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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby whufc » Tue May 18, 2021 10:44 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Good on him.


Bancrofts own form has cost him but I reckon it would hurt him sitting there seeing the rest succeeding whilst he is just coasting along as he gets closer to 30 years old.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby The Bedge » Tue May 18, 2021 10:50 am

Did i see somewhere that Warner's manager has come out throwing shade at CA over the scandal too?
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby whufc » Tue May 18, 2021 10:59 am

The Bedge wrote:Did i see somewhere that Warner's manager has come out throwing shade at CA over the scandal too?


Yeah his manager 'threatened' that Warner has more information to spill when he is ready. Once again I think its clear Warner is making as much from CA as he can before he finishes up and then spills all the beans.

"The report that was done, they didn't interview all the players. The whole thing was so badly handled, it was a joke. But eventually the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, will come out and I know the whole truth. But it doesn't serve any purpose because the Australian public over a period of time got to dislike the Australian team because they didn't behave particularly well," Erskine told Sydney Morning Herald.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue May 18, 2021 11:01 am

Therefore if I was CA I would just not pick Warner. Clearly he didn't share all the information at the time.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby amber_fluid » Tue May 18, 2021 11:03 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Therefore if I was CA I would just not pick Warner. Clearly he didn't share all the information at the time.

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Maybe he did and CA chose not to disclose it?
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue May 18, 2021 11:05 am

amber_fluid wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Therefore if I was CA I would just not pick Warner. Clearly he didn't share all the information at the time.

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Maybe he did and CA chose not to disclose it?
If that is the case then we need a royal commission into CA

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby RB » Tue May 18, 2021 11:38 am

CA definitely know way more than has been reported.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby whufc » Tue May 18, 2021 11:43 am

RB wrote:CA definitely know way more than has been reported.


At a guess alot of the CA administration from the sandpaper gate are now gone, so we might actually get some truths. It's a very least a new CEO.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby The Bedge » Tue May 18, 2021 11:45 am

whufc wrote:At a guess alot of the CA administration from the sandpaper gate are now gone, so we might actually get some truths. It's a very least a new CEO.

And risk tarnishing their image?

No chance.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby Brodlach » Tue May 18, 2021 12:00 pm

What’s done is done.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby whufc » Tue May 18, 2021 12:03 pm

Brodlach wrote:What’s done is done.


It is from our point of view as the public but in a hypothetical would you feel that if you were Bancroft and the actual truth was a lot deeper and more disturbing than we thought.

Im not a fan of Bancroft but I can see why the trio might end up re-igniting this if they were genuinely made as scapegoats for a much bigger plot.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby Brodlach » Tue May 18, 2021 12:08 pm

whufc wrote:
Brodlach wrote:What’s done is done.


It is from our point of view as the public but in a hypothetical would you feel that if you were Bancroft and the actual truth was a lot deeper and more disturbing than we thought.


Knows his International career is over so trying to make a buck. Had 3 years to tell the full story and didn’t.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby whufc » Tue May 18, 2021 12:10 pm

Brodlach wrote:
whufc wrote:
Brodlach wrote:What’s done is done.


It is from our point of view as the public but in a hypothetical would you feel that if you were Bancroft and the actual truth was a lot deeper and more disturbing than we thought.


Knows his International career is over so trying to make a buck. Had 3 years to tell the full story and didn’t.


I think that's pretty obvious and so will Warner at the end.

If they have been genuinely 'done over' by CA I think a lot of people would come out once they have used them as far as they can. That's why we wont get a book or anything from Warner or Smith until they have finished earning their CA $$$.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby Eagles2014 » Tue May 18, 2021 2:57 pm

Brodlach wrote:
whufc wrote:
Brodlach wrote:What’s done is done.


It is from our point of view as the public but in a hypothetical would you feel that if you were Bancroft and the actual truth was a lot deeper and more disturbing than we thought.


Knows his International career is over so trying to make a buck. Had 3 years to tell the full story and didn’t.


