Edwardstown still looking

[Bluedemon]

as opposed to the city leagues shrek where some clubs struggle to pull any crowd.

i will agree with you there test, the only time we get to see a good crowd is if our side is in the grand final and then they all come out to watch.

[Gator-Aid]

Thought I would wade into this one. I think we should embrace Edwardstown at a time where many leagues around the country are losing clubs or being reduced in size due to mergers. Brighton came into SFL in 1994 with some Juniors and 1997 with Seniors and fielded A & B teams in Div 1 and Div 2 (which didn't really work). This was all a bit radical and I'm sure many established SFL clubs weren't happy but I think you would all agree that we are now part of the SFL furniture and putting rivalries aside, a very respected club on and off the field. The problem Edwardstown has is that most clubs in the Metro South Junior League are only playing under a guernsey and a venue but have very little affiliation with the seniors. I think Goodwood and PHOS Camden may do things well, but my knowledge of the others suggests they are almost completely independent. In Melbourne many clubs are called eg. Keilor Football Club Inc. and Keilor Junior Football Club Inc. They are separate incorporated bodies and virtually run independent of each other except for sharing the same oval and facilities. I think Metro South is pretty much the same (minus the same incorporated structure) for most clubs including Edwardstown. But since when should the "Junior Committee" dictate terms. Do Edwardstown even get any financial benefit from their juniors ?

I have crossed paths with some of the people running the Metro South and they are a bunch of fools who don't give a stuff about how the ovals and facilities they play on even got there, i.e. the hard work of the Senior Club over many years. The other problem is that Edwardstown, PHOS Camben and Plympton in particular rely heavily on college kids, especially Sacred Heart. Some teams (even teams that still made finals) forfeited during school holidays due to too many kids being away. That would never happen in SFL because its a club culture not a school culture.

I like the man!! Well said.

Edwardstwon would be unable to field Under 16 and Under 14 on Saturdays in the short term because most of these kids have college footy. I thought they may come into the Sunday Under 14 and Under 16, but this would not resolve the ideal scenario of getting the 5 match Saturday thing happening and thats why I assume they will be looking at getting into the local public schools in the next couple of years. Problem is, there aren't too many public schools in their immediate area.

The Big Shrek may have upset a few on here, and who really knows or cares what comp is stonger than the other. But I can assure you TBS, that the club and community culture in the SFL from Under 9 through to Seniors is second to none.

[the big bang]

nice responce gator!!

[Down the Hill]

Thought I would wade into this one. I think we should embrace Edwardstown at a time where many leagues around the country are losing clubs or being reduced in size due to mergers. Brighton came into SFL in 1994 with some Juniors and 1997 with Seniors and fielded A & B teams in Div 1 and Div 2 (which didn't really work). This was all a bit radical and I'm sure many established SFL clubs weren't happy but I think you would all agree that we are now part of the SFL furniture and putting rivalries aside, a very respected club on and off the field. The problem Edwardstown has is that most clubs in the Metro South Junior League are only playing under a guernsey and a venue but have very little affiliation with the seniors. I think Goodwood and PHOS Camden may do things well, but my knowledge of the others suggests they are almost completely independent. In Melbourne many clubs are called eg. Keilor Football Club Inc. and Keilor Junior Football Club Inc. They are separate incorporated bodies and virtually run independent of each other except for sharing the same oval and facilities. I think Metro South is pretty much the same (minus the same incorporated structure) for most clubs including Edwardstown. But since when should the "Junior Committee" dictate terms. Do Edwardstown even get any financial benefit from their juniors ?

I have crossed paths with some of the people running the Metro South and they are a bunch of fools who don't give a stuff about how the ovals and facilities they play on even got there, i.e. the hard work of the Senior Club over many years. The other problem is that Edwardstown, PHOS Camben and Plympton in particular rely heavily on college kids, especially Sacred Heart. Some teams (even teams that still made finals) forfeited during school holidays due to too many kids being away. That would never happen in SFL because its a club culture not a school culture.

Edwardstwon would be unable to field Under 16 and Under 14 on Saturdays in the short term because most of these kids have college footy. I thought they may come into the Sunday Under 14 and Under 16, but this would not resolve the ideal scenario of getting the 5 match Saturday thing happening and thats why I assume they will be looking at getting into the local public schools in the next couple of years. Problem is, there aren't too many public schools in their immediate area.

