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Look Good In Leather wrote:

Courtney Fish wrote:

Look Good In Leather wrote:

Courtney Fish wrote:Replace Valleys with Christies would that please you LGIL?

That was not my point, we hear a lot about how we should split into 2 divisions, but nobody has come up with a model that will work.

The main motivator every time seems to be knee-jerk reactions to some one-sided games, but then a proposer will suggest that a club like Morphettville Park should play in the lower division because they do not have juniors - yet they have been one of the best performed teams so far this year.

I believe a division should be filled by the teams that can field a full set of teams and then one with the rest. Over time the score issues will sort themselves out as the juniors filter through.
Those clubs that don't field Saturday junior teams can either merge, fold or continue along happy with the odd Sunday team (or none at all) but at least they won't stuff up our junior competition/Saturday structure any further.

Maybe no Under 18's could be an exception otherwise Noarlunga, Cove and Morphett Vale won't have a full set of Juniors. So might as well have the twisties in there too.

If their survival in the top division relied upon it, I am sure they would doorknock the entire suburb hunting for the players.

lion heart wrote:Saturdays. Not going to suit everyone (our u18s are severely hampered by college football but still play in the Saturday comp). Flaggies, Reynella, Valley and perhaps a few others will be against the idea. They have huge numbers i understand their concern but is it not the SFL's job to look after the everyone's interests or in this case the majority?

The facts are that the majority of clubs voted for the change to u15/17 - the league for whatever reason decided to overrule it.

Could 15,17s be the requirement for all clubs on a Saturday but still run comps to cater for other age limits on a sunday? I realise it is complicated - no way to keep everyone happy but the SFL clubs should be able to decide their own fate... Where has 15 years with no change got us?

Dutchy wrote:

lion heart wrote:Saturdays. Not going to suit everyone (our u18s are severely hampered by college football but still play in the Saturday comp). Flaggies, Reynella, Valley and perhaps a few others will be against the idea. They have huge numbers i understand their concern but is it not the SFL's job to look after the everyone's interests or in this case the majority?

The facts are that the majority of clubs voted for the change to u15/17 - the league for whatever reason decided to overrule it.

Could 15,17s be the requirement for all clubs on a Saturday but still run comps to cater for other age limits on a sunday? I realise it is complicated - no way to keep everyone happy but the SFL clubs should be able to decide their own fate... Where has 15 years with no change got us?

Im not sure how turning the Sat comp to 15/17's is going to all of a sudden improve the numbers so we have 14 teams across both grades?

Esteban Vihaio wrote:

Look Good In Leather wrote:

Courtney Fish wrote:

Look Good In Leather wrote:[quote="Courtney Fish"]Replace Valleys with Christies would that please you LGIL?

That was not my point, we hear a lot about how we should split into 2 divisions, but nobody has come up with a model that will work.

The main motivator every time seems to be knee-jerk reactions to some one-sided games, but then a proposer will suggest that a club like Morphettville Park should play in the lower division because they do not have juniors - yet they have been one of the best performed teams so far this year.

I believe a division should be filled by the teams that can field a full set of teams and then one with the rest. Over time the score issues will sort themselves out as the juniors filter through.
Those clubs that don't field Saturday junior teams can either merge, fold or continue along happy with the odd Sunday team (or none at all) but at least they won't stuff up our junior competition/Saturday structure any further.

Maybe no Under 18's could be an exception otherwise Noarlunga, Cove and Morphett Vale won't have a full set of Juniors. So might as well have the twisties in there too.

If their survival in the top division relied upon it, I am sure they would doorknock the entire suburb hunting for the players.

Reader wrote:I know what is disrespectful crap, towns turning up to Morphett vale last week with only 2 teams for the whole day.

Dutchy wrote:

lion heart wrote:Saturdays. Not going to suit everyone (our u18s are severely hampered by college football but still play in the Saturday comp). Flaggies, Reynella, Valley and perhaps a few others will be against the idea. They have huge numbers i understand their concern but is it not the SFL's job to look after the everyone's interests or in this case the majority?

