Southern Football League

[afc9798]

isnt it logical though?

sfl has a surplus of clubs - and refuse 2 divisions, and also force bottom clubs to remain destined as.... a bottom club

and the saafl has vacancies - where also premierships are regulary in reach, and good times are only a couple of recruits away

Disagree with this premise. In fact one of the highlights of the 2013 season was the resurgence of Hackham, Edwardstown and Christies.
Whilst there are a couple of clubs with a lot of work to do in Aldinga and Lonsdale, the majority of clubs seem on the right track and are developing well.

Lonsdale is in a very tough position with poor facilities, boundaried by much stronger teams and may not be seen as an attractive destination for a junior. However, Lonsdale have put in a lot of hard work and time will tell if it pays off. Only other options are merge, fold or play elsewhere and can't see any of the happening short term.

Aldinga is another set of issues. Great facilities, strong junior presence, but falls away at senior footy. Only real option is to build that junior culture and top up with some experienced talent.

[marbles]

could we do a list of the sfl clubs and note how long its been since their last premiership....

reynella - 2013 and the previous flag?
morphettville ?
brighton ?
marion ?
edwardstown ?
etc
etc

[afc9798]

could we do a list of the sfl clubs and note how long its been since their last premiership....

reynella - 2013 and the previous flag?
morphettville ?
brighton ?
marion ?
edwardstown ?
etc
etc

Here's back to 1981 for you:

1981 Morphett Vale
1982 Noarlunga
1983 Christies Beach
1984 Willunga
1985 Port Noarlunga
1986 Noarlunga
1987 Plympton
1988 Plympton
1989 Plympton
1990 Morphettville Park
1991 Noarlunga
1992 Happy Valley
1993 Happy Valley
1994 Christies Beach
1995 Happy Valley
1996 Happy Valley
1997 Port Noarlunga
1998 Happy Valley
1999 Happy Valley
2000 Marion
2001 Noarlunga
2002 Brighton District and Old Scholars
2003 Happy Valley
2004 Morphett Vale
2005 Morphett Vale
2006 Morphett Vale
2007 Morphett Vale
2008 Cove
2009 Morphett Vale
2010 Reynella
2011 Brighton Bombers
2012 Happy Valley
2013 Reynella

[Down the Hill]

Reynella - 2013
Happy Valley - 2012
Brighton Bombers - 2011
Morphett Vale - 2009
Cove - 2008
Noarlunga - 2001
Marion - 2000
Port Noarlunga - 1997
Christies Beach - 1994
Morphy Park - 1990

OSB/Lonsdale - 2001 (Div 2)
Aldinga - 1993 (Div 2)
Hackham - 1990 (Div 2)
Flagstaff Hill - 1985 (Div 2)
E'Town - 2005 (SAAFL - Div 2)

The last 6 seasons have yielded 5 different Premiership Clubs, which after a quick scan of the Div 1 Premiership list has been equalled on a couple of occasions but I couldn't find any 6 year period of different Premiers.

[Sniper]

Reynella - 2013
Happy Valley - 2012
Brighton Bombers - 2011
Morphett Vale - 2009
Cove - 2008
Noarlunga - 2001
Marion - 2000
Port Noarlunga - 1997
Christies Beach - 1994
Morphy Park - 1990

OSB/Lonsdale - 2001 (Div 2)
Aldinga - 1993 (Div 2)
Hackham - 1990 (Div 2)
Flagstaff Hill - 1985 (Div 2)
E'Town - 2005 (SAAFL - Div 2)

The last 6 seasons have yielded 5 different Premiership Clubs, which after a quick scan of the Div 1 Premiership list has been equalled on a couple of occasions but I couldn't find any 6 year period of different Premiers.

For everything that is said about the SFL, 5 different Premiership clubs in the last 6 years is a great achievement for the league. Which club in the above list would be deemed to be the biggest underachiever since their last Premiership ?

[AFLflyer]

Reynella - 2013
Happy Valley - 2012
Brighton Bombers - 2011
Morphett Vale - 2009
Cove - 2008
Noarlunga - 2001
Marion - 2000
Port Noarlunga - 1997
Christies Beach - 1994
Morphy Park - 1990

OSB/Lonsdale - 2001 (Div 2)
Aldinga - 1993 (Div 2)
Hackham - 1990 (Div 2)
Flagstaff Hill - 1985 (Div 2)
E'Town - 2005 (SAAFL - Div 2)

The last 6 seasons have yielded 5 different Premiership Clubs, which after a quick scan of the Div 1 Premiership list has been equalled on a couple of occasions but I couldn't find any 6 year period of different Premiers.

For everything that is said about the SFL, 5 different Premiership clubs in the last 6 years is a great achievement for the league. Which club in the above list would be deemed to be the biggest underachiever since their last Premiership ?

