CHEATERS

[mal]

CHEATERS is a TV programme.
For those who have not seen CHEATERS it is not about the Olympic Games.
The Olympic Games should be re-named the OLYMPIC SHAMES.
There are too many athletes getting sprung on performance enhancing substances.
I cant be bothered watching this crapp.

Aristotle,Plato,and Hippocrates would be turning in thier graves.

[bayman]

CHEATERS is a TV programme.
For those who have not seen CHEATERS it is not about the Olympic Games.
The Olympic Games should be re-named the OLYMPIC SHAMES.
There are too many athletes getting sprung on performance enhancing substances.
I cant be bothered watching this crapp.

Aristotle,Plato,and Hippocrates would be turning in thier graves.

not all athletes are on 'the juice' but they tarnish it for the rest so perhaps there should be a 'drug olympics'

for those that don't think it is a problem have a look at some of the athletes that 'performed' for east germany & also what happened to 'flo jo'

mal, do the form as they are betting on it

[JAS]

Mal...no having a go but sadly these days you could say the same about every sport...even Aussie Rules wouldn't be exempt and anything involving the ponies has always had a problem but I'll bet you still watch them. The global nature of the Olympics ensures that the incidents of drug cheating get global media coverage which doesn't always happen with other sports.

For me I think it would be an insult to the honest athletes to refuse to watch because of a few highly publicised DH's just as I think it would on the grounds that I oppose China's actions in Tibet...the honest ones shouldn't be punished because of the actions of others and whether or not I watch on tv will make no difference whatsoever to either the number of cheats or the politics of China.

Regards
JAS

[Squawk]

CHEATERS is a TV programme.
For those who have not seen CHEATERS it is not about the Olympic Games.

Is Cheaters shooting some episodes in the Olympic Village this year Mal?

[Tassie Blues]

CHEATERS is a TV programme.
For those who have not seen CHEATERS it is not about the Olympic Games.

Is Cheaters shooting some episodes in the Olympic Village this year Mal?

That would make great TV. The Village in the last few days of the games is almost a sex fest.

[mal]

It didnt take long
The Advertiser front page 28/07/08 had this:

DRUGS WILL HARM GAMES

I have quoted the following from the front page article

____________________________________________________________________
WE WOULD HAVE OUR HEADS IN THE SAND TO THINK THE GAMES WILL BE
CLEAN AND THAT GETS MY BLOOD BOILING MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN SPORT
[Grant Hackett]
_____________________________________________________________________

An overwhelming majority of Australias Olympic athletes believe the Beijing Games
will be tainted by drug cheating


An exclusive poll of our Olympic team reveals 3 in 4 believe athletes will be taking
illegal performance enhancing drugs at next months Games

[JAS]

The Americans have been stripped of ANOTHER medal won in Sydney...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic ... 538654.stm

The United States men's 4x400m relay team have been stripped of the gold medals won at the 2000 Sydney Olympics.........

Regards
JAS

[magpie in the 80's]

as well as jessica hardy the american swimmer is out of the games.

American Jessica Hardy, one of Leisel Jones' few legitimate rivals, has pulled out of the Olympics by opting not to appeal her doping ban before next week's Beijing Games.

The US Anti-Doping Agency said the Californian breaststroker had made the decision for the good of the national team.

USADA said Hardy agreed to a ruling banning her for two years for testing positive for prohibited anabolic agent Clenbuterol with the provision she can "come back to the panel to present evidence which could reduce her period of ineligibility".

[Psyber]

Mal...no having a go but sadly these days you could say the same about every sport...even Aussie Rules wouldn't be exempt and anything involving the ponies has always had a problem but I'll bet you still watch them. The global nature of the Olympics ensures that the incidents of drug cheating get global media coverage which doesn't always happen with other sports.

For me I think it would be an insult to the honest athletes to refuse to watch because of a few highly publicised DH's just as I think it would on the grounds that I oppose China's actions in Tibet...the honest ones shouldn't be punished because of the actions of others and whether or not I watch on tv will make no difference whatsoever to either the number of cheats or the politics of China.

Regards
JAS

Yeah - all that thinning hair on guys in their twenties and the problems they have controlling their aggression and impulsiveness, make me think "Anabolic Steroids".
Of course we could try to explain it as increased Testosterone due to massive training, but it doesn't convince me, nasty cynic that I am...

