Ashes 2023

[gadj1976]

Starc named australia player of ther ashes

Congratulations to Mitchell Starc, who was named as Australia's 'Player of the Ashes' !
"It's been a fantastic tour to come and express myself, had the backing from the group," Starc said post play. "Fantastic group to be a part of for a long time. Been a successful tour, from the six matches we played including the WTC final. We've got a great support staff, resilient group. A busy eight weeks for both teams but the quality of cricket has been fantastic."
Starc finished as the leading wicket-taker for the series. Across the 4 Tests he played in, he took 23 wickets at an average of 27.08, striking every 33.43 deliveries, with one five-wicket innings and best figures of 5/78.

I disagree with this.

[whufc]

Starc named australia player of ther ashes

Congratulations to Mitchell Starc, who was named as Australia's 'Player of the Ashes' !
"It's been a fantastic tour to come and express myself, had the backing from the group," Starc said post play. "Fantastic group to be a part of for a long time. Been a successful tour, from the six matches we played including the WTC final. We've got a great support staff, resilient group. A busy eight weeks for both teams but the quality of cricket has been fantastic."
Starc finished as the leading wicket-taker for the series. Across the 4 Tests he played in, he took 23 wickets at an average of 27.08, striking every 33.43 deliveries, with one five-wicket innings and best figures of 5/78.

I disagree with this.

Agree...

Closeness of matches yeah brilliant.

Watching blokes bounce each other with 8 fielders on the boundary for 3 days a test not so great.

[gadj1976]

Starc named australia player of ther ashes

Congratulations to Mitchell Starc, who was named as Australia's 'Player of the Ashes' !
"It's been a fantastic tour to come and express myself, had the backing from the group," Starc said post play. "Fantastic group to be a part of for a long time. Been a successful tour, from the six matches we played including the WTC final. We've got a great support staff, resilient group. A busy eight weeks for both teams but the quality of cricket has been fantastic."
Starc finished as the leading wicket-taker for the series. Across the 4 Tests he played in, he took 23 wickets at an average of 27.08, striking every 33.43 deliveries, with one five-wicket innings and best figures of 5/78.

I disagree with this.

Agree...

Closeness of matches yeah brilliant.

Watching blokes bounce each other with 8 fielders on the boundary for 3 days a test not so great.

And I think if we take this tactic going forward, it will only lead us to greater failure rather than success.

[Dinglinga75]

England have drawn the past 2 series
New Zealand AWAY
Australia HOME

Next is India AWAY

*** was the 1 of test against Ireland considered a series ?

[The Dark Knight]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... 23-1390585

England and Australia have been docked 19 and ten World Test Championship (WTC) points respectively for their slow over-rates over the course of the five-Test Ashes series, which ended 2-2.

At the end of the series, England were found to have been behind the ask in four of the five Tests: by two overs in the first Test at Edgbaston, nine in the second at Lord's, three in the fourth at Old Trafford, and five in the last Test at The Oval.

As for Australia, they did fine in four of the Tests, but were ten overs short at Old Trafford.

As a result, England ended the series with just nine WTC points (24 for two wins and four for one draw, minus 19 for the over-rate penalties), and Australia 18 points (24 for two wins and four for the draw, minus ten). That left Australia at No. 3 on the WTC table, with 30 percentage points, behind Pakistan (100) and India (66.67), while England were at No. 5, below West Indies (16.67) with 15 points.

The latest over-rate sanctions for Test cricket, announced at the ICC annual conference in Durban on July 13 this year, are that a team will be fined five per cent of their match fee and one WTC point for each over they are found short by.

England also had a rough time of it with the fines. While Australia were handed a 50% (for ten overs) fine for the Old Trafford Test, England were fined 10%, 45%, 15% and 25% for the four Tests they fell short in, respectively.

Speaking before the final Test, Pat Cummins had said, "This series has been a bit of an outlier I think. We haven't had any over-rate sanctions over the last few years until this series. It feels like this one has been played at a different pace. It's something we need to speak about in ODI cricket as well, when you're setting fields the time can run out pretty quickly.

"It feels like there's different plans every second over, or every over, every couple of balls. One batter might have a totally different plan to another one. So there's lots of field movement. [There is] a lot more fast-bowling overs than there ever has been. No Nathan Lyon [from the third Ashes Test onwards]. A combination of those things.

"This series is maybe that little bit higher-pressure, and it's not only the fielding side but you see the batters taking that little bit of extra time."

