I've been canned on this thread for daring to say that I don't rate Hauritz and believe he should never have been given the chance to play test cricket because his performances just weren't good enough, hence my comment that someone (selectors) over-rated him.

REB has been one of those to criticise my comment, which is fair enough, he rates him, I don't.
REB however openly stated after making a test double hundred, that Hodge was NOT a test cricketer, so I'm curious as to why he thinks Hauritz is a better cricketer than Hodge, but he keeps dodging the question.

Smithy. I didn't say Hauritz was better than Hodge, I said that IMO Hodge isn't test class but Hauritz has now proven himself to be. Yeah, Hodge made a test double century and he and his supporters have dined out on that one. The way he batted in subsequent international appearances did little to improve his rating in my view. At the time of Hauritz' selection I would have said he wasn't test standard either but I would have said the same about any spinner selected since Warne with the exception of MacGill who unfortunatley for him and us was finished by the time he was ranked the big kahunna.

I didn't see a continual improvement in Hodge's game at International level. I saw a continual high standard in Domestic cricket but not an improvement at the top level. Hauritz, starting from admittedly a lower level of performance is showing outstanding development at the top level. Hauritz wasn't overrated by the selectors when first selected, he was strike nineteen in the search for a spinner that could actually hit the deck. Hopefully I have now answered your question.

Cheers,

REB

No worries REB.
I agree with your thoughts on Hodge.
It is interesting that you said At the time of Hauritz' selection I would have said he wasn't test standard, when that has been my point all along.
Glad it's all settled then, I was close to getting someone to track down charcoal so he could come and say gday to you.

[Rik E Boy]

PHEW!

Mate, I even wrote a song about it. 'Horrie's got a gig' (to the tune of 'Janie's got a gun').

regards,

REB