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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:06 pm

Pretty insipid so far.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby RustyCage » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:31 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
Brodlach wrote:That’s got to be the end of Ferg.


Heard some interesting stories from people in the know:

1. Basically all the players hate Siddons, want him gone.
2. Siddons best mate is Tim Nielsen, would require him to sack him which wont happen.
3. Siddons/Nielsen going all out next year to save their jobs by targeting several players.
4. They want Renshaw, Cartwright and Maxwell.
5. Already mentioned they have cut Ross, Page and Dalton, rookies Spencer Johnson and Ben Pengelly too old next year so need full contracts, both probably cut also.
6. Amazingly, Harry Nielsen been upgraded with his contract to the next level by Daddy, so instead of getting $60 to $70k will be getting $120k, because apparently Tasmania have approached him and they dont want to lose him. Conflict of interest much??

Keith Bradshaw needs to step in and sack Siddons and Nielsen, third wooden spoon in a row and nobody is held responsible and sacked?? What an absolute joke!


Is Nielsen Jnr getting upgraded a bad thing? We’d be screwed if we lose him.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Jim05 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:41 pm

Embrace the spoon guys!
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Eagles2014 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:59 pm

Also heard we have offered Ryan Gibson from NSW a contract.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby jackpot jim » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:10 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
Heard some interesting stories from people in the know:

4. They want Renshaw, Cartwright and Maxwell.



Well that would guarantee us a few more spoons :lol:

Sth Aust and Tassie should merge to become the South Tas Tigerbacks
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Corona Man » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:13 pm

Jim05 wrote:Embrace the spoon guys!

Spoon the spoon?
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby RustyCage » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:26 pm

jackpot jim wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
Heard some interesting stories from people in the know:

4. They want Renshaw, Cartwright and Maxwell.



Well that would guarantee us a few more spoons :lol:

Sth Aust and Tassie should merge to become the South Tas Tigerbacks


What did Tasmania do to deserve that?
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby jackpot jim » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:59 pm

RustyCage wrote:
jackpot jim wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
Heard some interesting stories from people in the know:

4. They want Renshaw, Cartwright and Maxwell.



Well that would guarantee us a few more spoons :lol:

Sth Aust and Tassie should merge to become the South Tas Tigerbacks


What did Tasmania do to deserve that?


Good point ;)
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby The Dark Knight » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:47 pm

Victoria win by 182 runs
SA second innings 216
Head 60
Sutherland 6/67

WA v Queensland, match drawn
WA second innings 347
Whiteman 110
Hardie 100*
Neser 3/59

QLD second innings 5/54
Kelly 3/11
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Armchair expert » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:50 pm

RustyCage wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
Brodlach wrote:That’s got to be the end of Ferg.


Heard some interesting stories from people in the know:

1. Basically all the players hate Siddons, want him gone.
2. Siddons best mate is Tim Nielsen, would require him to sack him which wont happen.
3. Siddons/Nielsen going all out next year to save their jobs by targeting several players.
4. They want Renshaw, Cartwright and Maxwell.
5. Already mentioned they have cut Ross, Page and Dalton, rookies Spencer Johnson and Ben Pengelly too old next year so need full contracts, both probably cut also.
6. Amazingly, Harry Nielsen been upgraded with his contract to the next level by Daddy, so instead of getting $60 to $70k will be getting $120k, because apparently Tasmania have approached him and they dont want to lose him. Conflict of interest much??

Keith Bradshaw needs to step in and sack Siddons and Nielsen, third wooden spoon in a row and nobody is held responsible and sacked?? What an absolute joke!


Is Nielsen Jnr getting upgraded a bad thing? We’d be screwed if we lose him.


He is easily replaceable

Vics have Harper Gotch
WA have Whiteman Phillipe Inglis

Carey might be around more often if he doesn't start performing in the white ball stuff
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:05 am

Armchair expert wrote:
RustyCage wrote:
He is easily replaceable

Vics have Harper Gotch
WA have Whiteman Phillipe Inglis


Carey might be around more often if he doesn't start performing in the white ball stuff

Nowadays I reckon it's harder to get out of the Aussie team than in it.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Tony Clifton » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:56 am

Have we reached tear it down stage?

Some of our better players getting old - Ferguson, Cooper, Mennie, Sayers

A couple rarely there - Head, Carey

A few we thought we would be A Graders losing their way - Weatherald, Lehmann

Agar really the only positive from this season. No other new players of note emerging.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Booney » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:18 am

Spoke to a mate on the weekend about this and he hit the nail on the head.

13 grade teams, so on any given Saturday 12 sides are playing, 12x11 = 132. I

If your side isn't in the top 4 and you're batting at 4, 5 or 6 you are probably never playing state cricket.

That means there's 8 teams with 3 blokes batting 4, 5 or 6 who aren't ever going to make the Shield side. 24 players.

If your side isn't in the top 4 and you're bowling 4th or 5th in the line up you are probably never going to play state cricket.

That means there's 8 teams with 2 blokes bowling 4th or 5th who won't ever play state cricket. 16 players.

You've just eliminated 40 players out of 132 who probably aren't going to make it. 30% of grade cricketers probably aren't ever going to be good enough to make state level. And that's without being harsh on the talent pool.