In a series where rain was an almost constant presence, there weren't a lot of overs from spin bowlers, which could have been a reason for the slow over-rates. For England, Moeen Ali and Joe Root, their main spin options, bowled a total of 179.1 overs. Stuart Broad alone bowled more than that: 184.2. For Australia, Nathan Lyon bowled 66 overs in the first two Tests before going out with an injury, and Todd Murphy, who played the last two Tests, bowled 38.2 overs. That's a total of 104.2. Pat Cummins (158.4), Mitchell Starc (128.1) and Josh Hazlewood (111) all bowled more overs, Starc and Hazlewood in just four appearances each.

[Dinglinga75]

So does Australia win on count back for more points for the WTC

[gadj1976]

what a farce.

[FlyingHigh]

what a farce.

That they are being imposed or that they don't seem to be having any affect on over rates?

Spirit of the game? Show us - Bowl the ******* 90 overs in 6 hours.

[whufc]

I didn't mind the idea that overrate fines and penalties are only imposed for games which dont end in a result.

Essentially if the slow over rates can be attributed to a game not getting a result then teams get punished.

[RB]

what a farce.

Agreed, complete farce that they routinely don't get through the number of overs they are meant to bowl as per the laws of cricket.

[Senor Moto Gadili]

I didn't mind the idea that overrate fines and penalties are only imposed for games which dont end in a result.

Essentially if the slow over rates can be attributed to a game not getting a result then teams get punished.

100% agree .... there are much bigger issues facing Test cricket than slow over rates.

[FlyingHigh]

I didn't mind the idea that overrate fines and penalties are only imposed for games which dont end in a result.

Essentially if the slow over rates can be attributed to a game not getting a result then teams get punished.

Won't stop it being used as a tactic
Take Day 3 at Headingley when Head was going the tonk and the English were dawdling. They only had to face five overs that night IIRC correctly. What if they had to face 8-10?
Similarly Day one of that game, Poms were about 3/70 at stumps. Another six overs (again, from memory there were only about 76-78 bowled) and they could have been 6/85
Similarly, let's take day 4 of this last test and assume rain didn't interrupt. Nice arvo for batting, but we think there's a fair chance tomorrow morning will be gloomy like it was. Let's bowl eight less overs today while the conditions are in the batsmens favour.

[tigerpie]

It's slow over rates, batters changing gloves, ball changes, sightscreen issues, DRS and captains taking forever to set fields that is a major contributor to the perception that test match cricket is on a downward slope.

Now you either extend the playing hours or drop the overs back to 85.
Or continue this joke of deducting points.

Who controls the game? The umpires.
And they, from what I've seen, don't have the balls to say something.

The only solution is to drop the overs back to 85 in the day. So you get 5 overs with the new ball potentially.

Htf was Australia 10 overs short at old Trafford?

[Aerie]

First things first, get rid of the drink breaks and see if that makes a difference.

Secondly, decide on how much time it should take between deliveries and between overs and have a clock for both batsman and bowlers. The batsman clock should be 5 seconds less than the bowler so they are ready. Accumulative time is added/discounted depending on when the batsman is ready to face and the bowler is at the top of his mark and begins run up. For each minute wasted a run is added to Sundries for the bowling team or taken away for the batting team at the end of the delivery that has just been bowled. Captain can have a certain amount of "time outs/extra time" for tactical decisions.

In order to control the above and not add more costs, maybe you have only one on-field umpire and two umpires off the field. Is square leg really required? They could always rotate.

Another time saver could be bringing back 8 ball overs.

[Aerie]

It's slow over rates, batters changing gloves, ball changes, sightscreen issues, DRS and captains taking forever to set fields that is a major contributor to the perception that test match cricket is on a downward slope.

Now you either extend the playing hours or drop the overs back to 85.
Or continue this joke of deducting points.

Who controls the game? The umpires.
And they, from what I've seen, don't have the balls to say something.

The only solution is to drop the overs back to 85 in the day. So you get 5 overs with the new ball potentially.

Htf was Australia 10 overs short at old Trafford?

Australia were 10 overs short because it was in their best interests to do so. They needed a draw and rain was about. Exactly the same thing happened in the local Premier Cricket Semi-Final between Kensington and West Torrens earlier this year. Kensington bowled an abysmal over-rate early in the day because they only needed a draw, rain was about on the final day and West Torrens were chasing. A very deliberate tactic and like you say, the umpires never step in or hurry things up at any level - often they contribute to the slow play.

[Lightning McQueen]

England have drawn the past 2 series
New Zealand AWAY
Australia HOME

Next is India AWAY

*** was the 1 of test against Ireland considered a series ?

A serie

[whufc]

First things first, get rid of the drink breaks and see if that makes a difference.

Secondly, decide on how much time it should take between deliveries and between overs and have a clock for both batsman and bowlers. The batsman clock should be 5 seconds less than the bowler so they are ready. Accumulative time is added/discounted depending on when the batsman is ready to face and the bowler is at the top of his mark and begins run up. For each minute wasted a run is added to Sundries for the bowling team or taken away for the batting team at the end of the delivery that has just been bowled. Captain can have a certain amount of "time outs/extra time" for tactical decisions.

