by flaggyfalcon » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:53 pm
by shoe boy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:57 pm
flaggyfalcon wrote:Waterboy wrote: I don't have much to do with amateurs, but I'm told that caping works there. Can anyone with first hand knowledge of amateur sub-juniors comment?
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It can't be too good, because wasnt one of the major reasons townies made the switch is that they prefered the SFL's junior system
by WHEELS&DEALS » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:06 pm
by WHEELS&DEALS » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:07 pm
flaggyfalcon wrote:Waterboy wrote: I don't have much to do with amateurs, but I'm told that caping works there. Can anyone with first hand knowledge of amateur sub-juniors comment?
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It can't be too good, because wasnt one of the major reasons townies made the switch is that they prefered the SFL's junior system
by shoe boy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:09 pm
WHEELS&DEALS wrote:flaggyfalcon wrote:Waterboy wrote: I don't have much to do with amateurs, but I'm told that caping works there. Can anyone with first hand knowledge of amateur sub-juniors comment?
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It can't be too good, because wasnt one of the major reasons townies made the switch is that they prefered the SFL's junior system
speaking to a few edwardstown people they won't be bringing there junior grades over anytime soon.
by lion heart » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:19 pm
WHEELS&DEALS wrote:Some good points water boy, i agree that it would be hard to turn back kids at any time but if you could field a under 8s,9s,10s 11s,12s,13s,14s teams and so on you could get more kids to your club and you wouldn't need dual sides.There is more of a chance of having those team play at the same ground after each other. There wouldn't be much chance of having both your 6/7 teams or both your under 14 teams playing at the same ground. Getting a Draw up and going is always going to be an issue, if you are trying to fit 20 teams in one grade or trying to make one up for 8 different grades thats why we have those smart people at the SFL for. Morphettville Parks big problem has been that for the last few years getting a team from the 6/7 grade to under 14s. With the small numbers we have each year, we only have half a team to go up and trying to get the other half of the 6/7 team to play under 14s is not an option. If we could step through grades like they do in Metro sth these player would eventually go on to play senior football for us. Would the SFL miss 3 teams from the minis?
by Down the Hill » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:32 pm
by Real McCoy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:41 pm
shoe boy wrote:WHEELS&DEALS wrote:flaggyfalcon wrote:Waterboy wrote: I don't have much to do with amateurs, but I'm told that caping works there. Can anyone with first hand knowledge of amateur sub-juniors comment?
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It can't be too good, because wasnt one of the major reasons townies made the switch is that they prefered the SFL's junior system
speaking to a few edwardstown people they won't be bringing there junior grades over anytime soon.
No because they dont have any they are a complete seperate club juniours/seniours but they expect to put a 18 side on the park???(sorry for the contradiction thats just as it is)
by Real McCoy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:50 pm
by shoe boy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:57 pm
Real McCoy wrote:DTH, The junior draw last year wasn't perfect, i remember Brighton's U/18's having to play at Marion 2 weeks in a row, yes the seniors played there 1 week but not the second & Marion didn't have U/18's.
by HH3 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:59 pm
by Down the Hill » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:43 pm
by Real McCoy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:24 pm
by Old and Grey » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:24 pm
Down the Hill wrote:The problem with the Metro South comp (PHOS Camden, Plympton, Ed'town, Goodwood etc.) is that the league was formed to cater for the masses of kids in that region who can't play club footy due to school footy. Many of the kids go to colleges or end at up colleges once they get to year 8. The only major public high school in that zone is Unley High and I reckon they play in the College Saturday comp anyway, excluding those kids from Saturday club footy, whereas our local high schools don't have school footy. Some of these junior teams use the ovals and adopt the name and colours of where they play but thats about where the relationship with the club ends. Apologies to Kenilworth, Goodwood and PHOC Camden who I believe do their best to operate as one club.Down the Hill wrote:The issue with the Morphy Park proposal is that teams in respective age groupings will become a moving feast from year to year and doing a draw will be impossible.
Lets assume Rey, MV, Cove, BB, FH, HV continue to have 6 teams which means they could field Under 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. What about the other 9 clubs. You may have Lonsdale with U8 and U11. Morphy Park with 9,11,13, Aldinga with 8, 10, 12 and so on. How would you structure a programme with many of the smaller clubs not even matching up with age groups. Then it would all change again the next year when every kid at the smaller clubs are a year older.
If Cove and Brighton were to play each other then the Under 13 game would be played at around 2.00pm, which destroys a whole Sunday (particularly with a younger sibling in Under 8 or 9). The beauty of Mini's with 3 games on a Sunday is that it is all over by 12 noon. This allows families to attend family events on a Sunday or go to AAMI stadium for Crows or Power etc.
The current structure (whether it stays as is or goes to 8, 10, 12) gives every club a fair chance of fielding at least one team in every age category and extra teams if they can. The SFL probably got it wrong last year by allowing HV and Cove to field 3 Year 4/5 sides and that did stuff things around a bit. Dual sides may create a little division in the clubs that have them but Brighton have coped with this for 6 or 7 years without too many problems. All the kids train together on a Friday night and often they combine the respective age groups.
by WHEELS&DEALS » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:29 am
by vics01 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:44 am
WHEELS & DEALS.
I have spoken to some of those people who run that comp and I tell you what they have more idea about junior football compared to the people running it at the SFL, the SFL moto seems to be as long as all the kids get a game, its gotten a bit bigger than that. They need to put structures in place to guide these kids through to senior football and if they keep going the way they are by bowing to all the top clubs it will come back to bite them in the butt
WHEELS & DEALS:
So does this mean that the Morphettville Park proposal has been voted on and won't be an option for this year? A few questions for anyone out there who cares about junior football.
1/ what do people think of having 20 teams in each grade for 2/3s, 4/5s and 6/7s?
2/ what are your veiws on clubs with dual sides and should they be caped.
3 If Morphettville Parks proposal was voted out, how would other club feel if there juniors left the SFL and went and played with the Metro sth League?????
by Old and Grey » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:08 am
vics01 wrote:Morphies need to have a look at and maybe speak to a couple of other clubs who were in similar positions 5 to 10 years ago but worked and continue to work to get junior numbers. Cove for example had no real junior structure 8 years ago but have worked it's but off and has now paid off with a lot of these juniors playing A grade. Morphett Vale also shows what you get for working hard, majority of A grade came through the ranks. you get out what you put in.
by shoe boy » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:50 am
Old and Grey wrote:vics01 wrote:Morphies need to have a look at and maybe speak to a couple of other clubs who were in similar positions 5 to 10 years ago but worked and continue to work to get junior numbers. Cove for example had no real junior structure 8 years ago but have worked it's but off and has now paid off with a lot of these juniors playing A grade. Morphett Vale also shows what you get for working hard, majority of A grade came through the ranks. you get out what you put in.
This is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Cove is in a booming growth area and Moprhett Vale covers a very large area that has also had big growth over the years. Morphettville Park/Marion/Brighton are in an older area with very minimal growth. Not many young families or 20-30 year olds moving into the areas.
by vics01 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:19 pm
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