Southern Football League

[AFLflyer]

Agree with lion heart - Damian you are way off the mark, however i agree about woewodin.

I think AC will make you eat your words by the end of his career! fantastic player already @ 22. Much more to come from him, one would say..

[damian]

Agree with lion heart - Damian you are way off the mark, however i agree about woewodin.

I think AC will make you eat your words by the end of his career! fantastic player already @ 22. Much more to come from him, one would say..

I did say he will win atleast one more, i just don't think he was very deserving of the one he collected monday night.

[know all]

Agree with lion heart - Damian you are way off the mark, however i agree about woewodin.

I think AC will make you eat your words by the end of his career! fantastic player already @ 22. Much more to come from him, one would say..

I did say he will win atleast one more, i just don't think he was very deserving of the one he collected monday night.

Even eisten had his knockers

[AFLflyer]

Agree with lion heart - Damian you are way off the mark, however i agree about woewodin.

I think AC will make you eat your words by the end of his career! fantastic player already @ 22. Much more to come from him, one would say..

I did say he will win atleast one more, i just don't think he was very deserving of the one he collected monday night.

Very consistant and damaging in the games that I watched and the ones that I didnt raked me some good points in fantasy footy.

who's the crows player your talking about - Mcleod? he should have got one ahead of AKKA in 2001. Thats what happens with this type of award, some say ablett deserved the last two years!

[Brock Landers]

Agree with lion heart - Damian you are way off the mark, however i agree about woewodin.

I think AC will make you eat your words by the end of his career! fantastic player already @ 22. Much more to come from him, one would say..

I did say he will win atleast one more, i just don't think he was very deserving of the one he collected monday night.

Even eisten had his knockers

Who?

[know all]

Agree with lion heart - Damian you are way off the mark, however i agree about woewodin.

I think AC will make you eat your words by the end of his career! fantastic player already @ 22. Much more to come from him, one would say..

I did say he will win atleast one more, i just don't think he was very deserving of the one he collected monday night.

Even eisten had his knockers

Who?

Exactly

[shoe boy]

All you M/Vale lads,I hear that Hilly is still not well. All at the Shoe wish him a speedy recovery and get well soon

[damian]

Agree with lion heart - Damian you are way off the mark, however i agree about woewodin.

I think AC will make you eat your words by the end of his career! fantastic player already @ 22. Much more to come from him, one would say..

I did say he will win atleast one more, i just don't think he was very deserving of the one he collected monday night.

Very consistant and damaging in the games that I watched and the ones that I didnt raked me some good points in fantasy footy.

who's the crows player your talking about - Mcleod? he should have got one ahead of AKKA in 2001. Thats what happens with this type of award, some say ablett deserved the last two years!

Yes thats him. I think he was unlucky in 2001, but akka was still a worthy winner. Ablett would have clearly been a deserved winner, i think there is about 5 players that are each year and Cooney just wasn't in my 5 this year. Ablett, Bartel, Harvey, Richardson and Black were my deserved winners this year. Bartel after winning last year, averaged more posessions and kicked more goals this season but polled quite poorly, so sometimes i wonder what the umpires take into account at the end of each game.

[damian]

An interesting article here, my question to you posters on here - Is the Brownlow losing it's credability? And is it the umpires we blame? I say yes to both.

Although other awards aren't as huge in the media, i think they hold more credability. Awards like the AFL Players association award (voted on by AFL players) and the Lou Richards Medal (awarded by men that know a little bit about football). Not many people ever disagree with these awards, they are voted on by people that know what they are doing.

Vote's don't add up as Brownlow fails to sort the GOODES from the bad

THE round five match against Geelong did not get off to a good start for Adam Goodes. He slipped, slid and fell repeatedly before having to go off and change his boots.

Things just seemed to get worse from there.

Goodes managed 14 possessions for the game, took only two marks and made five tackles but was forced to watch as Jimmy Bartel, (27 possessions, 10 tackles, 2 goals), Steve Johnson (22 possessions, 4 goals) and Gary Ablett (35 disposals, 3 goals) blew the Swans off Skilled Stadium.

After the match, Swans coach Paul Roos delivered an unusual broadside at his player.

"Goodesy has struggled again and that's a massive concern," Roos said.

"You get 35 (touches) and three goals from Gary Ablett and probably our key player, our best player, has a really bad day. It makes it really difficult on the other players and Goodesy knows that part of being a good player is that responsibility."

Roos complained that he had to shift Goodes around to try to get him into the game. But what would Paul Roos know about good football?

