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leftpeg wrote:This is gettin beyond boring!!! all these posts about the two division topic.. and i don't see any suggestions on how this will actually work!!
It is clear that majority of people are in favour of two divisions, so there is NOOOO need to continue to post on hear every week complaining after there are 10 goal plus margins in the results!
The biggest problem is what structure the 2 division will take.. can I suggest that you do not post on here unless discussing potential structures of 2 divisions... Lets get heaps of different structures out there so that any potential SFL sub-committee can look at the pros & cons of each.. this may actually get us somewhere rather than continually complaining: "hurry up SFL we need two divisions"

so heres a potential system for 2013

Div 1
Brighton
Morphett Vale
Noarlunga
Happy Valley
Flagstaff Hill
Reynella
Cove
Port Noarlunga

*All Div 1 clubs will have 5 saturday sides..*
All clubs play each other 3 times over 21 rounds
Top 4 play Finals
First week of Finals:
1 v 2 for GF spot
3 v 4 Elimination
Second week of Finals
Loser 1v2 Vs Winner 3v4 for GF Spot
Third week of Finals:Grand Final

so Div 1 will have 21 weeks of Minor Rnds + 3 weeks of Finals (this matches the old 20 weeks of Minor Rnd + 4 weeks of Finals)

Div 2
Hackham
Christies Beach
Edwardstown
Aldinga
OSB/Lonsdale
Morphettville Park
Marion

All clubs have A & B grade sides
clubs play each other 3 times over 18 rounds
top 4 finals system which is identical to div 1
so Div 2 will have 18 weeks of Minor Rnd + 3 weeks of Finals

Any Div 2 clubs U14s & U16s too play in Sunday Comps along with any Div 1 Clubs U14&U16 2nd sides

Potential Div 2 U18 Saturday Comp involving:
Edwardstown
Hackham
Aldinga
Christies Beach
(all above clubs have U18 side in 2012 comp)
plus the addition of potential U18 sides from Marion, OSB Lonsdale & Morphy Parks all who have U16s sides competing in 2012 so hopefully can retain players moving from U16s to U18s in 2013

I know its not perfect but its a start!

lion heart wrote:What do people think of this?

Div 1

Reynella
Brighton
Morphett Vale
Cove
Valley
Noarlunga
PT Noarlunga
Flagstaff

Good competitive games every week and ALL clubs have a full set of juniors and would save all the whinging re programming (all teams could play at the same oval).


Div 2

Edwardstown - Could be div 1 if they decide to bring 14/16's to Southern league
Christies
OSB/Lonsdale
Morphettville Pk
Marion
Aldinga
Hackham
Kangies - would return to a 2 div SFL

Good competitive games most weeks but more importantly no embarassing 50 goal losses. Junior comp wouldnt feature all clubs in all grades but being a more competitive comp would give all clubs a good chance to rebuild their juniors. Most importantly all clubs in both divisions would feel they are only a few years away from a premiership - which is what we all play for.

The league could look at expanding also former SFL teams like Mitchell pk or Meadows could be interested in a return.Kenilworth, Glenunga and Colonal Light Gdns have shown interest in the past. Another longshot could include Plympton?

leftpeg wrote:This is gettin beyond boring!!! all these posts about the two division topic.. and i don't see any suggestions on how this will actually work!!
It is clear that majority of people are in favour of two divisions, so there is NOOOO need to continue post on hear every week complaining after there are 10 goal plus margins in the results!
The biggest problem is what structure the 2 division will take.. can I suggest that you do not post on here unless discussing potential structures of 2 divisions... Lets get heaps of different structures out there so that any potential SFL sub-committee can look at the pros & cons of each.. this may actually get us somewhere rather than continually complaining
"hurry up SFL we need two divisions"

so heres a potential system for 2013

Div 1
Brighton
Morphett Vale
Noarlunga
Happy Valley
Flagstaff Hill
Reynella
Cove
Port Noarlunga

*All Div 1 clubs will have 5 saturday sides..*
All clubs play each other 3 times over 21 rounds
Top 4 play Finals
First week of Finals:
1 v 2 for GF spot
3 v 4 Elimination
Second week of Finals
Loser 1v2 Vs Winner 3v4 for GF Spot
Third week of Finals:Grand Final
so Div 1 has 21 weeks of Minor Rnd + 3 weeks of Finals (this matches the old 20 weeks of Minor Rnd + 4 weeks of Finals)

Div 2
Hackham
Christies Beach
Edwardstown
Aldinga
OSB/Lonsdale
Morphettville Park
Marion

All clubs have A & B grade sides
clubs play each other 3 times over 18 rounds
top 4 finals system which is identical to div 1
so Div 2 has 18 weeks of Minor Rnd + 3 weeks of Finals