The facts are that the majority of clubs voted for the change to u15/17 - the league for whatever reason decided to overrule it.

Could 15,17s be the requirement for all clubs on a Saturday but still run comps to cater for other age limits on a sunday? I realise it is complicated - no way to keep everyone happy but the SFL clubs should be able to decide their own fate... Where has 15 years with no change got us?

Im not sure how turning the Sat comp to 15/17's is going to all of a sudden improve the numbers so we have 14 teams across both grades?

Courtney Fish wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

lion heart wrote:Saturdays. Not going to suit everyone (our u18s are severely hampered by college football but still play in the Saturday comp). Flaggies, Reynella, Valley and perhaps a few others will be against the idea. They have huge numbers i understand their concern but is it not the SFL's job to look after the everyone's interests or in this case the majority?

The facts are that the majority of clubs voted for the change to u15/17 - the league for whatever reason decided to overrule it.

Could 15,17s be the requirement for all clubs on a Saturday but still run comps to cater for other age limits on a sunday? I realise it is complicated - no way to keep everyone happy but the SFL clubs should be able to decide their own fate... Where has 15 years with no change got us?

Im not sure how turning the Sat comp to 15/17's is going to all of a sudden improve the numbers so we have 14 teams across both grades?

I'd say it would be easier to fill an Under 17's than an Under 18's.
And when one club is allowed to field 13 mini's teams the league is setting itself up for more problems down the track. I know its hard telling kids we can't fit you in a side but it has to start at least at Under 8's before they even start at a club. 6 under 8 teams at one club is a joke even if they are 12 a side. Kids will play elsewhere if they really want to play footy. Because most will have to stop playing when they reach seniors anyway because there will be no room for them.

lion heart wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

lion heart wrote:Saturdays. Not going to suit everyone (our u18s are severely hampered by college football but still play in the Saturday comp). Flaggies, Reynella, Valley and perhaps a few others will be against the idea. They have huge numbers i understand their concern but is it not the SFL's job to look after the everyone's interests or in this case the majority?

The facts are that the majority of clubs voted for the change to u15/17 - the league for whatever reason decided to overrule it.

Could 15,17s be the requirement for all clubs on a Saturday but still run comps to cater for other age limits on a sunday? I realise it is complicated - no way to keep everyone happy but the SFL clubs should be able to decide their own fate... Where has 15 years with no change got us?

Im not sure how turning the Sat comp to 15/17's is going to all of a sudden improve the numbers so we have 14 teams across both grades?

Are you serious? Puts far less strain than the current 14/16/18. Use my club for example we could have Saturday u15/17 this year. As it stands we have sunday 14s, saturday 18s. Next year we could fill u18s but with no u16s we likely would not fill u18s for 3 seasons after that.... we are not the only team in that boat. Emus, Cove, Aldinga, Shoes would have fielded both this season (currently have 2.5 sat teams) - Porties, Hackham likely too. We can still cater for other grades on a Sunday but to me 15/17/B/A on a saturday makes too much sense.

I tell you another thing that is a joke- every team having 19 year olds in u18s!!!

lion heart wrote:It could be 13/14/15/16/17 or 13/14/15/17 but 15/17 on a Saturday. 15/17/B/A is attainable for every club on a consistent basis.

I understand Flaggies concern- you have a brilliant junior setup the envy of most clubs i am sure. I know you work hard and are well run but you also have a great catchment zone. We are drawing from a much smaller area - although our numbers are smaller it doesn't mean we are not working hard.

lion heart wrote:It could be 13/14/15/16/17 or 13/14/15/17 but 15/17 on a Saturday. 15/17/B/A is attainable for every club on a consistent basis.

I understand Flaggies concern- you have a brilliant junior setup the envy of most clubs i am sure. I know you work hard and are well run but you also have a great catchment zone. We are drawing from a much smaller area - although our numbers are smaller it doesn't mean we are not working hard.

lion heart wrote:The facts are that the majority of clubs voted for the change to u15/17 - the league for whatever reason decided to overrule it.