Michael Clarke spoken up in support, what most of us thought that the bowlers got away with blue murder here, as if they did not know what was going on. They look at the ball before every delivery, they are not stupid. Bancroft and Warner had to take the fall, if they spoke up they would never be picked again, cant move to another team like in AFL, so they had their hands tied really.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue May 18, 2021 3:10 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
Michael Clarke spoken up in support, what most of us thought that the bowlers got away with blue murder here, as if they did not know what was going on. They look at the ball before every delivery, they are not stupid. Bancroft and Warner had to take the fall, if they spoke up they would never be picked again, cant move to another team like in AFL, so they had their hands tied really.

Stiff shit, Warner ordered the call, Bancroft done the act, Smith pretended to not know about it but was the captain, they are the 3 key figures, they sat out and rightly so.

What were the bowlers meant to do? "Oh look here umpire, one of our players has been tampering with the ball".
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby Eagles2014 » Tue May 18, 2021 3:17 pm

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Eagles2014 wrote:
Michael Clarke spoken up in support, what most of us thought that the bowlers got away with blue murder here, as if they did not know what was going on. They look at the ball before every delivery, they are not stupid. Bancroft and Warner had to take the fall, if they spoke up they would never be picked again, cant move to another team like in AFL, so they had their hands tied really.

Stiff shit, Warner ordered the call, Bancroft done the act, Smith pretended to not know about it but was the captain, they are the 3 key figures, they sat out and rightly so.

What were the bowlers meant to do? "Oh look here umpire, one of our players has been tampering with the ball".


The bowlers should not have played dumb as if they knew nothing about it. They were the main people to benefit out of it. Still believe they got out of it lightly but will cop it in the future and rightly so.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue May 18, 2021 3:21 pm

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The bowlers should not have played dumb as if they knew nothing about it. They were the main people to benefit out of it. Still believe they got out of it lightly but will cop it in the future and rightly so.


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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby whufc » Tue May 18, 2021 3:59 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
Michael Clarke spoken up in support, what most of us thought that the bowlers got away with blue murder here, as if they did not know what was going on. They look at the ball before every delivery, they are not stupid. Bancroft and Warner had to take the fall, if they spoke up they would never be picked again, cant move to another team like in AFL, so they had their hands tied really.

Stiff shit, Warner ordered the call, Bancroft done the act, Smith pretended to not know about it but was the captain, they are the 3 key figures, they sat out and rightly so.

What were the bowlers meant to do? "Oh look here umpire, one of our players has been tampering with the ball".


Gut feeling only but as time goes on I think we might see a change to the theory it was all Warners doing.....im guessing over time we here that it was more of a collective decision rather than just the threesome involved.

Which I why I think we keep hearing murmurings of Warner telling 'his truth'
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby whufc » Tue May 18, 2021 4:07 pm

My predictions are:

1. that wasn't the first time but rather an escalation of finding new methods. Taking sandpaper on the field to tamper is like buying a Ferrari for your first car. You don't go straight to the grande you build up and eventually go big at the end. Look at the footage from the test before in Sydney where Bancroft was filling his pockets with sugar.

2. More than just the 3 player involved knew and were part of it including bowlers and Lehmann.

3. Historically was happening and there was a culture around it......wouldn't be surprised to see another 'youngish' type player come out and say they were asked to or did do it at some point.

4. All test teams have been doing it...and it pretty much was the only proper way to get a ball hooping for reverse swing...we haven't really seen much reverse swing since. Reverse swing was essentially code for tampered ball. Which is why or how they could never really agree on how swing worked and was created.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket 2020-21

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue May 18, 2021 4:15 pm

whufc wrote:My predictions are:

1. that wasn't the first time but rather an escalation of finding new methods. Taking sandpaper on the field to tamper is like buying a Ferrari for your first car. You don't go straight to the grande you build up and eventually go big at the end. Look at the footage from the test before in Sydney where Bancroft was filling his pockets with sugar.

2. More than just the 3 player involved knew and were part of it including bowlers and Lehmann.

3. Historically was happening and there was a culture around it......wouldn't be surprised to see another 'youngish' type player come out and say they were asked to or did do it at some point.

4. All test teams have been doing it...and it pretty much was the only proper way to get a ball hooping for reverse swing...we haven't really seen much reverse swing since. Reverse swing was essentially code for tampered ball. Which is why or how they could never really agree on how swing worked and was created.


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