Edwardstown still looking

[Pag]

Isn't the problem with the junior side that the SFL only have every second year (14s/16s/18s), while the MSJFL have every grade? By bringing them all over, they'd effectively cut out half their junior sides.

[vics01]

PAG Re: Edwardstown still looking
Isn't the problem with the junior side that the SFL only have every second year (14s/16s/18s), while the MSJFL have every grade? By bringing them all over, they'd effectively cut out half their junior sides.

SFL on Saturday Has 14/16/18/B/A on Sunday has 2/3 = u9, 4/5 = u11, 6/7 =u13. It is beyond the thinking of the SFL to make Sunday footy U12/10/8. Which would even the flow to the 14 comp Sat an Sunday.

Sunday Consists of 2/3, 4/5, 6/7, U14, U16, C Grade. Although 14/16 do not preceed C grade. Go figure??

[Jayne]

Edwardstown will make the finals in their first year easy. In 18 rounds you need to win a minimum of 8 possibly 9 games to make the top 8 of 15 teams. Being the 'new kid on the block' and the SFL wanting to showcase the benefits they will play each bottom team twice eg

Hackham, Lonsdale, Aldinga for 6 wins.
Then they will need to beat Noarlunga, Flaggies, Christies or marion for 2 or 3 wins and they're in.

SFL is happy and can big note the success to lure more teams and EFC are vindicated in their move. The fact they are a current Div 2 amateur team they should realistically cream all the above and maybe a few higher teams.

EFC will be one of the 'seeded' teams for 2009, they will play Cove, M/Vale, Brighton, Happy Valley, Pt Noar, Reynella etc twice and will only face the lower teams Hackham, Lonsdale, Aldinga, Noarlunga etc once only... No manipulating the draw to make Edwardstown an instant success, they will have to earn success which I'm sure everyone agrees is the best format...

I am amazed at how over-rated the SAAFL is and equally how under-rated the SFL is. On last year EFC would most likely played in a SFL prelim to say they would have walked into the GF is not accurate...

[Pag]

Isn't the problem with the junior side that the SFL only have every second year (14s/16s/18s), while the MSJFL have every grade? By bringing them all over, they'd effectively cut out half their junior sides.

SFL on Saturday Has 14/16/18/B/A on Sunday has 2/3 = u9, 4/5 = u11, 6/7 =u13. It is beyond the thinking of the SFL to make Sunday footy U12/10/8. Which would even the flow to the 14 comp Sat an Sunday.

Sunday Consists of 2/3, 4/5, 6/7, U14, U16, C Grade. Although 14/16 do not preceed C grade. Go figure??

My point is that if Edwardstown currently have Under 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s and 16s all playing on a Sunday, they would have to scrap every second team to fit in with the SFLs junior grades. Why would you want to do that?

[Esteban Vihaio]

Isn't the problem with the junior side that the SFL only have every second year (14s/16s/18s), while the MSJFL have every grade? By bringing them all over, they'd effectively cut out half their junior sides.

SFL on Saturday Has 14/16/18/B/A on Sunday has 2/3 = u9, 4/5 = u11, 6/7 =u13. It is beyond the thinking of the SFL to make Sunday footy U12/10/8. Which would even the flow to the 14 comp Sat an Sunday.

Sunday Consists of 2/3, 4/5, 6/7, U14, U16, C Grade. Although 14/16 do not preceed C grade. Go figure??

My point is that if Edwardstown currently have Under 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s and 16s all playing on a Sunday, they would have to scrap every second team to fit in with the SFLs junior grades. Why would you want to do that?

Whilst it is true that not running juniors before the seniors is a big folly of the SAAFL, their junior operation as a single entity, seems further advanced than SFL juniors in terms of
* More grades (One grade per age group, i.e. U/11, U/10, U/9;
**** Two years can be a huge difference in the physical development of kids
**** It is easier to retain kids (to football) if they are playing against their own age group
* Smaller distances to travel (i.e. MSJFL is the league for the southern city clubs)
* Far greater parity between teams;
**** Each club can have only one team
**** Excess juniors at each club, I understand, are "Fill ins" for teams with lesser number
**** All city clubs in MJSFL; SFL has urban sprawl and city clubs - two totally different beasts;
* No admission fees (Some clubs do charge before 11am, in 2005, at least Reynella and Christies were charging before a game - This is a disgrace).

[vics01]

Re: Edwardstown still looking

vics01 wrote:
Pag wrote:
Isn't the problem with the junior side that the SFL only have every second year (14s/16s/18s), while the MSJFL have every grade? By bringing them all over, they'd effectively cut out half their junior sides.
SFL on Saturday Has 14/16/18/B/A on Sunday has 2/3 = u9, 4/5 = u11, 6/7 =u13. It is beyond the thinking of the SFL to make Sunday footy U12/10/8. Which would even the flow to the 14 comp Sat an Sunday.

