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Dutchy wrote:Interesting stat breakdown, India kept rotating the strike where we defended too much, could easily be the difference in a close game.

Pujara knocking them around for 1's here and there for 3 days will do that.

Guess who is the only player on both sides to not play any T20?

am Bays wrote:

Cheteshwar Pujara, says Hi

I'd love to hear how that comes out?

Jim05 wrote:

Corona Man wrote:What’s the point of going back to Warner now? Let’s just forget about that **** and get games into a younger/better bloke.

One of the best players in World cricket that’s why. I don’t care if he is a flog. If he makes runs in the SS he has to get in

Na, f*** him, I think our integrity as a cricketing nation is more important than an individual.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Jim05 wrote:

Corona Man wrote:What’s the point of going back to Warner now? Let’s just forget about that **** and get games into a younger/better bloke.

One of the best players in World cricket that’s why. I don’t care if he is a flog. If he makes runs in the SS he has to get in

Na, f*** him, I think our integrity as a cricketing nation is more important than an individual.

I’d rather see us winning personally.

How'd that work out for us?

Jim05 wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Jim05 wrote:

Corona Man wrote:What’s the point of going back to Warner now? Let’s just forget about that **** and get games into a younger/better bloke.

One of the best players in World cricket that’s why. I don’t care if he is a flog. If he makes runs in the SS he has to get in

Na, f*** him, I think our integrity as a cricketing nation is more important than an individual.

I’d rather see us winning personally.

That's what got us in this mess.

#elitehonesty

MW wrote:How'd that work out for us?

Constantly ranked top 2-3 in tests and World Cup champions as opposed to the rabble we are now and about to hand India their first series win on Australian soil ever.
All for a crime that the ICC deemed fairly insignificant

Jim05 wrote:

MW wrote:How'd that work out for us?

Constantly ranked top 2-3 in tests and World Cup champions as opposed to the rabble we are now and about to hand India their first series win on Australian soil ever.
All for a crime that the ICC deemed fairly insignificant

That's like being stabbed 50 times and blaming the last stab wound on your death...

Jim05 wrote:

MW wrote:How'd that work out for us?

Constantly ranked top 2-3 in tests and World Cup champions as opposed to the rabble we are now and about to hand India their first series win on Australian soil ever.
All for a crime that the ICC deemed fairly insignificant

The rabble we are now isn't because two blokes aren't playing, the rabble we are now is because we took our eyes off the ball from the top of Cricket Australia down. This is the shake up we needed to have.

Now, if losing a series to India at home is the catalyst to wake the **** up the hierarchy who think spending 6 weeks a summer with ******* buckets on our heads paying some Afghani bloke $60,000 to chuck some darts for 4 overs a night is the way to produce Test cricketers then let them beat us 4-0 for all I care.

Jim05 wrote:I’d rather see us winning personally.

So would I, gracefully.

India winning the first is MORE to do with 2 of Australias greatest ever batsmen Steve Smith and David Warner being unavailable
Have a LOOK at the last series these 2 teams played in Australia
Take special note at how many runs the 2 stars made

This is purely a hypothetical
Imagine Smith and Warner playing in the Adelaide test and Kohli and Pujara did not
The teams were rated about equal favs in Adelaide
Make the 4 changes , Australia would be clear fav and probable winner

I can blame 20/20 to a certain/small extent, as an overall
But this fist test loss has little to do with 20/20 scheduling, thats because the BBL has not started as yet
The states have played 5 SS games before the first test, and one during ,thats a reasonable preparation for enough players

The BBL will/might make a BIGger difference from now on, with no SS matches until February

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Jim05 wrote:I’d rather see us winning personally.

So would I, gracefully.

Warner never does anything with grace.

mal wrote:India winning the first is MORE to do with 2 of Australias greatest ever batsmen Steve Smith and David Warner being unavailable

India winning the 1st test has little to do with who wasn't playing, and rather the Australians inability to capitalise on opportunities combined with poor execution at times.

Corona Man wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Jim05 wrote:I’d rather see us winning personally.

So would I, gracefully.

Warner never does anything with grace.

