UMPIRING

[ddonkey]

Just on the umpires yesterday...

First of all, they had no bearing on the game, we lost it for ourselves and the umpiring was terrible for both sides...

Some examples are...

A team kicking a point, that was almost out on the full, called a goal

A team kicking it out on the full, called a point

A player running through his own teams mark, which i obviously couldnt follow him, and he ended up with the ball 25 meters up the ground. When i asked the ump why he let him run through the mark, his explanation was that a player can run through his team mates mark, but the opposition cant...WRONG!!!

Also there was a fair few "too many players in the center square" rules called...which was fine because there was a couple of times...but one of the was against Aldinga...but what happened was they only had 3 in the center, so one ran in just before the bounce and they gave us the free. Fair enough it was a young kid doing the boundary who call it, and im not having a go at him, but it was pointed out to the field umpire who didnt even bother to count for himself...

I got tackled across the chest and it was called high...an Aldinga player taken higher than i was about 20 seconds later, play on....

I understand that we would get the less qualified umpires, but still, they should know the rules as well as i do, if not better...

if you are following a player that runs through the mark you are allowed to follow him through.

i think youll find ytou cant

Refer Rule 18.1 (e)

[footy1992]

Just on the umpires yesterday...

First of all, they had no bearing on the game, we lost it for ourselves and the umpiring was terrible for both sides...

Some examples are...

A team kicking a point, that was almost out on the full, called a goal

A team kicking it out on the full, called a point

A player running through his own teams mark, which i obviously couldnt follow him, and he ended up with the ball 25 meters up the ground. When i asked the ump why he let him run through the mark, his explanation was that a player can run through his team mates mark, but the opposition cant...WRONG!!!

Also there was a fair few "too many players in the center square" rules called...which was fine because there was a couple of times...but one of the was against Aldinga...but what happened was they only had 3 in the center, so one ran in just before the bounce and they gave us the free. Fair enough it was a young kid doing the boundary who call it, and im not having a go at him, but it was pointed out to the field umpire who didnt even bother to count for himself...

I got tackled across the chest and it was called high...an Aldinga player taken higher than i was about 20 seconds later, play on....

I understand that we would get the less qualified umpires, but still, they should know the rules as well as i do, if not better...

if you are following a player that runs through the mark you are allowed to follow him through.

i think youll find ytou cant

Refer Rule 18.1 (e)

that rule relates to the 5 metre protected area not crossing the mark.

[Dig]

paul crate does ok

yeah cratey is always consistent. there was also an old fella years ago who umpired for a long time in the SFL, can't think of his name, but he was good. need more like these two.

[Bag The Points]

Barry Bromilow ?

[ddonkey]

if you are following a player that runs through the mark you are allowed to follow him through.

i think youll find ytou cant

Refer Rule 18.1 (e)

that rule relates to the 5 metre protected area not crossing the mark.

I'm pretty sure that the mark is within the protected area!

[footy1992]

i think youll find ytou cant[/quote]

Refer Rule 18.1 (e)[/quote]
that rule relates to the 5 metre protected area not crossing the mark.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the mark is within the protected area![/quote]

Yes. your correct. but im sure theres a rule somewhere. Too the rule book i go!

[Bag The Points]

Couldn't possibly let one go through and not the other ----- otherwise you'd see it all the time in AFL. What a wonderful way to shake off a tag !!

[footy1992]

i think youll find ytou cant

Refer Rule 18.1 (e)[/quote]
that rule relates to the 5 metre protected area not crossing the mark.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the mark is within the protected area![/quote]

Yes. your correct. but im sure theres a rule somewhere. Too the rule book i go![/quote]

hahah okay i conciede. I am incorrect. as long as you are withn 5 metres of a teammate!

[HH3]

Couldn't possibly let one go through and not the other ----- otherwise you'd see it all the time in AFL. What a wonderful way to shake off a tag !!

yeah thats what i mean...i WAS tagging him...he ran through, i couldnt...and i still got warned by the ump to not even try...so he ran off and got the next kick down the field while i had to run around the back of the player taking the kick...

[Dig]

Couldn't possibly let one go through and not the other ----- otherwise you'd see it all the time in AFL. What a wonderful way to shake off a tag !!

yeah thats what i mean...i WAS tagging him...he ran through, i couldnt...and i still got warned by the ump to not even try...so he ran off and got the next kick down the field while i had to run around the back of the player taking the kick...

