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TOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH CRICKET PART 2
Another Australian fast bowler breaks down
Ben Hilfenhaus is likely to miss the rest of the season due to a knee injury
Hilfenhaus resumed from injury in a Grade match in Tasmania on the weekend
He got thru OK and I believe took 3 wickets
Unfortunately the next day in a net session the knee tendonitis flared up again

The management of Ben will be open to conjecture
Another bowler on that ODI series IN V AU has broken down
As has been mentioned b4 on safooty, International players [bowlers in particular] are subjected to unrealistic workloads

Former Victorian, South Australian and Internation bowler Damien the bowlologist Fleming has complained about Hilfs workload and I believe had suggested in the media that If Hilfenhaus played the ODI series in India that he would be injured and unavailable for the rest of the season

What price are we paying for being the most successful ODI team in the cosmos ?
Was it better in hindsight to send our bowling attack home and not venturing to India ?
NO ....AU needs to win every single International series

Should Hilf have been sent home to recouperate ?
YES....From reports filtering thru the media he went into the series with a knee problem

Well mate this could be a short thread as you have answered your own question.

regards,

REB

mal wrote:TOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH CRICKET PART 2
Another Australian fast bowler breaks down
Ben Hilfenhaus is likely to miss the rest of the season due to a knee injury
Hilfenhaus resumed from injury in a Grade match in Tasmania on the weekend
He got thru OK and I believe took 3 wickets
Unfortunately the next day in a net session the knee tendonitis flared up again

The management of Ben will be open to conjecture
Another bowler on that ODI series IN V AU has broken down
As has been mentioned b4 on safooty, International players [bowlers in particular] are subjected to unrealistic workloads

Former Victorian, South Australian and Internation bowler Damien the bowlologist Fleming has complained about Hilfs workload and I believe had suggested in the media that If Hilfenhaus played the ODI series in India that he would be injured and unavailable for the rest of the season

What price are we paying for being the most successful ODI team in the cosmos ?
Was it better in hindsight to send our bowling attack home and not venturing to India ?
NO ....AU needs to win every single International series

Should Hilf have been sent home to recouperate ?
YES....From reports filtering thru the media he went into the series with a knee problem

all that needed to happen was for him not to go to india but for some reason the powers that be thought he should so there is noone to balme but cricket australia.

the workload isnt any heavier these days than it used to be, players used to play internationals state and grade cricket. stuart clark thinks he broke down through a lack of bowling

MAY-Z wrote:

mal wrote:TOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH CRICKET PART 2
Another Australian fast bowler breaks down
Ben Hilfenhaus is likely to miss the rest of the season due to a knee injury
Hilfenhaus resumed from injury in a Grade match in Tasmania on the weekend
He got thru OK and I believe took 3 wickets
Unfortunately the next day in a net session the knee tendonitis flared up again

The management of Ben will be open to conjecture
Another bowler on that ODI series IN V AU has broken down
As has been mentioned b4 on safooty, International players [bowlers in particular] are subjected to unrealistic workloads

Former Victorian, South Australian and Internation bowler Damien the bowlologist Fleming has complained about Hilfs workload and I believe had suggested in the media that If Hilfenhaus played the ODI series in India that he would be injured and unavailable for the rest of the season

What price are we paying for being the most successful ODI team in the cosmos ?
Was it better in hindsight to send our bowling attack home and not venturing to India ?
NO ....AU needs to win every single International series

Should Hilf have been sent home to recouperate ?
YES....From reports filtering thru the media he went into the series with a knee problem

all that needed to happen was for him not to go to india but for some reason the powers that be thought he should so there is noone to balme but cricket australia.

the workload isnt any heavier these days than it used to be, players used to play internationals state and grade cricket. stuart clark thinks he broke down through a lack of bowling

Too much fitness science nowadays..
Too much emphasis put on core strength, pilates, diet etc, instead of just running in and bowling in the nets conditioning the areas that count..
Go and watch these guys train..
The bowlers bowl for about 20mins to half hour, with the batsmen relying on young net bowlers for the entire session..
What happened to running in and bowling for an hour and a half, instead of sitting in an airconditioned gym looking at themselves in the mirror eating bananas and drinking Gatorade..
Would never have seen DK or Thommo doing that...

Good post Interested Observer

I can relate to my career
In my late twenties and early 30s I had many leg muscle injuries for a period of 5 years
I had assumed it was the age group that was the common denominator in all the injuries
I pulled a hammy several times

It was no coincidnece that my training methods differed in that period
I had retired from football
I had become a beer drinking + virtual non training cricketer[ala Booney]

Point being I was doing endurance training being a footballer
I was doing plenty of running
This flowed into the summer as I continued to run twice a week

However as soon as the running stopped, the injuries started

By my mid thirties I changed my regime
I ran twice a week and did plenty of speed walking
No more injuries !

Perhaps IO is on the ball with his post

interested observer wrote:
Too much fitness science nowadays..
Too much emphasis put on core strength, pilates, diet etc, instead of just running in and bowling in the nets conditioning the areas that count..
Go and watch these guys train..
The bowlers bowl for about 20mins to half hour, with the batsmen relying on young net bowlers for the entire session..
What happened to running in and bowling for an hour and a half, instead of sitting in an airconditioned gym looking at themselves in the mirror eating bananas and drinking Gatorade..
Would never have seen DK or Thommo doing that...

Agree 100%, in the old days you ran out a corky, nowadays you take a series vitamins and do 50 diiferent tests that still tell you that you have a corky.

Not to disagree with Mal re Hilf & the tour of India, but for the sake of perspective I can think of the following Australian fast bowlers in recent history who have either missed large amounts of time or retired early due to injury:

- Dennis Lillee
- Jeff Thompson (not 100% sure here?)
- Geoff Lawson
- Bruce Reid
- Damien Fleming
- Merv Hughes
- Craig McDermott
- Brett Lee
- Mike Whitney

Then there's the current crop like Tait, Hilf and Clark

It's a demanding profession. Some bowlers seem to have the physiche to go forever like Bichel, McGrath. Others regularly break down. Hilf may be one of the unlucky ones.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

interested observer wrote:
Too much fitness science nowadays..
Too much emphasis put on core strength, pilates, diet etc, instead of just running in and bowling in the nets conditioning the areas that count..
Go and watch these guys train..
The bowlers bowl for about 20mins to half hour, with the batsmen relying on young net bowlers for the entire session..
What happened to running in and bowling for an hour and a half, instead of sitting in an airconditioned gym looking at themselves in the mirror eating bananas and drinking Gatorade..
Would never have seen DK or Thommo doing that...

Agree 100%, in the old days you ran out a corky, nowadays you take a series vitamins and do 50 diiferent tests that still tell you that you have a corky.

Theres a reason why they dont do that any more! Just like most of the injury treatments they used 30 years ago, they did more harm than actual good.

http://www.quinsclinic.co.uk/deadleg.ink

It is very important to limit the bleeding and swelling caused by the initial injury as excessive and continued bleeding will cause more muscle damage. For this reason it is best to stop activity immediately. The old adage of 'running out a cork' does not occur and can only lead to a more severe injury in the end.

Early treatment for a cork involves performing the RICER regimen. This aims to minimize bleeding and promote healing. It is important to realise that attempting to massage or 'rub out' a cork in the first three to four days can only serve to increase bleeding and worsen the injury.