Correct
David was born in 1986, William died 71 years earlier

mal wrote:India winning the first is MORE to do with 2 of Australias greatest ever batsmen Steve Smith and David Warner being unavailable
Have a LOOK at the last series these 2 teams played in Australia
Take special note at how many runs the 2 stars made

This is purely a hypothetical
Imagine Smith and Warner playing in the Adelaide test and Kohli and Pujara did not
The teams were rated about equal favs in Adelaide
Make the 4 changes , Australia would be clear fav and probable winner

I can blame 20/20 to a certain/small extent, as an overall
But this fist test loss has little to do with 20/20 scheduling, thats because the BBL has not started as yet
The states have played 5 SS games before the first test, and one during ,thats a reasonable preparation for enough players

The BBL will/might make a BIGger difference from now on, with no SS matches until February

Mal, the reason we're shit without Smith and Warner is our next crop of batsman have poor techniques, no patience and simply don't bat well in long form cricket. Warner is the exception, not the rule.

Finch's first innings dismissal, going hard at the 3rd ball of the innings, the fact Handscombe is playing at all ( There's a text book for a reason, Peter, ever seen any of the world's best batsman play like you do? No. ) shows the flaws in our domestic scene. Nobody stands out at the next level.

Remember when Jamie Siddons, Stuart Law, Martin Love, Darren Lehmann, Jimmy Maher, Hodge, Di Venuto, Cox and I could go on and on were biding their time in the Shield waiting for a Test spot?

Corona Man wrote:Warner never does anything with grace.

Depends on what Grace looks like.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Corona Man wrote:Warner never does anything with grace.

Depends on what Grace looks like.

Candy yes, second hand Candy at that, Grace no, never.

Booney wrote:

mal wrote:India winning the first is MORE to do with 2 of Australias greatest ever batsmen Steve Smith and David Warner being unavailable
Have a LOOK at the last series these 2 teams played in Australia
Take special note at how many runs the 2 stars made

This is purely a hypothetical
Imagine Smith and Warner playing in the Adelaide test and Kohli and Pujara did not
The teams were rated about equal favs in Adelaide
Make the 4 changes , Australia would be clear fav and probable winner

I can blame 20/20 to a certain/small extent, as an overall
But this fist test loss has little to do with 20/20 scheduling, thats because the BBL has not started as yet
The states have played 5 SS games before the first test, and one during ,thats a reasonable preparation for enough players

The BBL will/might make a BIGger difference from now on, with no SS matches until February

Mal, the reason we're shit without Smith and Warner is our next crop of batsman have poor techniques, no patience and simply don't bat well in long form cricket. Warner is the exception, not the rule.

Finch's first innings dismissal, going hard at the 3rd ball of the innings, the fact Handscombe is playing at all ( There's a text book for a reason, Peter, ever seen any of the world's best batsman play like you do? No. ) shows the flaws in our domestic scene. Nobody stands out at the next level.

Remember when Jamie Siddons, Stuart Law, Martin Love, Darren Lehmann, Jimmy Maher, Hodge, Di Venuto, Cox and I could go on and on were biding their time in the Shield waiting for a Test spot?

Correct. As I mentioned before, David Hookes had to rattle up 5 centuries in 6 Sheffield Shield Innings to get a Test call up.
Now we see media claim the selectors made a mistake not picking Renshaw because he carted a Grade attack for 350 odd. (Lets not worry about him not making one single decent score in SS this season).

Warner and Smith's exclusion has highlighted our lack of batting maestros. We have guys playing atm who are not up to it, but nothing to replace them with.
Without doubt, the worst crop of batting talent since forever, without question.
And the reason is clearly the Twenty 20 format which seduces talented lads away from technique in the quest for their Andy Warhol moment.

This problem is not unique to us. If India didn't have Kholi and Pujara they would be in similar strife. Their other batsmen all play sensibly for 4 or 5 balls and then attempt to smack the Bejesus out of the next one. Despite their troubles on Day One, how many sixes did they belt? And don't get me started on Pant's efforts... almost bordering on disrespectful to Test cricket the way he bats.

NORTHERNER
You beat me to posting the same
Its just not Australian batting techniques
I had thought that some of Indias batsmen were reckless as well
The 20/20 technical batting issues applies to other test teams as well

BOONEY
I hear you, and a good post for you previously, which earnt my LIKE
Get used to it, 20/20 it is here to stay ,its just like playing AFL finals in Melbourne for the next 100 years or so ...
20/20 is a ca$h cow and here to stay
Unknowns in Afghanistan could end up earning peanuts domestically or be millionaires in the 20/20 comps
$$$$ talks
PS: you faced me for 1 over in our careers for an inside edged single, and Ive had bragging rights ever since
Had it been a 20 over match, things might have been different !!!

How about we stop talking about Smith and Warner and talk about the upcoming Ashes tour in England where we really need to start preparing NOW for the conditions over there. We really struggle in overcast conditions against swing and seam bowlers. And we dont have a bowler who can bowl to those conditions or the Australian selectors dont want to use them.