If we don't fix the grade cricket the state side will continue to fail. All of us on here know it, we talk about it at length, when will the SACA wake up?
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:30 am

Booney wrote:Spoke to a mate on the weekend about this and he hit the nail on the head.

13 grade teams, so on any given Saturday 12 sides are playing, 12x11 = 132. I

If your side isn't in the top 4 and you're batting at 4, 5 or 6 you are probably never playing state cricket.

That means there's 8 teams with 3 blokes batting 4, 5 or 6 who aren't ever going to make the Shield side. 24 players.

If your side isn't in the top 4 and you're bowling 4th or 5th in the line up you are probably never going to play state cricket.

That means there's 8 teams with 2 blokes bowling 4th or 5th who won't ever play state cricket. 16 players.

You've just eliminated 40 players out of 132 who probably aren't going to make it. 30% of grade cricketers probably aren't ever going to be good enough to make state level. And that's without being harsh on the talent pool.

If we don't fix the grade cricket the state side will continue to fail. All of us on here know it, we talk about it at length, when will the SACA wake up?


They can't, they are a toothless tiger that is ran by the affiliated clubs who vote on the decisions.
We will always have to accept mediocrity, cricket in SA has declined dramatically at all levels, the chance to make a decent crust out of it is minimal whereas the chance to make a decent crust in other sports is higher and less time consuming.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby heater31 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:38 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:We will always have to accept mediocrity, cricket in SA has declined dramatically at all levels, the chance to make a decent crust out of it is minimal whereas the chance to make a decent crust in other sports is higher and less time consuming.


This is probably the biggest issue First Class Cricket has faced in the professional era.

6 teams with probably 20 spots available can play until 35 years old. Most likely forced to go semi professional from 18 to 22 years old to try to make it


Football.....18 teams that are forced to make a minimum number of changes per off season. 100 places up for grabs each season with a chance to be paid decent money straight away.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby whufc » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:45 am

Booney wrote:Spoke to a mate on the weekend about this and he hit the nail on the head.

13 grade teams, so on any given Saturday 12 sides are playing, 12x11 = 132. I

If your side isn't in the top 4 and you're batting at 4, 5 or 6 you are probably never playing state cricket.

That means there's 8 teams with 3 blokes batting 4, 5 or 6 who aren't ever going to make the Shield side. 24 players.

If your side isn't in the top 4 and you're bowling 4th or 5th in the line up you are probably never going to play state cricket.

That means there's 8 teams with 2 blokes bowling 4th or 5th who won't ever play state cricket. 16 players.

You've just eliminated 40 players out of 132 who probably aren't going to make it. 30% of grade cricketers probably aren't ever going to be good enough to make state level. And that's without being harsh on the talent pool.

If we don't fix the grade cricket the state side will continue to fail. All of us on here know it, we talk about it at length, when will the SACA wake up?


Yep on the money, if there not willing to cut teams maybe they have to take another drastic step.

To try and keep youngsters interested in a future with cricket maybe each team should be forced to play X amount of under 21 or 23 year olds in the A Grade. That way 5-6 spots would be taken by genuinely decent cricketers and the remaining spots by up and coming players as a way to keep kids in the game.

This could the bargaining chip to ensure each clubs stays in the comp, otherwise start cutting teams and clubs.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Booney » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:49 am

Merge.

West Torrens, Woodville and Port Adelaide become 1 club.

Glenelg and Adelaide.

Prospect and East Torrens.

It would be so easy to get rid of 4 or 5 clubs without them having to die and lose all their identity.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby whufc » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:51 am

Booney wrote:Merge.

West Torrens, Woodville and Port Adelaide become 1 club.

Glenelg and Adelaide.

Prospect and East Torrens.

It would be so easy to get rid of 4 or 5 clubs without them having to die and lose all their identity.


I agree sadly the truth is with all administrators of the game having come through these clubs themselves there is zero chance their going to force 'their club' to be ones that have to merge.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Booney » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:19 am

whufc wrote:
Booney wrote:Merge.

West Torrens, Woodville and Port Adelaide become 1 club.

Glenelg and Adelaide.

Prospect and East Torrens.

It would be so easy to get rid of 4 or 5 clubs without them having to die and lose all their identity.


I agree sadly the truth is with all administrators of the game having come through these clubs themselves there is zero chance their going to force 'their club' to be ones that have to merge.


Then more fool them. They're sacrificing the good of the game for selfish interests, the game will look upon them poorly not only now but in the future.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2019-20

Postby Dutchy » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:25 am

Booney wrote:Merge.

West Torrens, Woodville and Port Adelaide become 1 club.

Glenelg and Adelaide.

Prospect and East Torrens.

It would be so easy to get rid of 4 or 5 clubs without them having to die and lose all their identity.


Blame the players, the coaches, whoever you want, but the root cause is the poor grade competition.

No clubs will merge so the SACA need to think differently, establish a Elite Grade, over and above what is there now, with only 6 spots available and make the clubs bid for the right to participate, meeting tight criteria or they are not considered. They need to make the clubs think differently and challenge themselves to be better.

Then you can still have the A grade comp underneath so no need to merge, could even have a possible promotion/relegation situation.
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