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Is this bloke one of the most underated cricketers in history, in the recent test against the Pakis he picked up a four for on the first day, IIRC he seems to take alot of first inning wickets which is a great indicator of success for a spin bowler IMHO. Add to this the bloke can legitmaly bat and if given the chances probably could have been a very handy number 7. His captaincy isn't the worse either.

Is there a way to find out what his first innings bowling statistics have been throughout his career.

He's not underated as far as i am concerned. One of the best bowling all-rounders that has played for a long time. Superstar.

rod_rooster wrote:He's not underated as far as i am concerned. One of the best bowling all-rounders that has played for a long time. Superstar.

spot on rr

whufc wrote:Is there a way to find out what his first innings bowling statistics have been throughout his career.

Go to cricinfo.com and select Statsguru from the statistics menu. You can also compare all his stats with other bowlers.

As i wrote in the NZ v Paki thread, he has the third highest batting average of all time for NZ players as Captain. Talk about stepping up when ya under pressure!

His bowling average is a bit over then it should be, but that is because he has been the only world class bowler for a long time and therefore the opposition just sit on him knowing they will be able to attack the other end!!

centrewing wrote:

whufc wrote:Is there a way to find out what his first innings bowling statistics have been throughout his career.

Go to cricinfo.com and select Statsguru from the statistics menu. You can also compare all his stats with other bowlers.

Averages 37 in first innings compared to his usual 33 with the ball.

Was originally a pace bowler?

silicone skyline wrote:Was originally a pace bowler?

bayman wrote:

silicone skyline wrote:Was originally a pace bowler?

And didnt he have the ability to bowl in excess of 145 aswell?

CoverKing wrote:

bayman wrote:

silicone skyline wrote:Was originally a pace bowler?

And didnt he have the ability to bowl in excess of 145 aswell?

I'm not sure if you guys are taking the piss, it's just a memory I have that he was a promising fast bowler before doing a major injury (back/knee).

SS im not taking the piss. Im sure iv heard the commentators say would be the second quickest bowler if he bowled pace in NZ at the moment (behind bond). This was some 4 years ago though!

would he have been gopod enough to play in the aussie side when they had mcgrath, warne, lee and gillespie all going. that would of been one very interesting selection dilemma for a long time

cripple wrote:would he have been gopod enough to play in the aussie side when they had mcgrath, warne, lee and gillespie all going. that would of been one very interesting selection dilemma for a long time

Well he smashes all three hands down for batting ability, but not sure apart from that?

Would certainly love to have him in the side right now. Vettori has been around for so long, yet it is hard to believe he is only 30!

Dead set gun, one of my favourite all time players.

I don't know he was ever a fast bowler; I recall during his first tour here in 1997/98 at the age of 18/19 he was a spinner then. Maybe as a junior he was. I think his batting since then has improved greatly, and is probably the Kiwis greatest cricket since Richard Hadlee.

Another odd stat that I caught during the Test coverage last weekend is that Stephen Fleming is the most "travelled" cricketer followed by Vettori and then Ponting. All three have travelled in excess of 1.5 million kms since test debut

cripple wrote:would he have been good enough to play in the aussie side when they had mcgrath, warne, lee and gillespie all going. that would of been one very interesting selection dilemma for a long time

You must be joking right???? Wouldn't have caused any sleepless nights for the selectors. And to be honest, I don't give a rat's how you dress up a bowling average of 33, it's still 33. What I will give him, is his appetite for the fight, with either bat or ball, and without him (more recently than at the start of his career), the Kiwis would have been struggling even more than they do. Just because he's one of their best ever, doesn't mean he'd be a walk-up start to one of our best ever teams. He might have played with Warney at the SCG, but that would've been about it.

The Jack wrote:

cripple wrote:would he have been good enough to play in the aussie side when they had mcgrath, warne, lee and gillespie all going. that would of been one very interesting selection dilemma for a long time

You must be joking right???? Wouldn't have caused any sleepless nights for the selectors. And to be honest, I don't give a rat's how you dress up a bowling average of 33, it's still 33. What I will give him, is his appetite for the fight, with either bat or ball, and without him (more recently than at the start of his career), the Kiwis would have been struggling even more than they do. Just because he's one of their best ever, doesn't mean he'd be a walk-up start to one of our best ever teams. He might have played with Warney at the SCG, but that would've been about it.

Definately not joking. You are looking at a guy that debuted in his teens, well before reaching what most regard as the prime of a spinners career. He has still managed to get an average of 33 when all the batsmen ever does is try and survive against him because more often then not cheap runs will come the next over. His value with the bat in later years would have helped his cause. I am not saying he would pushed out warnie or got games in front of the pacemen at the WACA, Gabba etc... but if he was born on this side of the ditch, i think australia would have played two front line spinners more often then what did happen.
All ifs and buts i know but an interesting thought none the less.

The Jack wrote:

cripple wrote:would he have been good enough to play in the aussie side when they had mcgrath, warne, lee and gillespie all going. that would of been one very interesting selection dilemma for a long time

You must be joking right???? Wouldn't have caused any sleepless nights for the selectors. And to be honest, I don't give a rat's how you dress up a bowling average of 33, it's still 33. What I will give him, is his appetite for the fight, with either bat or ball, and without him (more recently than at the start of his career), the Kiwis would have been struggling even more than they do. Just because he's one of their best ever, doesn't mean he'd be a walk-up start to one of our best ever teams. He might have played with Warney at the SCG, but that would've been about it.

Tell me another bowler with 300 test wickets who has spearheaded their attack while surrounded by such SPASTICS!!
There is NOT ONE!!
He would have played MANY tests for Australia

brod wrote:

The Jack wrote:

cripple wrote:would he have been good enough to play in the aussie side when they had mcgrath, warne, lee and gillespie all going. that would of been one very interesting selection dilemma for a long time

You must be joking right???? Wouldn't have caused any sleepless nights for the selectors. And to be honest, I don't give a rat's how you dress up a bowling average of 33, it's still 33. What I will give him, is his appetite for the fight, with either bat or ball, and without him (more recently than at the start of his career), the Kiwis would have been struggling even more than they do. Just because he's one of their best ever, doesn't mean he'd be a walk-up start to one of our best ever teams. He might have played with Warney at the SCG, but that would've been about it.

Tell me another bowler with 300 test wickets who has spearheaded their attack while surrounded by such SPASTICS!!
There is NOT ONE!!
He would have played MANY tests for Australia

Only two players, excluding Vettori in the last 15 years have taken 80 test wickets, Cairns and Martin.
In contrast the Aussies have had 8 players taking 80 plus test wickets, including 5 with 200 plus wickets, and the Poms have had 10 take 80 plus.

Whats about that JACK... (hows the dress look?)

just posted his third century of the calendar year... very very very good player