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Sorry i dont want this to take away from the match thread and Englands brilliant performance today.

BUT how the hell is Michael Clarke still in the Australian test side or at very least still batting at no.4

Here is his stats at the number 4 position.

Just done some research from these sources

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statisti ... yerID=3067
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

Michael Clarke batting at no 4 for Australia

Innings-22
Not Outs -1
Runs- 409
50's-2
100's-0
HS-80
AVE- 20.45

Add further to that Michael Clarke has come in 6 times with the score being on 2/50 or less.
When coming in at that stage he has hit a total of 74 runs at an average of 12.33

FFS DROP MICHAEL CLARKE NOW

those figures are Marcus North like

and most want him to take over from ponting ffs

He is in a slump. I rate him as a batsman and feel he will come back. Not captain material though. Needs a spell fir a while. His constant back problems worry me, we need a fit michael clarke

Jim05 wrote:He is in a slump. I rate him as a batsman and feel he will come back. Not captain material though. Needs a spell fir a while. His constant back problems worry me, we need a fit michael clarke

yeah i think he needs to go back to the sheffield shield and spend some time on wickets where the ball is moving about, he plays away from his body WAY to much and no surprise this is why he is caught behind the wicket so much.

if he was to come back into the side it would be to bat at number 5 or 6, he cant be coming in when the ball is still new and swinging.

Jim05 wrote:He is in a slump. I rate him as a batsman and feel he will come back. Not captain material though. Needs a spell fir a while. His constant back problems worry me, we need a fit michael clarke

What exactly does a fit Michael Clarke offer us? Not much more than an unfit one IMO. Talk about armchair rides in international cricket.

Not having a go at you Jim, I'm just sick of us carrying guys that obviously are not up to it.

He's very overrated and struggles to get runs when the teams back is against the wall as per the stats already provided.

No doubt he is in a slump but personally i think he has enough credits in the bank for a little while yet. Given how long we stuck with a under achieving Hussey.

He needs runs and needs them badly but i think we should stick with him.

Pup wrote:No doubt he is in a slump but personally i think he has enough credits in the bank for a little while yet. Given how long we stuck with a under achieving Hussey.

He needs runs and needs them badly but i think we should stick with him.

You gotta be kidding he has no credits in the bank whatsoever IMO, the rest of the season in the NSW system should get his hunger back, leave him out of the one dayers as well. He will come back a much better player and will then be able to take over the captaincy from someone like Hussey

daysofourlives wrote:

Pup wrote:No doubt he is in a slump but personally i think he has enough credits in the bank for a little while yet. Given how long we stuck with a under achieving Hussey.

He needs runs and needs them badly but i think we should stick with him.

You gotta be kidding he has no credits in the bank whatsoever IMO, the rest of the season in the NSW system should get his hunger back, leave him out of the one dayers as well. He will come back a much better player and will then be able to take over the captaincy from someone like Hussey

So two years of consistently being our best batsmen is not good enough?

Indian tour and this one have been very ordinary but before then?

Pup wrote:No doubt he is in a slump but personally i think he has enough credits in the bank for a little while yet. Given how long we stuck with a under achieving Hussey.

He needs runs and needs them badly but i think we should stick with him.

credits the bloke has no credits to his name what so ever. He was carried by a great batting line up early in his career when batting at six coming in on average 4 for 250+ most innings.

he is the biggest front runner in world cricket, another one of these blokes who would average 50+ on flat decks against carp attacks while struggling to get a run against decent attacks with a hint of any movement.

the bloke is averaging 20 runs batting at no 4 for Australia. its a disgrace that he has played as many test as he has ahead of players such as Lehmann, Hodge etc etc.

whufc wrote:

Pup wrote:No doubt he is in a slump but personally i think he has enough credits in the bank for a little while yet. Given how long we stuck with a under achieving Hussey.

He needs runs and needs them badly but i think we should stick with him.

credits the bloke has no credits to his name what so ever. He was carried by a great batting line up early in his career when batting at six coming in on average 4 for 250+ most innings.

he is the biggest front runner in world cricket, another one of these blokes who would average 50+ on flat decks against carp attacks while struggling to get a run against decent attacks with a hint of any movement.

the bloke is averaging 20 runs batting at no 4 for Australia. its a disgrace that he has played as many test as he has ahead of players such as Lehmann, Hodge etc etc.

And this is why your comments are laughable. Have you been watching any cricket in the last 2 years? No doubt he is in a slump but i think your obvious hatred for Clarke is blinding your vision.

Some other interesting Michael Clarke stats

-he has been dismissed 100 times in test cricket now

*31 of them times it has been for under 10 runs.
*60 of those times he has been CAUGHT
*the ground he averages the most at is surprise surprise the batters paradise Adelaide Oval where he averages 84.86
*second is Hobart where he also averages 80.67
*at his home ground the SCG, where the 5th test will be played he averages 29.40
*in South Africa he averages 28.20 per innings
*the countries he averages the most against is Sri Lanka @ 216 and New Zealand @ 60.18
*his worse batting has been in the second innings of matches where he averages 44.15
*his best batting has been in the fourth innings where he averages 52.78 but it does include a couple of not outs.

After reading this thread, its obvious
Bat him at 5 again

Pup wrote:

whufc wrote:

Pup wrote:No doubt he is in a slump but personally i think he has enough credits in the bank for a little while yet. Given how long we stuck with a under achieving Hussey.