If the Brownlow is any guide, Goodes must have had a blinder. OK, so Ablett got the three votes and Joel Selwood one, but the umpires gifted Goodes two whole Brownlow votes -- just imagine how many he would have got had he played well. By the way, Johnson and Bartel did not rate a nod. Maybe, you might think, the umpires were giving a charity vote to a Swans side that had its score doubled by the Cats.

Well, maybe, but if that is the case Brett Kirk (23 possessions, 6 marks, 7 tackles) might have got a look in or even Jarrad McVeigh, who did almost as well.

Goodes is a fine player, without doubt. He is a worthy winner of two Brownlow medals and one of eight in the history of the game to have a double set (four players have three), but there is no doubt that some players attract votes and others repel them.

Ron Barassi, Leigh Matthews, Gary Ablett (senior and junior). Royce Hart, John Nicholls, Alex Jesaulenko and Wayne Carey are among many champion players who never got to take Chas home.

"Clearly there are guys who play a reasonable game and get votes and there are guys who play exceptional games and get votes," Roos said yesterday.

"If you look at the history of the medal there are significant vote catchers and some guys who don't get votes at all."

Goodes, who was ineligible this year, scored 21 votes on Monday night, nine clear of Kirk who was next best at the Swans.

You can be sure the club's best and fairest voting does not reflect the umpires' view.

Last year Geelong's Bartel won the Brownlow. It apparently raised the bar so high he could not live up to the standards he set.

Or perhaps something happened in the summer break that made him invisible to the umpires.

In round 18, Bartel had a regulation 32 touches, 8 tackles and kicked a couple of goals. Round 21 was spectacular by even his standards with 37 touches, including 11 marks. Bartel, according to the Brownlow broadcaster, had leather poisoning that round as he got a big donut from the umpires for both efforts.

Possession might be nine tenths of the law, but possession is apparently not always nine tenths of a Brownlow vote. Bartel only managed 10 votes in 2008.

And the lesson is? Get your money on Goodes next year and pray he doesn't get rubbed out or injured like he did this year.

[shoe boy]

An interesting article here, my question to you posters on here - Is the Brownlow losing it's credability? And is it the umpires we blame? I say yes to both.

Although other awards aren't as huge in the media, i think they hold more credability. Awards like the AFL Players association award (voted on by AFL players) and the Lou Richards Medal (awarded by men that know a little bit about football). Not many people ever disagree with these awards, they are voted on by people that know what they are doing.

Vote's don't add up as Brownlow fails to sort the GOODES from the bad

THE round five match against Geelong did not get off to a good start for Adam Goodes. He slipped, slid and fell repeatedly before having to go off and change his boots.

Things just seemed to get worse from there.

Goodes managed 14 possessions for the game, took only two marks and made five tackles but was forced to watch as Jimmy Bartel, (27 possessions, 10 tackles, 2 goals), Steve Johnson (22 possessions, 4 goals) and Gary Ablett (35 disposals, 3 goals) blew the Swans off Skilled Stadium.

After the match, Swans coach Paul Roos delivered an unusual broadside at his player.

"Goodesy has struggled again and that's a massive concern," Roos said.

"You get 35 (touches) and three goals from Gary Ablett and probably our key player, our best player, has a really bad day. It makes it really difficult on the other players and Goodesy knows that part of being a good player is that responsibility."

Roos complained that he had to shift Goodes around to try to get him into the game. But what would Paul Roos know about good football?

If the Brownlow is any guide, Goodes must have had a blinder. OK, so Ablett got the three votes and Joel Selwood one, but the umpires gifted Goodes two whole Brownlow votes -- just imagine how many he would have got had he played well. By the way, Johnson and Bartel did not rate a nod. Maybe, you might think, the umpires were giving a charity vote to a Swans side that had its score doubled by the Cats.

Well, maybe, but if that is the case Brett Kirk (23 possessions, 6 marks, 7 tackles) might have got a look in or even Jarrad McVeigh, who did almost as well.

Goodes is a fine player, without doubt. He is a worthy winner of two Brownlow medals and one of eight in the history of the game to have a double set (four players have three), but there is no doubt that some players attract votes and others repel them.

Ron Barassi, Leigh Matthews, Gary Ablett (senior and junior). Royce Hart, John Nicholls, Alex Jesaulenko and Wayne Carey are among many champion players who never got to take Chas home.

"Clearly there are guys who play a reasonable game and get votes and there are guys who play exceptional games and get votes," Roos said yesterday.

"If you look at the history of the medal there are significant vote catchers and some guys who don't get votes at all."