In order to control the above and not add more costs, maybe you have only one on-field umpire and two umpires off the field. Is square leg really required? They could always rotate.

Another time saver could be bringing back 8 ball overs.

Baseball have introduced the pitchers clock.

Could there be a time frame that the bowler is expected to have commenced his run up between balls. Clock shows the time each ball counting down like in baseball.

If bowlers fails to start run up in that time the team is penalised 5 runs.

I don't follow baseball so not sure how well that rule is going, i just know it was really controversial when it came in.

[gadj1976]

what a farce.

That they are being imposed or that they don't seem to be having any affect on over rates?

Spirit of the game? Show us - Bowl the ******* 90 overs in 6 hours.

Lots of both.

I agree, it's not that difficult to get 90 overs done in 6 hours and if they can't for whatever reason (change of helmet, injured fielder/batsman) then play extra time, in line with Joe Roots' comment about playing till 10 if need be. It's ridiculous, that in this day and age, we have lights, we have the technology to advise teams if they are behind over rate (not that it's that friggen hard).

Is it any wonder test cricket is dying around the world.

England are playing a positive brand of cricket but give the paying punter their money's worth.

[gadj1976]

First things first, get rid of the drink breaks and see if that makes a difference.

Secondly, decide on how much time it should take between deliveries and between overs and have a clock for both batsman and bowlers. The batsman clock should be 5 seconds less than the bowler so they are ready. Accumulative time is added/discounted depending on when the batsman is ready to face and the bowler is at the top of his mark and begins run up. For each minute wasted a run is added to Sundries for the bowling team or taken away for the batting team at the end of the delivery that has just been bowled. Captain can have a certain amount of "time outs/extra time" for tactical decisions.

In order to control the above and not add more costs, maybe you have only one on-field umpire and two umpires off the field. Is square leg really required? They could always rotate.

Another time saver could be bringing back 8 ball overs.

Baseball have introduced the pitchers clock.

Could there be a time frame that the bowler is expected to have commenced his run up between balls. Clock shows the time each ball counting down like in baseball.

If bowlers fails to start run up in that time the team is penalised 5 runs.

I don't follow baseball so not sure how well that rule is going, i just know it was really controversial when it came in.

This wouldn't work in cricket as there are too many exceptions. Batsman distracted by 'something' and stepping away to readjust, fielders not in place... There are too many issues at play as it is to bring this in. I say, bowl a minimum of 30 overs per session with 'time aside' for injuries or excessive interruptions. So, you don't take lunch/tea till at least 30 overs are bowled. I can already see that the TV stations won't like it, but it will never be early.

If a team doesn't bowl their 30, then they are penalised by the number of overs they didn't get bowled in time x $'s/points.

But it will never happen.

[Aerie]

First things first, get rid of the drink breaks and see if that makes a difference.

Secondly, decide on how much time it should take between deliveries and between overs and have a clock for both batsman and bowlers. The batsman clock should be 5 seconds less than the bowler so they are ready. Accumulative time is added/discounted depending on when the batsman is ready to face and the bowler is at the top of his mark and begins run up. For each minute wasted a run is added to Sundries for the bowling team or taken away for the batting team at the end of the delivery that has just been bowled. Captain can have a certain amount of "time outs/extra time" for tactical decisions.

In order to control the above and not add more costs, maybe you have only one on-field umpire and two umpires off the field. Is square leg really required? They could always rotate.

Another time saver could be bringing back 8 ball overs.

Baseball have introduced the pitchers clock.

Could there be a time frame that the bowler is expected to have commenced his run up between balls. Clock shows the time each ball counting down like in baseball.

If bowlers fails to start run up in that time the team is penalised 5 runs.

I don't follow baseball so not sure how well that rule is going, i just know it was really controversial when it came in.

The 30 sec clock in AFL is an example too.

I think you could have an agreed time of say 40 seconds from the point the ball is dead ( we should rename that to the ball is Bairstow) to when the bowler needs to commence his run up. It could be 35 seconds for the batsman to be standing ready to face.

Have an accumulative bowlers clock and batters clock. If the bowler begins his run in at the 45 second mark, add 5 seconds as penalties. Likewise if the batsman pulls out, add on the time they have wasted. Each time the accumulative minute is passed, add or take off a run depending on if it is the bowling team or the fielding team.

Give the captain 'x' amount of time outs per session to extend that clock to make tactical decisions.

They do have to either adjust the required overs or extend the time as well. 90 overs in 6 hours has been around for as long as I can remember and the amount of time now lost to reviews, ball changes, weather inspections, concussion protocols etc is way more than it was 20 years ago.