Any Div 2 clubs U14s & U16s too play in Sunday Comps along with any Div 1 Clubs U14&U16 2nd sides

Potential Div 2 U18 Saturday Comp involving:
Edwardstown
Hackham
Aldinga
Christies Beach
(all above clubs have U18 side in 2012 comp)
plus the addition of potential U18 sides from Marion, OSB Lonsdale & Morphy Parks all who have U16s sides competing in 2012 so hopefully can retain players moving from U16s to U18s in 2013

I know its not perfect but its a start!

lion heart wrote:

leftpeg wrote:This is gettin beyond boring!!! all these posts about the two division topic.. and i don't see any suggestions on how this will actually work!!
It is clear that majority of people are in favour of two divisions, so there is NOOOO need to continue to post on hear every week complaining after there are 10 goal plus margins in the results!
The biggest problem is what structure the 2 division will take.. can I suggest that you do not post on here unless discussing potential structures of 2 divisions... Lets get heaps of different structures out there so that any potential SFL sub-committee can look at the pros & cons of each.. this may actually get us somewhere rather than continually complaining: "hurry up SFL we need two divisions"

so heres a potential system for 2013

Div 1
Brighton
Morphett Vale
Noarlunga
Happy Valley
Flagstaff Hill
Reynella
Cove
Port Noarlunga

*All Div 1 clubs will have 5 saturday sides..*
All clubs play each other 3 times over 21 rounds
Top 4 play Finals
First week of Finals:
1 v 2 for GF spot
3 v 4 Elimination
Second week of Finals
Loser 1v2 Vs Winner 3v4 for GF Spot
Third week of Finals:Grand Final

so Div 1 will have 21 weeks of Minor Rnds + 3 weeks of Finals (this matches the old 20 weeks of Minor Rnd + 4 weeks of Finals)

Div 2
Hackham
Christies Beach
Edwardstown
Aldinga
OSB/Lonsdale
Morphettville Park
Marion

All clubs have A & B grade sides
clubs play each other 3 times over 18 rounds
top 4 finals system which is identical to div 1
so Div 2 will have 18 weeks of Minor Rnd + 3 weeks of Finals

Any Div 2 clubs U14s & U16s too play in Sunday Comps along with any Div 1 Clubs U14&U16 2nd sides

Potential Div 2 U18 Saturday Comp involving:
Edwardstown
Hackham
Aldinga
Christies Beach
(all above clubs have U18 side in 2012 comp)
plus the addition of potential U18 sides from Marion, OSB Lonsdale & Morphy Parks all who have U16s sides competing in 2012 so hopefully can retain players moving from U16s to U18s in 2013

I know its not perfect but its a start!

Maybe you need to read back a few pages then leftpeg because structures have been put forward....in fact your's is identical to mine so i think i like you.

Waterboy wrote:
Couple of points I'll disagree with hoping to start some discussions

Firstly we play a long season as it is, with this year four clubs starting before Easter and then having the Easter break before their second round. A shorter final series would allow us to start later and still have the traditional 18 game season. Other side of this is that each club doesn't play each other 3 times so do we have a seeded draw still or just random games to make up to the 18 rounds?

Never been in favour of having to have 5 teams to be in div 1. Port Noarlunga dropping their 18s was a surprise to a lot of people, would that mean they'd be automatically relegated to div 2? Would that mean the club that had been relegated would be promoted again, in March or April or whenever it was that the 18s side was pulled?

Playing the div 2 14s and 16s on Sunday would leave a number of those clubs with just 2 games in Saturday. 5 games on Saturday for div 1 and 2 or 3 for div 2 makes div 2 a harsh proposition. Then again with the exception of Christies the rest of those clubs have had gaps in their juniors for any number of years lately so maybe it's nothing new.

Obvious answers are a few more clubs, particularly ones with full sets of juniors, coming into the mix to make a viable junior competition in division 2, but can't be relied on. Also clubs like Lonsdale and Morphy Parks continuing to grow their juniors helps.

lion heart wrote:

Waterboy wrote:
Couple of points I'll disagree with hoping to start some discussions

Firstly we play a long season as it is, with this year four clubs starting before Easter and then having the Easter break before their second round. A shorter final series would allow us to start later and still have the traditional 18 game season. Other side of this is that each club doesn't play each other 3 times so do we have a seeded draw still or just random games to make up to the 18 rounds?

Never been in favour of having to have 5 teams to be in div 1. Port Noarlunga dropping their 18s was a surprise to a lot of people, would that mean they'd be automatically relegated to div 2? Would that mean the club that had been relegated would be promoted again, in March or April or whenever it was that the 18s side was pulled?