Look Good In Leather wrote:

lion heart wrote:It could be 13/14/15/16/17 or 13/14/15/17 but 15/17 on a Saturday. 15/17/B/A is attainable for every club on a consistent basis.

I understand Flaggies concern- you have a brilliant junior setup the envy of most clubs i am sure. I know you work hard and are well run but you also have a great catchment zone. We are drawing from a much smaller area - although our numbers are smaller it doesn't mean we are not working hard.

At the moment 10 clubs have A,B, U/16 & U/14. If we change Saturday football next year to A, B, U/17 & U/15 - 10 clubs have a full set and it will be a much more manageable program - we can all then work to assist the other 5 clubs if they are willing.

As it stands, only 5 of our 15 clubs are currently capable of fielding (or willing to) all 5 Saturday sides. The U/13 age group can play on Sunday, which fits better as the majority of the kids would be of Primary school age and therefore it won't clash with their school football.

lion heart wrote:It could be 13/14/15/16/17 or 13/14/15/17 but 15/17 on a Saturday. 15/17/B/A is attainable for every club on a consistent basis.

I understand Flaggies concern- you have a brilliant junior setup the envy of most clubs i am sure. I know you work hard and are well run but you also have a great catchment zone. We are drawing from a much smaller area - although our numbers are smaller it doesn't mean we are not working hard.

lion heart wrote:

Look Good In Leather wrote:

lion heart wrote:It could be 13/14/15/16/17 or 13/14/15/17 but 15/17 on a Saturday. 15/17/B/A is attainable for every club on a consistent basis.

I understand Flaggies concern- you have a brilliant junior setup the envy of most clubs i am sure. I know you work hard and are well run but you also have a great catchment zone. We are drawing from a much smaller area - although our numbers are smaller it doesn't mean we are not working hard.

At the moment 10 clubs have A,B, U/16 & U/14. If we change Saturday football next year to A, B, U/17 & U/15 - 10 clubs have a full set and it will be a much more manageable program - we can all then work to assist the other 5 clubs if they are willing.

As it stands, only 5 of our 15 clubs are currently capable of fielding (or willing to) all 5 Saturday sides. The U/13 age group can play on Sunday, which fits better as the majority of the kids would be of Primary school age and therefore it won't clash with their school football.

I like 13s on a sunday. u8,10,12,13 sunday. Saturday 15/17/B/A could be workable. That u13 group is probably an age when a lot of kids grow so a 1 year age group could be beneficial.

jet-airport wrote:

lion heart wrote:

Look Good In Leather wrote:

lion heart wrote:It could be 13/14/15/16/17 or 13/14/15/17 but 15/17 on a Saturday. 15/17/B/A is attainable for every club on a consistent basis.

I understand Flaggies concern- you have a brilliant junior setup the envy of most clubs i am sure. I know you work hard and are well run but you also have a great catchment zone. We are drawing from a much smaller area - although our numbers are smaller it doesn't mean we are not working hard.

At the moment 10 clubs have A,B, U/16 & U/14. If we change Saturday football next year to A, B, U/17 & U/15 - 10 clubs have a full set and it will be a much more manageable program - we can all then work to assist the other 5 clubs if they are willing.

As it stands, only 5 of our 15 clubs are currently capable of fielding (or willing to) all 5 Saturday sides. The U/13 age group can play on Sunday, which fits better as the majority of the kids would be of Primary school age and therefore it won't clash with their school football.

I like 13s on a sunday. u8,10,12,13 sunday. Saturday 15/17/B/A could be workable. That u13 group is probably an age when a lot of kids grow so a 1 year age group could be beneficial.

So therefore with highlighted above - A 13- 14 year old kid who has played for a club since u/8's and finds himself outside the best 25-30 players for 15's, will be forced to leave his mates and play for another footy club to continue to play footy!!! where's the development in that system??? they will either stop playing or join another league.
You cannot cut out Sun footy u/14's u/16's or whatever age, as this was set up for keeping kids in footy that are shall we say not as talented as other kids of the same age. Some clubs in our league seem to hold Sunday junior premierships in high regard and are also quite proud of not having Sat sides in underage years.