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Stuff "potential".
Bugger "how good he's been over the years".
Screw "He's still developing".

Who is the weakest link in our p**s weak Australian ODI side?

My vote is Cameron White...someone told me once that he was a bowling allrounder...

Did anyone see his worse-than-poor bowling effort today? In my opinion, he's not a leggies A**ehole.

My silver medal would go to Phil Jaques; can't make a run, and he sure as hell can't field.

My bronze would surely be Haddin; can't make a run, and his keeping is amateurish at best...if he's the 2nd best 'keeper in Australia, we're in trouble.

Feel free to use the poll, and leave some input...

Everyone knows my opinion.

Green & White Fever wrote:Cameron White...someone told me once that he was a bowling allrounder...

Who told you that? Billy Connolly?

where is hoggs name ? i can not believe he is going to the wc even mal turns them more than him (& i dont mean girls heads) boof would be a better pick than hogg as boof can bat & bowls darts

Bloody harsh on the best gloveman in the country. I'd be interested in what you saw that makes you think Haddin is worthy of a mention in this poll.

His batting today was good, and his footwork and hands behind the stumps was good from the limited times I saw it today (pacifying kids by watching Nick jnr and Playhouse Disney )

Mate that played against him four years ago in the ATSIC XI vs CA Chairmans XI match reckons Haddin is the best striker of the ball he has seen - this bloke was 13th man for SA in a Merc Mutual cup match 13 years ago and has played 2nd X1 cricket with Lehmann.....

Tassie, I respect everyone's opinion because it's usually based on what we see, but I find it a little difficult believing Haddin is a better striker of the ball than Gilchrist.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Tassie, I respect everyone's opinion because it's usually based on what we see, but I find it a little difficult believing Haddin is a better striker of the ball than Gilchrist.

My mate was talking about blokes he's seen in the flesh on the same park with or against them, his timing and power was exceptional on a dodgy wicket.

Jaques,Whitw and Haddin are only playing to cover missing starts.Tough mentioning any of them as being part of our team.

bayman wrote:where is hoggs name ? i can not believe he is going to the wc even mal turns them more than him (& i dont mean girls heads) boof would be a better pick than hogg as boof can bat & bowls darts

Good call bayman, Hogg is an absolute JOKE !! He looks like a little retard running around

Well as a Blue Boy it hurts but the player who looks most out of his depth at the moment is Phil Jaques. That dropped catch proved very costly yesterday and most fans would realise that fielding is not philly's strong suit. If this is the case he should be kept for Tests only until he lifts his rating. Jaques can bat of course but has yet to rack up the runs but it is difficult when you are in and out of the side so much.

regards,

REB

Booney wrote:Jaques,Whitw and Haddin are only playing to cover missing starts.Tough mentioning any of them as being part of our team.

Have to agree Booney. These guys are just fill ins. This poll should really be about guys who are 'regulars'.

I wont vote.
They are all good players in thier own rights.
Dont pick on the guys who are filling in as BOONEY says.
Theres only 1 guy who should be in the poll thats WATSON
and we dont need a poll for him as PUNK has already said
that 98.5 % of people on this site think he is a dud.
Only the Australian selectors + MAL think he is a good cricketer.

The next batch of cricketers have to replace some of the best cricketers
of all time, and they wont be able to emulate them.
For example HADDIN will no doubt be a good keeper batsman in internationals but
how can we expect him to be 3/4 as good as GILchrist.

I am apalled how some people pick on young players trying to make thier mark
GWF you mention words like POTENTIAL, STILL DEVELOPING .....
Imagine the world of Australian cricket if these 3 early cricketing duds were
admonished for being non performers in their embryonic stages
ROY SYMONDS
STEVE WAUGH
SHANE WARNE

mal wrote:I am apalled how some people pick on young players trying to make thier mark
GWF you mention words like POTENTIAL, STILL DEVELOPING .....
Imagine the world of Australian cricket if these 3 early cricketing duds were
admonished for being non performers in their embryonic stages
ROY SYMONDS
STEVE WAUGH
SHANE WARNE

It's symptomatic of the times. People want instant results now and aren't prepared to wait for a player to develop. It's the Duckworth-Lewis generation. There is more pressure on young players to perfrom now than at any time in history.

You can add Ian Chappell to that list. For the first dozen or so Test matches Chappell was a failure, but it was clear he would one day develop into a very good player. Most of the current list of Test players have been dropped at various stages.