Playing the div 2 14s and 16s on Sunday would leave a number of those clubs with just 2 games in Saturday. 5 games on Saturday for div 1 and 2 or 3 for div 2 makes div 2 a harsh proposition. Then again with the exception of Christies the rest of those clubs have had gaps in their juniors for any number of years lately so maybe it's nothing new.

Obvious answers are a few more clubs, particularly ones with full sets of juniors, coming into the mix to make a viable junior competition in division 2, but can't be relied on. Also clubs like Lonsdale and Morphy Parks continuing to grow their juniors helps.

Would agree with all those points but none of them should prove to be road blocks preventing 2 divs. There is no doubting there will some issues that need to be worked through and there are many issues with the current setup.

One major point that is being lost by the SFL is that while juniors are extremely important the A grade is the most important and what clubs are judged on. The league should be structured with this in mind instead of excuses about the div 2 junior setup. I do not see any major problems with it that we are not already dealing with. In fact i would be willing to bet my balls that the junior programs of the div 2 clubs will flourish in a less harsh environment.

Waterboy wrote:

lion heart wrote:

Waterboy wrote:
Couple of points I'll disagree with hoping to start some discussions

Firstly we play a long season as it is, with this year four clubs starting before Easter and then having the Easter break before their second round. A shorter final series would allow us to start later and still have the traditional 18 game season. Other side of this is that each club doesn't play each other 3 times so do we have a seeded draw still or just random games to make up to the 18 rounds?

Never been in favour of having to have 5 teams to be in div 1. Port Noarlunga dropping their 18s was a surprise to a lot of people, would that mean they'd be automatically relegated to div 2? Would that mean the club that had been relegated would be promoted again, in March or April or whenever it was that the 18s side was pulled?

Playing the div 2 14s and 16s on Sunday would leave a number of those clubs with just 2 games in Saturday. 5 games on Saturday for div 1 and 2 or 3 for div 2 makes div 2 a harsh proposition. Then again with the exception of Christies the rest of those clubs have had gaps in their juniors for any number of years lately so maybe it's nothing new.

Obvious answers are a few more clubs, particularly ones with full sets of juniors, coming into the mix to make a viable junior competition in division 2, but can't be relied on. Also clubs like Lonsdale and Morphy Parks continuing to grow their juniors helps.

Would agree with all those points but none of them should prove to be road blocks preventing 2 divs. There is no doubting there will some issues that need to be worked through and there are many issues with the current setup.

One major point that is being lost by the SFL is that while juniors are extremely important the A grade is the most important and what clubs are judged on. The league should be structured with this in mind instead of excuses about the div 2 junior setup. I do not see any major problems with it that we are not already dealing with. In fact i would be willing to bet my balls that the junior programs of the div 2 clubs will flourish in a less harsh environment.

Not road blocks, maybe small detours with some serious discussions to be had.

You would expect the div 2 juniors to improve in a more even competition, as long as it's the same setup as currently with juniors played on Saturday. A Sunday junior competition against the div 1 second clubs would be far from ideal. Until the number of 18s teams improve it might need to be a merged div 1/div 2 competition which would mean not always 5 games at the one venue for div 1 clubs.

afc9798 wrote:I may be naive regarding the set up of the CFB, but I ask the question, where are they in all of this. If we need an overarching body such as the CFB, then surely they should be stepping in to assist the competition to get stronger and helping with any restructure that is required.

It is in the interest of all that every competition is as strong as possible and the SFL is on a slippery slope at the moment, which was again demonstrated by the weekends results. As far as I can see, other than a few fluffy brochures and another layer of administration, the CFB actually contributes very little and could demonstrate their value by at the very least, facilitating these discussions about 2 divisions. There are some smart and good people on the CFB, but they are basically sitting idle and adding nothing currently.

I'm aware that sometimes these organisations do a great deal in the background, but in this case I've heard too many people say how little they contribute. Here's their chance to add some value.

afc9798 wrote:I may be naive regarding the set up of the CFB, but I ask the question, where are they in all of this. If we need an overarching body such as the CFB, then surely they should be stepping in to assist the competition to get stronger and helping with any restructure that is required.

It is in the interest of all that every competition is as strong as possible and the SFL is on a slippery slope at the moment, which was again demonstrated by the weekends results. As far as I can see, other than a few fluffy brochures and another layer of administration, the CFB actually contributes very little and could demonstrate their value by at the very least, facilitating these discussions about 2 divisions. There are some smart and good people on the CFB, but they are basically sitting idle and adding nothing currently.

I'm aware that sometimes these organisations do a great deal in the background, but in this case I've heard too many people say how little they contribute. Here's their chance to add some value.

Look Good In Leather wrote:

afc9798 wrote:I may be naive regarding the set up of the CFB, but I ask the question, where are they in all of this. If we need an overarching body such as the CFB, then surely they should be stepping in to assist the competition to get stronger and helping with any restructure that is required.