You would think this would be the case BTP, but I do recall it happening in a few games I have played in, but I think the ump may have missed it. If your ump was correct HH3 maybe it should be changed as it doesn't make sense or seem fair. Very frustrating if it's your opponent running through and getting in the clear.

[the big bang]

i think the rule is something like, if the player runs through the mark, he cant immediatly receive the ball?

[Zelezny Chucks]

You are allowed to follow your direct opponent through the mark.

[Dig]

yeah cratey is always consistent. there was also an old fella years ago who umpired for a long time in the SFL, can't think of his name, but he was good. need more like these two.

Barry Bromilow ?

Reg Burgess was who I was thinking of BTP, but that may be going back even longer than I thought, because now that I think about it he used to umpire when I was playing juniors.

[Bag The Points]

yeah cratey is always consistent. there was also an old fella years ago who umpired for a long time in the SFL, can't think of his name, but he was good. need more like these two.

Barry Bromilow ?

Reg Burgess was who I was thinking of BTP, but that may be going back even longer than I thought, because now that I think about it he used to umpire when I was playing juniors.

I remember Reg well ---- top bloke and top umpire.

[The Note Book]

i think youll find ytou cant

Refer Rule 18.1 (e)[/quote]
that rule relates to the 5 metre protected area not crossing the mark.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the mark is within the protected area![/quote]

Yes. your correct. but im sure theres a rule somewhere. Too the rule book i go![/quote]


To settle this once and for all.....The rule is the marking player has a 5 metre protection zone (front, back, left, right). If for example you have a guy which takes a long run up & your opponent runs through the mark & this is more than 5 metres from the player kicking the ball, then this is allow. If however he is within 5 metres then you have infringed the ruling of going within 5 metres of the protection zone.

It is an umpires call...probably best not to run through the mark cos 9/10 the umpire will call you up on 'infringing the marking players protection zone' THAT is what you are giving away the free for, not running through the mark as such...

[Dig]

So the team mates of the player who has possession can run through the mark closer to him than 5 metres, and the opposition player can run through the mark but must not go within 5 metres of him? Is this correct Note Book?

[The Note Book]

So the team mates of the player who has possession can run through the mark closer to him than 5 metres, and the opposition player can run through the mark but must not go within 5 metres of him? Is this correct Note Book?

No - neither player are suppose to within 5 metres of the player who has the mark. As previously mentioned - say you mark the ball go back 15 metres to kick the ball - one of your teammates runs through the mark near the guy standing the mark (15 metres away) and the opposition player follows him, this is suppose to be ok according to the rules. However as prevously mentioned it's an umpires call as to how far away they are & this is normally were the mistake lies & a free kick is given.

IF the marking player handballs/kicks the ball to one of his teammates running pass within 5 metres - it is deemed he has gone off his line 'play-on' is the call.

[ddonkey]

i think youll find ytou cant

Refer Rule 18.1 (e)

that rule relates to the 5 metre protected area not crossing the mark.

I'm pretty sure that the mark is within the protected area!

Yes. your correct. but im sure theres a rule somewhere. Too the rule book i go![/quote]


To settle this once and for all.....The rule is the marking player has a 5 metre protection zone (front, back, left, right). If for example you have a guy which takes a long run up & your opponent runs through the mark & this is more than 5 metres from the player kicking the ball, then this is allow. If however he is within 5 metres then you have infringed the ruling of going within 5 metres of the protection zone.

It is an umpires call...probably best not to run through the mark cos 9/10 the umpire will call you up on 'infringing the marking players protection zone' THAT is what you are giving away the free for, not running through the mark as such... [/quote]

What are you on TNB? The protected area is 10m wide (5m either side of the line and direction of the kick) from the mark to wherever the player taking the kick is plus a 5m arc around the back and sides of him. Therefor to run anywhere between him and the mark or within the 5m arc around the kicker or any other part of the protected area, unless following an opponent and being within 5m of that opponent, is an infringement.

[HH3]

yeah im pretty sure you cant run between the kicking player and the mark...thats what the marks for...otherwise wouldnt the player on the mark just creep up to within 5 meters of the kicker all the time...

i think we need someone that knows the rules to comment..

[LaughingKookaburra]

I think the question that needs to be asked in all of this is how far behind your direct opponent were you when he ran through the mark? Because if you are any more than 5 metres that means you are out of the play. As a tagger your instinct would be to follow him where ever he goes,so why did you not follow him through if you were right on his tail? Lets be honest here as it may explain the whole thing....