The Big Shrek may have upset a few on here, and who really knows or cares what comp is stonger than the other. But I can assure you TBS, that the club and community culture in the SFL from Under 9 through to Seniors is second to none.

down the hill you are a complete fool, i run the metro south comp and we are not a bunch of fools. we do know how the facilities got there because we are also involved with SAAFL clubs. we know the hard sweat that seniors have done. the fact be known is that some of those senior clubs might not be existing now if it wasnt for the juniors who are propping them up, that would be at least half of the 10 clubs. Who are you involved with DTH? If the SFL junior comp is going so good why have there been some enquiries from at least 3 of your clubs with 2 of them being some top clubs.

we try to cater for all our clubs with any requests by looking after them. You talk about PHOS Camden with there facilites, have you been in their visitors rooms lately, they are the same size as a small shed. there was only 1 team that forfeited a side that you mentioned during the year, that was the edwardstown u/15's, they didnt want to field that side because 3 of there best players were interstate and they were playing against the team that was second on the ladder at that stage.

so DTH, is there any other false information that you want to post and i can answer that for you.

DTH you have just been shown up by kookas.

I would also suggest that the community culutre is second to just about every country league.

Shown up hey!! I know more than you think Kookas and TBS. Remember Kookas, your league has a website, plus I already knew that Plympton Under 13's who made the finals, forfeited on 20 July (school holidays). That side is full of Sacred Heart kids. And what sort of comment is that about Towniess Under 15 forfeited because they were missing some good players. What message does that send to the kids. "A, B & C are missing and the rest of you are no good so we are going to forfeit". Plus I noticed your league didn't even play on 13 July during the middle of school holidays. What sort of "genuine" club competition stops for school holidays. Lets face it Kookas, if the colleges decided to play a round of matches on a Sunday, your entire comp would have to forfeit. When Edwardstown were talking of coming into SFL last year I read something in the Messenger where they were bragging that 22 of their 80 senior players came out of their juniors. Well in SFL the number would be more like 65 out of 80. I'm not denying that the Metro South is a well run competition by people putting in alot of hard work, but what becomes of the kids when they reach 17 and 18. And I love the attitude of "propping up" the senior clubs. Many of those clubs were around a long time before Metro South. If a senior club folded but the Metro South juniors wanted to keep going, will the parents running the juniors (because thats essentially who it is) take responsibility for running the clubrooms, paying the bills for lights, power, council, new guernsies, cleaning etc. etc. I don't think so. It seems to me that Metro South is the "club" made up of 9 or 10 teams running around wearing different guernsies. This is the problem with so many junior sports such as basketball and soccer. Kids play in a team, not for a club, and the politics among parents is a real issue. This is why these sports become a joke once you get to senior level. Is Metro South providing any real pathway for these kids in a club culture ? How many of these kids genuinely want to continue playing for the clubs they currently represent once they leave school and become more independent of their parents.

[Pag]

I'm not from the MSJFL, but up here playing juniors in the CDJFL, the link between the senior and junior sides of footy clubs seems strong. I still play with a number of guys who I played footy with in Under 8s and Under 9s, and a large number of our current senior committee were former members of the junior committee and have made the transfer as their kids have.

Some of you guys seem to think that SFL clubs are the only ones in the state with a decent culture.

[Bluedemon]

DTH there is a lot of players that play for the Club not the Team. i will not deny that there is a small portion of players that wont go on and play senior football for that club but would play with there mates at another club or for the old scholars team at the school that they went to. Edwardstown can brag all they like, they are always trying to sell themselves but tend to fail.

DTH which club are you involved with? what are the strengths of that club? just happy to get some feedback from you.