IMO the bombers, had a cracking side over the last decade and to only win one, i would say definitely underachieved

[Look Good In Leather]

Reynella - 2013
Happy Valley - 2012
Brighton Bombers - 2011
Morphett Vale - 2009
Cove - 2008
Noarlunga - 2001
Marion - 2000
Port Noarlunga - 1997
Christies Beach - 1994
Morphy Park - 1990

OSB/Lonsdale - 2001 (Div 2)
Aldinga - 1993 (Div 2)
Hackham - 1990 (Div 2)
Flagstaff Hill - 1985 (Div 2)
E'Town - 2005 (SAAFL - Div 2)

The last 6 seasons have yielded 5 different Premiership Clubs, which after a quick scan of the Div 1 Premiership list has been equalled on a couple of occasions but I couldn't find any 6 year period of different Premiers.

For everything that is said about the SFL, 5 different Premiership clubs in the last 6 years is a great achievement for the league. Which club in the above list would be deemed to be the biggest underachiever since their last Premiership ?

Doubt many would disagree with Christies Beach, up to that point had missed finals on very few occasions in their history, have only qualified 3 times since

Marion, however has been an even more dramatic drop

[Look Good In Leather]

Reynella - 2013
Happy Valley - 2012
Brighton Bombers - 2011
Morphett Vale - 2009
Cove - 2008
Noarlunga - 2001
Marion - 2000
Port Noarlunga - 1997
Christies Beach - 1994
Morphy Park - 1990

OSB/Lonsdale - 2001 (Div 2)
Aldinga - 1993 (Div 2)
Hackham - 1990 (Div 2)
Flagstaff Hill - 1985 (Div 2)
E'Town - 2005 (SAAFL - Div 2)

The last 6 seasons have yielded 5 different Premiership Clubs, which after a quick scan of the Div 1 Premiership list has been equalled on a couple of occasions but I couldn't find any 6 year period of different Premiers.

For everything that is said about the SFL, 5 different Premiership clubs in the last 6 years is a great achievement for the league. Which club in the above list would be deemed to be the biggest underachiever since their last Premiership ?

IMO the bombers, had a cracking side over the last decade and to only win one, i would say definitely underachieved

Played finals the season following their last premiership, whilst probably underachived, it would hardly be the biggest underachiever.

[fathersonsfl]

Reynella - 2013
Happy Valley - 2012
Brighton Bombers - 2011
Morphett Vale - 2009
Cove - 2008
Noarlunga - 2001
Marion - 2000
Port Noarlunga - 1997
Christies Beach - 1994
Morphy Park - 1990

OSB/Lonsdale - 2001 (Div 2)
Aldinga - 1993 (Div 2)
Hackham - 1990 (Div 2)
Flagstaff Hill - 1985 (Div 2)
E'Town - 2005 (SAAFL - Div 2)

The last 6 seasons have yielded 5 different Premiership Clubs, which after a quick scan of the Div 1 Premiership list has been equalled on a couple of occasions but I couldn't find any 6 year period of different Premiers.

For everything that is said about the SFL, 5 different Premiership clubs in the last 6 years is a great achievement for the league. Which club in the above list would be deemed to be the biggest underachiever since their last Premiership ?

IMO the bombers, had a cracking side over the last decade and to only win one, i would say definitely underachieved

Nearly every club has under achieved since their last premiership.

[Down the Hill]

Bit harsh on the Bombers. Won flags in 2002 and 2011 and beaten Grand Finalists in 2004, 2007, 2010 and 2012. Massive underdogs in 2007 against the unbeaten Morphett Vale and most neutrals didn't expect us to win in 2012. 50/50 in the other 2 years so probably 1 flag short of what we would have liked. Probably should have made the GF in 2009 but that one could be balanced against making the GF in 2007 when we came from 5th. If Morphett Vale weren't around from 2004 to 2009 then several clubs could have picked up another flag or 2 since 2000. Just ask clubs like Strath and Langhorne in the GSFL who were competing against Willunga in the same era that MV were dominant, likewise Imperials and Ramblers in the RMFL when Jervois were dominant during the exact same era.

Noarlunga are the interesting study. Have often finished higher at the end of the minor round than many predicted at the start of the season but regularly exited the finals after week 2 or week 3. Does that mean they have underachieved or have they got the most out of their group in a given season.

A 15 team comp does create some imbalance between the top and bottom clubs which we know has been well documented but that doesn't make it any easier to win a flag when you can have as many as 4 or 5 clubs going into the finals with a realistic chance of making a GF let alone winning it.