Goodes, who was ineligible this year, scored 21 votes on Monday night, nine clear of Kirk who was next best at the Swans.

You can be sure the club's best and fairest voting does not reflect the umpires' view.

Last year Geelong's Bartel won the Brownlow. It apparently raised the bar so high he could not live up to the standards he set.

Or perhaps something happened in the summer break that made him invisible to the umpires.

In round 18, Bartel had a regulation 32 touches, 8 tackles and kicked a couple of goals. Round 21 was spectacular by even his standards with 37 touches, including 11 marks. Bartel, according to the Brownlow broadcaster, had leather poisoning that round as he got a big donut from the umpires for both efforts.

Possession might be nine tenths of the law, but possession is apparently not always nine tenths of a Brownlow vote. Bartel only managed 10 votes in 2008.

And the lesson is? Get your money on Goodes next year and pray he doesn't get rubbed out or injured like he did this year.

GOOD post Damian,I for one follow the soccer and over their the players vote is the most recognized award. Being voted by your peers is surely more rewarding than the umps?? Only my opinion

[damian]

That's what the forums is for, opinions. Be interesting to hear what other posters think.

[cyclops]

That's what the forums is for, opinions. Be interesting to hear what other posters think.

Yeh i wona know wot the hell all this talk about the brownlow has to do with the sfl.

[A Mum]

That's what the forums is for, opinions. Be interesting to hear what other posters think.

Yeh i wona know wot the hell all this talk about the brownlow has to do with the sfl.

I think it's the F in the middle of the S and L



Cyclops... maybe Damian just values your input/opinions

[Zelezny Chucks]

How do they work out the 3-2-1 anyway? Who has the final say on who gets what between the 3 umpires?

3 differing opinions and views on the game, as shown by complete inconsistency between 2 (sometimes 3) umps in the same game.

Umpires would have way too much on their plates in this era of football to be able to tell who has had the best game.

[AFLflyer]

That's what the forums is for, opinions. Be interesting to hear what other posters think.

Rightly or wrongly in the AFL nothing will EVER mean more than the brownlow medal, its the most decorated individual honour in Australia. Yes, umpires do make some interesting selections at times, but on the whole they are around the mark. this tradition will never die and always be the holy grail of sports awards in this country.

between the three field umpires surely they can make resasonable decisions. I wonder if they get use of stats from each match, i think this could cloud their decisions more than help them?

[damian]

That's what the forums is for, opinions. Be interesting to hear what other posters think.

Rightly or wrongly in the AFL nothing will EVER mean more than the brownlow medal, its the most decorated individual honour in Australia. Yes, umpires do make some interesting selections at times, but on the whole they are around the mark. this tradition will never die and always be the holy grail of sports awards in this country.

between the three field umpires surely they can make resasonable decisions. I wonder if they get use of stats from each match, i think this could cloud their decisions more than help them?

I don't think they need stats after the game to help them, we don't necessarily want the players with the most stats to get the votes, but the players that have the biggest impact on each game. If a full forward has 10 kicks and boots 7 goals, he has dominated his position and had a pretty big impact on the game, should poll a vote. 40 touches in a side that loses by ten goals should not get a mention 9 out of 10 times.

[MatteeG]

Once again people rating non-vote games by possessions. Couldnt give a damn if someone has 40 possessions, it doesnt make you a match winner or vote getter. Gees, if thats all it took Joel Bowden would have 3 Brownlows...

Mind you, those umps do love Goodesy dont they?

Finally, " I spent the last couple of days with an AFL player that has been unlucky not to win a Brownlow, we didn't even watch the count monday night, but when we heard, he wasn't to happy that it was given to Cooney."

Damien if this is true then McLeod is a sook. Guess he will have to cry into his 2 Norm Smiths and 2 premiership medals. Poor Bloke. FFS.

[damian]

Don't know what it was, but i know i would be pretty pissed of to have had a career like him and not have a Chas Brownlow and then see Cooney win one from out of left field.

[Swooper16]

And likewise Cooney must be pretty Pi$$ed off not to be in a DVD doco with Lleyton Hewitt....

[The Hunter]

For what its worth, i think the umpires need to start giving their votes to the players that have the biggest influence on the game whether they are an on-baller, forward or defender. Who ever plays their position the best deserves the votes. Not because of who you are (Goodes). 40 touches definately does not warant 3 brownlow votes if they are all cheap or your backman has kept Buddy to nothing, had 10 himself and spoiled 15 times. However, i recon the mid-fielder would get the votes.