[Down the Hill]

I'm tied up with the Brighton Bombers Kooka's. Look, I'm not having a crack at MSJFL as such (fools was a bit strong), because the league has given many kids the chance to play club footy, when otherwise unable due to school footy. Its just that I get frustrated with parents who don't see the big picture of running a footy club. We used to have a bit of that element with our Sunday minis but in recent years we have become alot more unified. I suppose I'm a little bitter because we lost some Year 7 Sacred Heart lads to MSJFL this year because the Under 12 and Under 13 comp play for premiership points and finals and the parents just as much as the kids were seemingly looking for something more than just participation. My issue was that they were leaving a club for a team. The irony is that some of these kids will probably want to re-join Brighton down the track. Plus I'm against having consecutive age groups for juniors. Part of a kids development should be moving from say Under 14 to Under 16 and maybe going from being a dominant player to having to work hard to get a kick the next year as a younger player. As you are aware the SFL has started Sunday Under 14 and Under 16 from 2007 and we have been getting players come to us from the MSJFL so it does work both ways. I'm not saying we do things better at Brighton than other clubs, but we have worked really hard in recent years to instill an across club culture. Things are no different at most SFL clubs.

[shoe boy]

I'm tied up with the Brighton Bombers Kooka's. Look, I'm not having a crack at MSJFL as such (fools was a bit strong), because the league has given many kids the chance to play club footy, when otherwise unable due to school footy. Its just that I get frustrated with parents who don't see the big picture of running a footy club. We used to have a bit of that element with our Sunday minis but in recent years we have become alot more unified. I suppose I'm a little bitter because we lost some Year 7 Sacred Heart lads to MSJFL this year because the Under 12 and Under 13 comp play for premiership points and finals and the parents just as much as the kids were seemingly looking for something more than just participation. My issue was that they were leaving a club for a team. The irony is that some of these kids will probably want to re-join Brighton down the track. Plus I'm against having consecutive age groups for juniors. Part of a kids development should be moving from say Under 14 to Under 16 and maybe going from being a dominant player to having to work hard to get a kick the next year as a younger player. As you are aware the SFL has started Sunday Under 14 and Under 16 from 2007 and we have been getting players come to us from the MSJFL so it does work both ways. I'm not saying we do things better at Brighton than other clubs, but we have worked really hard in recent years to instill an across club culture. Things are no different at most SFL clubs.

Agree DTH with them comments but not knowing alot about MSJFL it appears that EFC are two seperate identity's and this concerns me and other SFL sides.

[Bluedemon]

I'm tied up with the Brighton Bombers Kooka's. Look, I'm not having a crack at MSJFL as such (fools was a bit strong), because the league has given many kids the chance to play club footy, when otherwise unable due to school footy. Its just that I get frustrated with parents who don't see the big picture of running a footy club. We used to have a bit of that element with our Sunday minis but in recent years we have become alot more unified. I suppose I'm a little bitter because we lost some Year 7 Sacred Heart lads to MSJFL this year because the Under 12 and Under 13 comp play for premiership points and finals and the parents just as much as the kids were seemingly looking for something more than just participation. My issue was that they were leaving a club for a team. The irony is that some of these kids will probably want to re-join Brighton down the track. Plus I'm against having consecutive age groups for juniors. Part of a kids development should be moving from say Under 14 to Under 16 and maybe going from being a dominant player to having to work hard to get a kick the next year as a younger player. As you are aware the SFL has started Sunday Under 14 and Under 16 from 2007 and we have been getting players come to us from the MSJFL so it does work both ways. I'm not saying we do things better at Brighton than other clubs, but we have worked really hard in recent years to instill an across club culture. Things are no different at most SFL clubs.

i agree with the above comments there, i am also involved with kenilworth and we have always pushed the club aspect to the all the kids and parents to make them feel welcome. the unfortunate thing though is that there are some parents who try to win flags through there kids by pushing them to the stronger teams. we are always going to change players through both our junior systems. question to ask you DTH, what is Morphetville park like as a junior club?

[Down the Hill]

Morphy Parks have really tried hard to re-establish their junior programme and have some decent minis numbers. Both Morphy Parks and Marion juniors have suffered due to school closures such as Glengowrie, Marion, Dover and Mitchell Park (now Hamilton) being more a mature age school. In recent years both have struggled to field junior sides on Saturday mornings. In 2008 Marion had Under 16 and Morphy Parks had no juniors. Both have got some good Mini's groups coming through but not sure how many are at Colleges. Morphy Park were pretty close to having Sunday Under 14 in 2008 and a good chance of having a side in 2009. Their Year 6/7 side was pretty good so they are a good chance of having Under 14's. Marion also had a good Year 6/7 side. Ideally, clubs will want to field junior sides on a Saturday but the SFL have indicated they will support entry into the Sunday comp if it means getting a side up. This will give the SFL Sunday comp more credibility and gives local college kids an alternative to the MSJFL.