[afc9798]

Reynella - 2013
Happy Valley - 2012
Brighton Bombers - 2011
Morphett Vale - 2009
Cove - 2008
Noarlunga - 2001
Marion - 2000
Port Noarlunga - 1997
Christies Beach - 1994
Morphy Park - 1990

OSB/Lonsdale - 2001 (Div 2)
Aldinga - 1993 (Div 2)
Hackham - 1990 (Div 2)
Flagstaff Hill - 1985 (Div 2)
E'Town - 2005 (SAAFL - Div 2)

The last 6 seasons have yielded 5 different Premiership Clubs, which after a quick scan of the Div 1 Premiership list has been equalled on a couple of occasions but I couldn't find any 6 year period of different Premiers.

Nearly every club has under achieved since their last premiership.

Makes Morphett Vales 2003-2007 look pretty special. Would have been awesome to have been an A grader in that period.

[AFLflyer]

Bit harsh on the Bombers. Won flags in 2002 and 2011 and beaten Grand Finalists in 2004, 2007, 2010 and 2012. Massive underdogs in 2007 against the unbeaten Morphett Vale and most neutrals didn't expect us to win in 2012. 50/50 in the other 2 years so probably 1 flag short of what we would have liked. Probably should have made the GF in 2009 but that one could be balanced against making the GF in 2007 when we came from 5th. If Morphett Vale weren't around from 2004 to 2009 then several clubs could have picked up another flag or 2 since 2000. Just ask clubs like Strath and Langhorne in the GSFL who were competing against Willunga in the same era that MV were dominant, likewise Imperials and Ramblers in the RMFL when Jervois were dominant during the exact same era.

Noarlunga are the interesting study. Have often finished higher at the end of the minor round than many predicted at the start of the season but regularly exited the finals after week 2 or week 3. Does that mean they have underachieved or have they got the most out of their group in a given season.

A 15 team comp does create some imbalance between the top and bottom clubs which we know has been well documented but that doesn't make it any easier to win a flag when you can have as many as 4 or 5 clubs going into the finals with a realistic chance of making a GF let alone winning it.

yeah fair call. similar to Renella really. How many times Reynella runners up in the last 15 years. Atleast 5 times i can think of.

[marbles]

thanks down the hill, great work

whats interesting to see is that at least 9 clubs out of 15 havent tasted success since at least 2001 and sadly even worse for others

whats more heart breaking is the efforts of volunteers havent got a hope in hell at some clubs, years and years of pain

good on the powerhouse clubs for their success, but geeze a little bit of glory please for the little battlers maybe once in the next decade

[marbles]

also some clubs their last flag was div 2? does that mean the sfl used to have 2 divisions?

[AFLflyer]

Worth a mention on here,
congrats to Milo and A. Proctor who i believe have retired.
Proccy is the club games record holder and both would be up there on the all time goal kicking list.
well done.

The older brigade are starting to drop off, these two follow S.Smith and S. Middleton from last year.

Will prescott play on?

[Down the Hill]

Yes it did Marbles. I will let LGIL fill you in but the league once peaked at 20 or more clubs playing in 2 Divisions. This dropped to 15 heading into 2002 hence why the move to 1 Division. We lost Kangarilla in 2004 and picked up E'Town in 2009 taking us back to 15.

For those outsiders and some insiders who think we should go back to 2 Divisions, the reality is that 15 clubs is probably not enough to create a split and the other big issue that is not an issue in the SAAFL is the junior structure around the SFL clubs and the impact splitting into 2 Divisions would have on some clubs.

Of the clubs who are struggling at the moment, only one is geographically positioned to even entertain a move to the SAAFL. Any of the others may as well close their doors if remaining in the SFL (1 or 2 Divisions) was no longer viable.

[marbles]

well if marion join div 6 or 7 they should quote should go close to flag within next 3 years. if they stay in sfl would they even make the sfl finals before 2020?

meanwhile is 2 divisions in sfl frowned upon because the juniors would be divided into 2 divisions too or something?

[LaughingKookaburra]

Out of curiosity what harm can having a 7 team comp and 8 team comp have with a top 4 in both grades? I realise the issues with junior teams but seriously to me a 7 team comp by far outweighs putting your league in to disrepute with its results....

[afc9798]

Out of curiosity what harm can having a 7 team comp and 8 team comp have with a top 4 in both grades? I realise the issues with junior teams but seriously to me a 7 team comp by far outweighs putting your league in to disrepute with its results....

Many issues such as a very short final series and issues with juniors potentially being in wrong divisions. Example being Flagstaff who would currently be ranked div 2 in A grade, but Div 1 in all other grades. Don't want our teams playing all over the place, we want 5 games on a Saturday at one ground where possible.

If all grades were in the same division, it would be dominated by the top 2 or 3 teams, so net result would not be much different for the lower clubs.

[LaughingKookaburra]

What other city leagues in Melbourne, Perth or Adelaide play Juniors on Saturday mornings? Don't get me wrong I played juniors and loved it however is this being outdated? I see a shitload of complaints on here and they far outweigh the positives...