Aussie cricket fans have been spoilt, and expect every player in the baggy green to be a superstar which, of course, is not possible.

For memory Boony struggled in his early days too

Hasn't Watson played 50 ODI's? How much more "development" does he need?

I voted White !!!

If he improves his bowling I would give him a game day in day out so to speak. He seems to have mastered the pinch hit role @ this stage but once again he must get the captains confidence to be able to be thrown the ball as a 5th / 6th or even 7th bowler.

Maybe a chat to Lehman ( who is @ best - bowls left arm friendly ) could help him out on how to bowl in a one day game enviroment @ international level.

Punk Rooster wrote:Hasn't Watson played 50 ODI's? How much more "development" does he need?

I know your baiting me.....

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I exempted 4 0f the 5 players on the thread except the leading Australian
wicket-taker on the New Zealand tour.

WATSON has completed his development, thats as good as he will get

mal wrote:
I am apalled how some people pick on young players trying to make thier mark
GWF you mention words like POTENTIAL, STILL DEVELOPING .....
Imagine the world of Australian cricket if these 3 early cricketing duds were
admonished for being non performers in their embryonic stages
ROY SYMONDS
STEVE WAUGH
SHANE WARNE

Good call mal.

In the case of Waugh and Warne, they were thrown into the side well before they were ready; however Waugh played important innings with both ball and ball in his early days, hence his early nickname 'The Ice Man'. Could've been a genuine class all-rounder, if not for all the injuries...

Warne was dragged into the side due to the Australian selectors' fixation on getting a quality spinner. Yes, Warne did take time to blossom into the legend he became...

Which brings me to Watson. He fits into the Warne category in this regard i.e the selectors 'blooding' a certain player in the hope that he will one day fulfil his potential. So far, Watson hasn't managed that. However he's not as dodgy as many people would believe. Batting at 7 is not benefitting him nor the side any. I must admit, I did like him as an opener in the Champions Trophy. His bowling has been the real disappointment, with injury not helping matters.

Long before Flintoff raped the Aussies in the 2005 Ashes Series, Australia has been desperate to find a player who can contribute with both bat and ball. Symonds has been a revelation in the ODI's, but a failure in Test cricket (the obvious exception being his ton in Melbourne). His bowling is friendly at best.

Cameron White...is a capable middle-lower order bat, but what people have to remember is that he's been a first-class cricketer since 2000. 7 seasons have passed since he was hailed as the 'next Shane Warne'. If the bowling efforts he's showed as of late are an indication of 7 seasons of hard work....I don't want to remember his rookie season! His batting is quite entertaining to watch though, which is why I think he should stop pretending to be a bowler and concentrate on being a batsman. His highest first-class score is 260! Unfortunately, he is also slow in the field....

Phil Jaques is arguably the worst fieldsman since Phil Tufnell...enough said. Wouldn't be as bad if he could score some runs...

So Brad Haddin made a start in the 2nd Chappell-Hadlee game, so what? Quality batsmen go on and make 100's...did anyone also notice how sloppy his keeping was?

Glenn McGrath, despite years of sterling service, is a dead weight. His bowling has lost that spark (like Gillespie in 2005), batsmen no longer fear him, and his fielding has been atrocious. Is there any chance the selectors can refund his WC ticket?

In fact, the whole Australian bowling attack is p**s weak.

Tait, I don't give a rat's how fast you bowl, it doesn't mean jack if you can't land them in the slot. Take note from Brett Lee, that's why his Test bowling average is above 30.

Bracken is a pussy, 130km friendly, up-and-down bowler. Call him Suzie and paint his nails.

Johnson is Australia's poster boy, and hasn't done too bad...still a little wayward though. He's my pick to become our next good-to-great bowler. Stuart Clark is a temporary fixture in the Test side.
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Green & White Fever wrote:So Brad Haddin made a start in the 2nd Chappell-Hadlee game, so what? Quality batsmen go on and make 100's...did anyone also notice how sloppy his keeping was?

In a word no, I ask you again G&W what is wrong with Haddins 'keeping?

His foot work, his hands, his give with the ball?

In fact I think he is the best exponent in the country on staying low and coming up with the ball one of the basic fundamentals of keeping - something that Gilchrist doesn't do as well

His footwork is great standing back as he is always taking the ball on the inside of his body, so if the edge does come it comes right to him

IMHO haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that makes me think that he isn't the best 'keeper in Australia. Not the best wicket-keeper batsman but the best 'keeper.