Sunday Consists of 2/3, 4/5, 6/7, U14, U16, C Grade. Although 14/16 do not preceed C grade. Go figure??

PAG WROTE
My point is that if Edwardstown currently have Under 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s and 16s all playing on a Sunday, they would have to scrap every second team to fit in with the SFLs junior grades. Why would you want to do that?

I suppose that is why the SFL are a cluster. What a mess the draw will be for all teams other than the A grade. SFL slowly losing the family club atmosphere it once had. Should said Come one come all or don't come at all.

[Zelezny Chucks]

Edwardestown's 2008 team would have made the GF in the SFL.

I think you underestimate the top 4 in the SFL mate. I don't think Hibberd would have been as effective as he was in 2008 against some of the better sides in the SFL.

[The Big Shrek]

I think you overestimate your to 4. Playing against quality opposition every week tends to make sides stronger. Only playing a game where there is a chance you'll lose every 4 weeks makes teams complacent.

[Bag The Points]

No way Edwardstown would have pushed Cove or Morphett Vale out of Grand Final. An SAAFL Div One side maybe but Div Two ? Certainly not.
My suggestion is that the 2008 Edwardstown would have been Prelim final contenders (roughly on a par with the Bombers), but not as strong as the pair that played off.

[The Big Shrek]

How can you say that they were on par with Brighton but there is "no way" they would push Cove or MV out of the GF?

Brighton beat Cove and MV during the season so I suggest there is a 'way' for them to make the GF.

Every league seems to think that div 2 is substandard or something. It would whoop any other league in the state. You must remember that to be in div 1 you have to be one of the best ten clubs in the state. Once you are there if you finish 9th you get the arse back to div 2. It's a tough process but it means only the tough clubs are in the top 2 divs. You don't have the luxury of farting around for one year then starting from the same position next year like in the SFL. This means that players, officials and coaches have a far more professional attitude to football. If you don't you will be relegated.

[AFLflyer]

How can you say that they were on par with Brighton but there is "no way" they would push Cove or MV out of the GF?

Brighton beat Cove and MV during the season so I suggest there is a 'way' for them to make the GF.

Every league seems to think that div 2 is substandard or something. It would whoop any other league in the state. You must remember that to be in div 1 you have to be one of the best ten clubs in the state. Once you are there if you finish 9th you get the arse back to div 2. It's a tough process but it means only the tough clubs are in the top 2 divs. You don't have the luxury of farting around for one year then starting from the same position next year like in the SFL. This means that players, officials and coaches have a far more professional attitude to football. If you don't you will be relegated.

what a pointless argument, which is impossible to measure unless they play each other! who cares

[cyclops]

How can you say that they were on par with Brighton but there is "no way" they would push Cove or MV out of the GF?

Brighton beat Cove and MV during the season so I suggest there is a 'way' for them to make the GF.

Every league seems to think that div 2 is substandard or something. It would whoop any other league in the state. You must remember that to be in div 1 you have to be one of the best ten clubs in the state. Once you are there if you finish 9th you get the arse back to div 2. It's a tough process but it means only the tough clubs are in the top 2 divs. You don't have the luxury of farting around for one year then starting from the same position next year like in the SFL. This means that players, officials and coaches have a far more professional attitude to football. If you don't you will be relegated.

shrek u have ya head shoved up youre own arse mate,get on the amateur forum ya amateur brown nose.

[The Big Shrek]

How can you say that they were on par with Brighton but there is "no way" they would push Cove or MV out of the GF?

Brighton beat Cove and MV during the season so I suggest there is a 'way' for them to make the GF.

Every league seems to think that div 2 is substandard or something. It would whoop any other league in the state. You must remember that to be in div 1 you have to be one of the best ten clubs in the state. Once you are there if you finish 9th you get the arse back to div 2. It's a tough process but it means only the tough clubs are in the top 2 divs. You don't have the luxury of farting around for one year then starting from the same position next year like in the SFL. This means that players, officials and coaches have a far more professional attitude to football. If you don't you will be relegated.

shrek u have ya head shoved up youre own arse mate,get on the amateur forum ya amateur brown nose.

Hey, I was praising your league by saying the top teams would be good in div 2. Div 2 is a bloody good standard and the SFL has done well to have a few teams capable of playing in that comp.

[damian]

Isn't the problem with the junior side that the SFL only have every second year (14s/16s/18s), while the MSJFL have every grade? By bringing them all over, they'd effectively cut out half their junior sides.

SFL on Saturday Has 14/16/18/B/A on Sunday has 2/3 = u9, 4/5 = u11, 6/7 =u13. It is beyond the thinking of the SFL to make Sunday footy U12/10/8. Which would even the flow to the 14 comp Sat an Sunday.

Sunday Consists of 2/3, 4/5, 6/7, U14, U16, C Grade. Although 14/16 do not preceed C grade. Go figure??

My point is that if Edwardstown currently have Under 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s and 16s all playing on a Sunday, they would have to scrap every second team to fit in with the SFLs junior grades. Why would you want to do that?

