Hackham in 2012

[Glenmandownunder]

A possible rule that may fix this is that a player requesting a clearance TO a lower ranked club (A grade premiership table) should be granted automatically! Provided they are financial! This would protect the lower clubs from having their talent poached & would assist them in attracting recruits while also creating a better league!

Pretty easy to police & helps create a better league!

In the end, if you have the right environment players will want to stay so shouldn't hurt clubs much either!

Well said Numbers, I think you justed Sumed it up brilliantly... Pardon the Pun

[Glenmandownunder]

I think there is a bigger picture here rather than just holding kids back from transferring to lower clubs. A number of the kids seeking clearances I am led to believe were previously in the underage teams at South Adelaide.

All of our clubs encourage our most promising youngsters to have a crack at the next level, we actively encourage kids to go to the local league clubs to further their careers and maximise their potential. Sadly it seems it is a one way street. There does not seem to be any diplomatic effort from the league clubs to encourage players to return to their home clubs. They expect us to recommend them kids to take from us but give very little back - we may get a coaching clinic once a year if we are lucky.

We encourage our kids to go out to the league clubs in good faith, and receive very little in return - all that happens is the kids that don't make it to the AFL, particularly those who reach reserves level, end up in a culture where they are effectively put on show and advertised to the highest bidder, whilst in the meantime have been prised away from the ties built up with their home club. The usual argument given is that it is up to the clubs to maintain a relationship with the player to ensure they return, my answer is it would be much easier to retain a relationship if they never went there in the first place and were surrounded by your club culture.

I am still for encouraging kids to better themselves at the next level, unfortunately I can see the potential where clubs will in the future discourage, either actively or by stealth, players from going out to the league clubs. Our clubs do not exist merely to supply South Adelaide, West Adelaide and Glenelg with players, as much as the AFL want you to believe that is our purpose (regularly using derogatory terms such as "Grassroots" and the like), our clubs value winning an A-Grade Premiership as much as the league clubs value winning a league premiership and as much as AFL clubs value winning an AFL Premiership. Why should our clubs sacrifice their chances of success by giving up their best talent to league clubs with more money and get nothing in return. Just because we are smaller does not mean we are irrelevant.

I fully support Reynella, Port Noarlunga, Noarlunga, Happy Valley and Cove in their efforts to retain their best talent, each of those clubs have had good junior programs with very hardworking people putting in effort in order to secure their future. Clubs should not be penalised for doing the right thing. I am sympathetic to Hackham's situation but I am sure there are many kids in Reynella, Noarlunga, Valley & Coves second teams which are currently stuck in a Sunday team played in front of three men, a dog and a couple of trees which would not be welded on.

FFS What Fecking world do you live in 'Looks good in Leather (Chaps)???
Hackham have fought like f*#k to keep there juniors alive, teams have raped & pillaged them for years,
They supplied your club some U18's a few years ago when they could not field a team, one of them was a young lad called Jordan Mack..
I think we swapped him for Daniel Lee...... lol

They have a core group of players that have been there since Hackham East Primary...

I hope they ruffle some feckin feathers this year...

[Glenmandownunder]

All these so called stronger clubs are always saying they want the league to be stronger,
But as soon as the weaker clubs try to improve by recruiting, they make things hard for them....

It's not always that easy and not always the strong clubs just trying to be difficult. Common sense should always come into play but there are some interesting and to my mind ridiculous situations being played out by at least one of the weaker clubs (note, I'm not referring to Hackham). One factor being that clubs put a lot of time and effort into making the kids feel welcome and developing them as footballers as well as raising funds to run their clubs themselves without handouts from controlling bodies of Sports and Social clubs. They are then are expected to stand back and let them go when when one of the weaker clubs have the nerve to offer the kids (that are yet to even play senior football) upto $150 per game? How long will the clubs focusing on developing their own players remain competitive when loosing their 'self developed' players to such situations? Maybe a sensible pay scale system needs to be in place for such situations and if the young players still want to go 'play with their mates' for the reduced dollars, the let them.

After all, the original intent of the current rules was all about being able to retain players the clubs have developed themselves.

As far as I know nobody is getting 150 per game or anything close to it... Pretty sure everything is performanced based.
Nothing like young lads backing themselves......

[Glenmandownunder]

All these so called stronger clubs are always saying they want the league to be stronger,
But as soon as the weaker clubs try to improve by recruiting, they make things hard for them....

It's not always that easy and not always the strong clubs just trying to be difficult. Common sense should always come into play but there are some interesting and to my mind ridiculous situations being played out by at least one of the weaker clubs (note, I'm not referring to Hackham). One factor being that clubs put a lot of time and effort into making the kids feel welcome and developing them as footballers as well as raising funds to run their clubs themselves without handouts from controlling bodies of Sports and Social clubs. They are then are expected to stand back and let them go when when one of the weaker clubs have the nerve to offer the kids (that are yet to even play senior football) upto $150 per game? How long will the clubs focusing on developing their own players remain competitive when loosing their 'self developed' players to such situations? Maybe a sensible pay scale system needs to be in place for such situations and if the young players still want to go 'play with their mates' for the reduced dollars, the let them.