It is in the interest of all that every competition is as strong as possible and the SFL is on a slippery slope at the moment, which was again demonstrated by the weekends results. As far as I can see, other than a few fluffy brochures and another layer of administration, the CFB actually contributes very little and could demonstrate their value by at the very least, facilitating these discussions about 2 divisions. There are some smart and good people on the CFB, but they are basically sitting idle and adding nothing currently.

I'm aware that sometimes these organisations do a great deal in the background, but in this case I've heard too many people say how little they contribute. Here's their chance to add some value.

CFL is only there to tell us which guernseys to buy and run the State Country Championships which is apparently the greatest event ever created yet meaningless to the majority.

Waterboy wrote:

lion heart wrote:

Waterboy wrote:
Couple of points I'll disagree with hoping to start some discussions

Firstly we play a long season as it is, with this year four clubs starting before Easter and then having the Easter break before their second round. A shorter final series would allow us to start later and still have the traditional 18 game season. Other side of this is that each club doesn't play each other 3 times so do we have a seeded draw still or just random games to make up to the 18 rounds?

Never been in favour of having to have 5 teams to be in div 1. Port Noarlunga dropping their 18s was a surprise to a lot of people, would that mean they'd be automatically relegated to div 2? Would that mean the club that had been relegated would be promoted again, in March or April or whenever it was that the 18s side was pulled?

Playing the div 2 14s and 16s on Sunday would leave a number of those clubs with just 2 games in Saturday. 5 games on Saturday for div 1 and 2 or 3 for div 2 makes div 2 a harsh proposition. Then again with the exception of Christies the rest of those clubs have had gaps in their juniors for any number of years lately so maybe it's nothing new.

Obvious answers are a few more clubs, particularly ones with full sets of juniors, coming into the mix to make a viable junior competition in division 2, but can't be relied on. Also clubs like Lonsdale and Morphy Parks continuing to grow their juniors helps.

Would agree with all those points but none of them should prove to be road blocks preventing 2 divs. There is no doubting there will some issues that need to be worked through and there are many issues with the current setup.

One major point that is being lost by the SFL is that while juniors are extremely important the A grade is the most important and what clubs are judged on. The league should be structured with this in mind instead of excuses about the div 2 junior setup. I do not see any major problems with it that we are not already dealing with. In fact i would be willing to bet my balls that the junior programs of the div 2 clubs will flourish in a less harsh environment.

Not road blocks, maybe small detours with some serious discussions to be had.

You would expect the div 2 juniors to improve in a more even competition, as long as it's the same setup as currently with juniors played on Saturday. A Sunday junior competition against the div 1 second clubs would be far from ideal. Until the number of 18s teams improve it might need to be a merged div 1/div 2 competition which would mean not always 5 games at the one venue for div 1 clubs.

Vulcan wrote:Just looking at the poll... I would really like to know who the 18 people are that think we shouldn't split the divisions?
They surely can't be serious!!

BDH
Here's a bit off history for you people, In the early 80's the SFL met with the former Glenelg/South League regarding a merger off leagues, It would have consisted off 3 DIVISIONS of 10 teams and the 4th DIVISION OF 8 teams 38 clubs involved.....

what stopped it......junior football SFL wanted sat G/S wanted sun because off college/schools football

......back then they couldn't agree so what hope do we have now???????...Also Blackwood wanted to join the SFL in 1994....they had 4 senior sides 3 junior ....voted out by club delegates..... and one DIRECTOR,the next year they voted Mitchell Park in with 3 sides 2 junior, then the clubs voted Brighton juniors in only in 95, when Marion, Morphy Pk,Mitchell Pk were struggling for juniors.....Brighton Seniors came in 98.... work that out, maybe if club looked to the future rather than their own back yards all the time we may not be in the mess we're in TODAY.

Broken Down Hack wrote:Here's a bit off history for you people, In the early 80's the SFL met with the former Glenelg/South League regarding a merger off leagues, It would have consisted off 3 DIVISIONS of 10 teams and the 4th DIVISION OF 8 teams 38 clubs involved.....what stopped it......junior football SFL wanted sat G/S wanted sun because off college/schools football......back then they couldn't agree so what hope do we have now???????...Also Blackwood wanted to join the SFL in 1994....they had 4 senior sides 3 junior ....voted out by club delegates..... and one DIRECTOR,the next year they voted Mitchell Park in with 3 sides 2 junior, then the clubs voted Brighton juniors in only in 95, when Marion, Morphy Pk,Mitchell Pk were struggling for juniors.....Brighton Seniors came in 98.... work that out, maybe if club looked to the future rather than their own back yards all the time we may not be in the mess we're in TODAY.