[The Yetti]

Morphy Parks have really tried hard to re-establish their junior programme and have some decent minis numbers. Both Morphy Parks and Marion juniors have suffered due to school closures such as Glengowrie, Marion, Dover and Mitchell Park (now Hamilton) being more a mature age school. In recent years both have struggled to field junior sides on Saturday mornings. In 2008 Marion had Under 16 and Morphy Parks had no juniors. Both have got some good Mini's groups coming through but not sure how many are at Colleges. Morphy Park were pretty close to having Sunday Under 14 in 2008 and a good chance of having a side in 2009. Their Year 6/7 side was pretty good so they are a good chance of having Under 14's. Marion also had a good Year 6/7 side. Ideally, clubs will want to field junior sides on a Saturday but the SFL have indicated they will support entry into the Sunday comp if it means getting a side up. This will give the SFL Sunday comp more credibility and gives local college kids an alternative to the MSJFL.

Try being at Kangarilla, McLaren, Noarlunga, Myponga
We don't even have a High School

[the big bang]

aldinga?

[The Yetti]

aldinga?

Sorry TBB
It is hard to think of all the clubs.
Aldinga probably has the toughest gig.
Willunga High where a lot of your kids go to school

Go to school at Willunga, then walk to Willunga Oval for Training
then all pile in a couple of cars to go home

Willunga Wins, Aldinga loses, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga cant get juniors, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga can't get a b grade side, more go to Willunga

[the big bang]

yeh, thats about the way it goes!

FUN FUN!!!!

[Buddah_44]

aldinga?

Sorry TBB
It is hard to think of all the clubs.
Aldinga probably has the toughest gig.
Willunga High where a lot of your kids go to school

Go to school at Willunga, then walk to Willunga Oval for Training
then all pile in a couple of cars to go home

Willunga Wins, Aldinga loses, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga cant get juniors, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga can't get a b grade side, more go to Willunga

Yeah but things will turn around soon for the black and gold

Aldinga recruits mini's from new homes
Aldinga holds onto mini's
Mini's dominate U14's
U14's get a taste for a flag under Aldinga colours, Play 300 games in seniors and become life members
In my eyes its a Win Win for us

[The Yetti]

aldinga?

Sorry TBB
It is hard to think of all the clubs.
Aldinga probably has the toughest gig.
Willunga High where a lot of your kids go to school

Go to school at Willunga, then walk to Willunga Oval for Training
then all pile in a couple of cars to go home

Willunga Wins, Aldinga loses, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga cant get juniors, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga can't get a b grade side, more go to Willunga

Yeah but things will turn around soon for the black and gold

Aldinga recruits mini's from new homes
Aldinga holds onto mini's
Mini's dominate U14's
U14's get a taste for a flag under Aldinga colours, Play 300 games in seniors and become life members
In my eyes its a Win Win for us

Some of those minis arent even born yet buddah
will take some time

[Buddah_44]

aldinga?

Sorry TBB
It is hard to think of all the clubs.
Aldinga probably has the toughest gig.
Willunga High where a lot of your kids go to school

Go to school at Willunga, then walk to Willunga Oval for Training
then all pile in a couple of cars to go home

Willunga Wins, Aldinga loses, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga cant get juniors, more go to Willunga
Willunga Wins, Aldinga can't get a b grade side, more go to Willunga

Yeah but things will turn around soon for the black and gold

Aldinga recruits mini's from new homes
Aldinga holds onto mini's
Mini's dominate U14's
U14's get a taste for a flag under Aldinga colours, Play 300 games in seniors and become life members
In my eyes its a Win Win for us

Some of those minis arent even born yet buddah
will take some time

Yeah its more of a guideline than an actual rule

[the big bang]

sounds like a plan to me buddah!

[fisho mcspaz]

Aldinga should get an alpaca or something to stick out the front of the club - everyone loves an alpaca. If that doesn't recruit people, I don't know what will.

[the big bang]

interesting fisho. i'll be sure to mention this to a member of the commitee to take to their first meeting tomorrow night.