He needs runs and needs them badly but i think we should stick with him.

credits the bloke has no credits to his name what so ever. He was carried by a great batting line up early in his career when batting at six coming in on average 4 for 250+ most innings.

he is the biggest front runner in world cricket, another one of these blokes who would average 50+ on flat decks against carp attacks while struggling to get a run against decent attacks with a hint of any movement.

the bloke is averaging 20 runs batting at no 4 for Australia. its a disgrace that he has played as many test as he has ahead of players such as Lehmann, Hodge etc etc.

And this is why your comments are laughable. Have you been watching any cricket in the last 2 years? No doubt he is in a slump but i think your obvious hatred for Clarke is blinding your vision.

ummm he averaged 54.84 in 2009 which included four not outs chasing down targets

yet in 2010 he has averaged 37.90 and that includeds 166 vs Pak in January and 168 vs NZ in March.

In his last 15 innings he averages 24.80

I think your crush on Michael Clarke is blinding your vision that he SHOULD NOT BE IN THE TEST SIDE CURRENTLY ON FORM

I agree with Mal he can not bat at 4 for Australia, if his not to be dropped he at very least needs to bat at 5.

whufc your stats are valid but I think you are singling him out and hyper focussing on his stats because of a personal bias against him for whatever reason. You are creeping personal opinion into your stats analysis and adding your own commentary to spice up the case against Clarke.

You have to do the same stats for each player if you are going to nominate an order of who should be dropped. I think you'd find that despite his recent slump he is doing much the same as the rest of them over the last few series. We can't drop everyone and I think we have 3 bigger problems in our top 6 batsman than Clarke.

When you are losing it's easy to pin all your frustration on the players you hate the most but a cool head is needed I think. Clarke is >> than Hughes or Smith and before this series was ahead of Hussey in the pecking order. Hussey has had a good first 3 tests but he was terrible for about 2 years before and could easily slip back just as easily as Clarke can come good. Clarke is capable of knocking out the big score at this level and right now we are well short on batsman like that.

Based on posts like yours and forum comments around the place I think we can conclude that Clarke is not one of the most popular Australian cricketers of all time.

whufc wrote:Some other interesting Michael Clarke stats

-he has been dismissed 100 times in test cricket now

*31 of them times it has been for under 10 runs.
*60 of those times he has been CAUGHT
*the ground he averages the most at is surprise surprise the batters paradise Adelaide Oval where he averages 84.86
*second is Hobart where he also averages 80.67
*at his home ground the SCG, where the 5th test will be played he averages 29.40
*in South Africa he averages 28.20 per innings
*the countries he averages the most against is Sri Lanka @ 216 and New Zealand @ 60.18
*his worse batting has been in the second innings of matches where he averages 44.15
*his best batting has been in the fourth innings where he averages 52.78 but it does include a couple of not outs.

You're on a roll WHUFC.
Any chance you know Michael Clarkes 1st class 4 day batting average for NSW prior to his test selection ?
How many 100's/50's etc.

Clarke is 30 in April.
Is his best cricket in front or behind him?
He cost Australia the game in Adelaide with his reckless batting and brain fade off the last ball of the day.

Hondo wrote:whufc your stats are valid but I think you are singling him out and hyper focussing on his stats because of a personal bias against him for whatever reason. You have to do the same stats for each player if you are going to nominate an order of who should be dropped. I think you'd find that despite his recent slump he is doing much the same as the rest of them over the last few series. We can't drop everyone and I think we have 3 bigger problems in our top 6 batsman than Clarke.

When you are losing it's easy to pin all your frustration on the players you hate the most but a cool head is needed I think. Clarke is >> than Hughes or Smith and before this series was ahead of Hussey in the pecking order. Hussey has had a good first 3 tests but he was terrible for about 2 years before and could easily slip back just as easily as Clarke can come good. Clarke is capable of knocking out the big score at this level and right now we are well short on batsman like that.

Based on posts like yours and forum comments around the place I think we can conclude that Clarke is not one of the most popular Australian cricketers of all time.

Its actually quite funny because anyone who knows me knows Michael Clarke WAS once my favourite cricketer despite the fact i dont actually support Australia

Im frustrated of watching a very talented cricketer getting an arm chair ride with selectors when the team is currently not performing acceptable.

What i cant see is where his getting all these credits from the other batsmen imho

Hughes- is only very young and raw needs to be given time at test level or else he wont improve

Watson- while he doesnt make big scores he is consistent and digs in when required

Ponting- is terribly out of form but there is no one else who can captain the side at this stage, has to stay in the team.

Hussey- is a fighter Aus can count on, is probably the only batsmen we have that plays the swining ball well due to his really good ability at letting balls go.

I hear you whufc but Mr Cricket was carried for longer and was in a worse slump than Clarke and now look at him. For 2-3 years Hussey was far from "a fighter we could count on". Far from it.

You say persist with Hughes because of his potential so I say back why not persist with a bloke who has proven he can perform at test level. Why can Hughes only improve at test level but Clarke has to be dropped to improve. Again, you are tailoring your comments to suit the player I feel.

I just think if Michael Clarke was our biggest problem we would have won back the Ashes. ie, we have bigger problems as I said.

There are bigger problems one being i dont think the relationship between Clarke and Ponting is very strong by what i saw at the test in Adelaide.

The reason i would give Hughes a chance is he could possibly play test cricket for another 10 years. Clarke on the other hand with his persistent back issue imho will be lucky to play for another 3 years therefore time is not on his side.

Australian cricket cant afford to have Ponting, Hussey, Haddin, Clarke all retiring around the same period ala Langer, Hayden, Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath and sadly for Clarke the rest imho are ahead of him right at this moment.

We need to start blooding younger players otherwise we are heading towards a top 6 batting lineup with most blokes playing under 20 tests.

The situation we a currently in with our fast bowlers looks like happening with our batting.