[am Bays]

Can anyone tell em the difference between ingesting Bicarbonate or coke before or during an event - allows the body to buffer lactic acid and thereby reduce teh effect of faigue and allows the body to produce more work and,

the ingestion of steroids to which also reduces the effect of fatigue and allows the body to do more work...

One is legal one is not....

[Psyber]

Can anyone tell em the difference between ingesting Bicarbonate or coke before or during an event - allows the body to buffer lactic acid and thereby reduce teh effect of faigue and allows the body to produce more work and,

the ingestion of steroids to which also reduces the effect of fatigue and allows the body to do more work...

One is legal one is not....

Well, first, bicarbonate ions, usually as sodium bicarbonate, are mildly alkaline and, as you say, will buffer any acid including Lactic Acid, because the bicarbonate ion mops up the loose hydrogen ions releasing water and CO2 in an equilibrating reaction as in normal physiology. Coke [and I assume you mean Coca Cola as you said "legal"] is moderately acidic and doesn't buffer acids including Lactic Acid - it is source of more hydrogen ions. It does, however, contain lots of sugar [at least standard coke does] which is a quick energy source, and some caffiene which is, in the doses present, a mild cardio-respiratory stimulant, much like coffee. Too much of either of them will cause temporary electrolyte imbalance and impair performance. Using them is in some way and extension of eating and drinking as these things are also in food and water.

Neither of them, however, alter your body physiology in any but a transitory manner, and certain don't alter your hormone balance or increase your muscle development beyond what is normally possible, change your physiology in a more lasting way, or alter your mood substantially, potentially making you dangerous to be around.

Will that do for a start off the top of my head....

[Thiele]

we have our first Drug cheat for the games a Spanish Cyclist http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/beij ... 24,00.html

[rooburger]

does Trickett look huge or what???

[Tassie Blues]

:shock: does Trickett look huge or what???

She wouldnt be silly enough to be on the gear. if she is and got cought she would have to leave Australia the media would chase her so much.

[JAS]

Found this posted today on the BBC live text...

1055: BREAKING NEWS... Lyudmila Blonska is stripped of her heptathlon silver medal after testing positive for a banned steroid. She is also kicked out of the long jump final. American Hyleas Fountain will now move up to silver medal position in the heptathlon, with Russia's Tatiana Chernova taking the bronze. Britain's Kelly Sotherton moves up to fourth.

Regards
JAS

[magpie in the 80's]

i read that somewhere before and one athlete from that competition said that none of the girls had sympathy for her because she has been suspended before for doping

[JAS]

i read that somewhere before and one athlete from that competition said that none of the girls had sympathy for her because she has been suspended before for doping

In that case I hope she gets life ban with life meaning just that.

Name 'em, shame 'em and kill their career stone dead

Regards
JAS

[magpie in the 80's]

the event finished last sat. and her team mate won the gold medal but didnt want anything to do with her on the night and only congratulated the american. then all the girls from the heptathlon came onto the track, held hands and went around waving to the crowd as one group. well done i thought

[The Big Shrek]

Aristotle,Plato,and Hippocrates would be turning in thier graves.

What did these three have to do with the olympics? Just the fact that they are Greek? Let's add some more grave turners, Pythagoras, Archimedes Alex Dimitriadis...

[am Bays]

Neither of them, however, alter your body physiology in any but a transitory manner, and certain don't alter your hormone balance or increase your muscle development beyond what is normally possible, change your physiology in a more lasting way, or alter your mood substantially, potentially making you dangerous to be around.

Will that do for a start off the top of my head....

I agree it is only in a transitory manner and as you point out the alkaline nature of Bicarbonate can give an athlete a temporary advantage in events where high lactate is produced and to maintain teh blood pH at an level that allows aerobic power energy production to still occur. I'll have to find the reference for you psyber but a lot of work done in the late 80s and early 90s researching this.

caffeine IIRc helps prime beta oxidation (break down of fatty acids for energy production) so alte in an event where carbohydrate stores are low it can help maintain an energy substrate for ATP production. As you said the carbohydrate is also used for anaerobic energy production in teh sprint phase.

As Psyber both bicarbonate and coke advantages are only temporary but the temporary advantage can be the difference between medals and nothing. The same advantage steroids give you but arguably not to the same extent - however there are definate performance enhancement benefits.

As i said the question remains - why should these be legal and steroids illegal???