Whilst it is true that not running juniors before the seniors is a big folly of the SAAFL, their junior operation as a single entity, seems further advanced than SFL juniors in terms of
* More grades (One grade per age group, i.e. U/11, U/10, U/9;
**** Two years can be a huge difference in the physical development of kids
**** It is easier to retain kids (to football) if they are playing against their own age group
* Smaller distances to travel (i.e. MSJFL is the league for the southern city clubs)
* Far greater parity between teams;
**** Each club can have only one team
**** Excess juniors at each club, I understand, are "Fill ins" for teams with lesser number
**** All city clubs in MJSFL; SFL has urban sprawl and city clubs - two totally different beasts;
* No admission fees (Some clubs do charge before 11am, in 2005, at least Reynella and Christies were charging before a game - This is a disgrace).

Just remember while clubs like Cove, Brighton, M/vale, Reynella have quite populated areas, other parts of the SFL region aren't, hence why the SFL couldn't have a grade for every year level of kids (u/11, u/12, u/13). Country leagues have 3 year agaps in their juniors, SFL have a 2 year gap and SAAFL 1, it all works on how populated the areas are.

Secondly, most games i attend for juniors i am slugged admission fees so it's not just Reynella and Christies, it's just how it works, admission is a big money spinner for clubs.

[GO THE PUNT]

Were pt districts in div 1 this year as I do believe brighton defeated them in a trial at the start of the year 1 week b4 the saafl started. Can we take this as a guide?

[The Big Shrek]

We all know trial games don't mean much Punt. Edwardstown beat the two SFL teams in the Friday night comp at the start of the year too.

[Bag The Points]

How can you say that they were on par with Brighton but there is "no way" they would push Cove or MV out of the GF?

Brighton beat Cove and MV during the season so I suggest there is a 'way' for them to make the GF.

Every league seems to think that div 2 is substandard or something. It would whoop any other league in the state. You must remember that to be in div 1 you have to be one of the best ten clubs in the state. Once you are there if you finish 9th you get the arse back to div 2. It's a tough process but it means only the tough clubs are in the top 2 divs. You don't have the luxury of farting around for one year then starting from the same position next year like in the SFL. This means that players, officials and coaches have a far more professional attitude to football. If you don't you will be relegated.

And couldn't beat either of them in September.

[The Big Shrek]

Yep, but you said "No Way". That suggests it would have been impossible for Brighton to make the GF.

I am saying the fact that Brighton beat Cove and MV means they had a good chance of making the GF. They just didn't manage to do it.

[Esteban Vihaio]

Just remember while clubs like Cove, Brighton, M/vale, Reynella have quite populated areas, other parts of the SFL region aren't, hence why the SFL couldn't have a grade for every year level of kids (u/11, u/12, u/13). Country leagues have 3 year agaps in their juniors, SFL have a 2 year gap and SAAFL 1, it all works on how populated the areas are.

Secondly, most games i attend for juniors i am slugged admission fees so it's not just Reynella and Christies, it's just how it works, admission is a big money spinner for clubs.

Firstly, there are easily enough juniors playing football in the SFL for every team to field a side in each junior grade, some clubs, for what ever reason, are more attractive than others. That is why we have second sides, even though there is always another struggling side close by.

Secondly, m/vale, reynella, happy valley, cove, and brighton could probably field sides in each age level.

Unless things have changed in the last few years, most clubs don't charge before 11am.

And finally, with less than half the parents attending games, the last thing you want to do is give them another reason not to show up. If you ever see a kid wave to the old man who made his once and only appearance at the footy for the year and then turn in a blinder, you'll understand why charging parents to watch u/14 and u/16 football is a disgrace.

[shoe boy]

Just remember while clubs like Cove, Brighton, M/vale, Reynella have quite populated areas, other parts of the SFL region aren't, hence why the SFL couldn't have a grade for every year level of kids (u/11, u/12, u/13). Country leagues have 3 year agaps in their juniors, SFL have a 2 year gap and SAAFL 1, it all works on how populated the areas are.

Secondly, most games i attend for juniors i am slugged admission fees so it's not just Reynella and Christies, it's just how it works, admission is a big money spinner for clubs.

Firstly, there are easily enough juniors playing football in the SFL for every team to field a side in each junior grade, some clubs, for what ever reason, are more attractive than others. That is why we have second sides, even though there is always another struggling side close by.

Secondly, m/vale, reynella, happy valley, cove, and brighton could probably field sides in each age level.

Unless things have changed in the last few years, most clubs don't charge before 11am.

And finally, with less than half the parents attending games, the last thing you want to do is give them another reason not to show up. If you ever see a kid wave to the old man who made his once and only appearance at the footy for the year and then turn in a blinder, you'll understand why charging parents to watch u/14 and u/16 football is a disgrace.

EV you will find that there is a ruling that you can not man your gate b4 11am