After all, the original intent of the current rules was all about being able to retain players the clubs have developed themselves.

As far as I know nobody is getting 150 per game or anything close to it... Pretty sure everything is performanced based.
Nothing like young lads backing themselves......

sorry i was talking bout hackham , got abit excited cause they have out recruited everybody in the sfl.
read the clearance list on theSFL; website

[Straight Line]

Glenman's getting a bit fired up

[Look Good In Leather]

I think there is a bigger picture here rather than just holding kids back from transferring to lower clubs. A number of the kids seeking clearances I am led to believe were previously in the underage teams at South Adelaide.

All of our clubs encourage our most promising youngsters to have a crack at the next level, we actively encourage kids to go to the local league clubs to further their careers and maximise their potential. Sadly it seems it is a one way street. There does not seem to be any diplomatic effort from the league clubs to encourage players to return to their home clubs. They expect us to recommend them kids to take from us but give very little back - we may get a coaching clinic once a year if we are lucky.

We encourage our kids to go out to the league clubs in good faith, and receive very little in return - all that happens is the kids that don't make it to the AFL, particularly those who reach reserves level, end up in a culture where they are effectively put on show and advertised to the highest bidder, whilst in the meantime have been prised away from the ties built up with their home club. The usual argument given is that it is up to the clubs to maintain a relationship with the player to ensure they return, my answer is it would be much easier to retain a relationship if they never went there in the first place and were surrounded by your club culture.

I am still for encouraging kids to better themselves at the next level, unfortunately I can see the potential where clubs will in the future discourage, either actively or by stealth, players from going out to the league clubs. Our clubs do not exist merely to supply South Adelaide, West Adelaide and Glenelg with players, as much as the AFL want you to believe that is our purpose (regularly using derogatory terms such as "Grassroots" and the like), our clubs value winning an A-Grade Premiership as much as the league clubs value winning a league premiership and as much as AFL clubs value winning an AFL Premiership. Why should our clubs sacrifice their chances of success by giving up their best talent to league clubs with more money and get nothing in return. Just because we are smaller does not mean we are irrelevant.

I fully support Reynella, Port Noarlunga, Noarlunga, Happy Valley and Cove in their efforts to retain their best talent, each of those clubs have had good junior programs with very hardworking people putting in effort in order to secure their future. Clubs should not be penalised for doing the right thing. I am sympathetic to Hackham's situation but I am sure there are many kids in Reynella, Noarlunga, Valley & Coves second teams which are currently stuck in a Sunday team played in front of three men, a dog and a couple of trees which would not be welded on.

FFS What Fecking world do you live in 'Looks good in Leather (Chaps)???
Hackham have fought like f*#k to keep there juniors alive, teams have raped & pillaged them for years,
They supplied your club some U18's a few years ago when they could not field a team, one of them was a young lad called Jordan Mack..
I think we swapped him for Daniel Lee...... lol

They have a core group of players that have been there since Hackham East Primary...

I hope they ruffle some feckin feathers this year...

Did you read my post? Like you say, in the past our two clubs have been able to work out clearances between each other, not sure what that has to do with the points I outlined.

[Straight Line]

Will the hawks get the players cleared in time (team sheets in tomorrow night)?

[Glenmandownunder]

Glenman's getting a bit fired up

Couple of Irish Whiskey's will do that to ya...

[Glenmandownunder]

I think there is a bigger picture here rather than just holding kids back from transferring to lower clubs. A number of the kids seeking clearances I am led to believe were previously in the underage teams at South Adelaide.

All of our clubs encourage our most promising youngsters to have a crack at the next level, we actively encourage kids to go to the local league clubs to further their careers and maximise their potential. Sadly it seems it is a one way street. There does not seem to be any diplomatic effort from the league clubs to encourage players to return to their home clubs. They expect us to recommend them kids to take from us but give very little back - we may get a coaching clinic once a year if we are lucky.

We encourage our kids to go out to the league clubs in good faith, and receive very little in return - all that happens is the kids that don't make it to the AFL, particularly those who reach reserves level, end up in a culture where they are effectively put on show and advertised to the highest bidder, whilst in the meantime have been prised away from the ties built up with their home club. The usual argument given is that it is up to the clubs to maintain a relationship with the player to ensure they return, my answer is it would be much easier to retain a relationship if they never went there in the first place and were surrounded by your club culture.

I am still for encouraging kids to better themselves at the next level, unfortunately I can see the potential where clubs will in the future discourage, either actively or by stealth, players from going out to the league clubs. Our clubs do not exist merely to supply South Adelaide, West Adelaide and Glenelg with players, as much as the AFL want you to believe that is our purpose (regularly using derogatory terms such as "Grassroots" and the like), our clubs value winning an A-Grade Premiership as much as the league clubs value winning a league premiership and as much as AFL clubs value winning an AFL Premiership. Why should our clubs sacrifice their chances of success by giving up their best talent to league clubs with more money and get nothing in return. Just because we are smaller does not mean we are irrelevant.

I fully support Reynella, Port Noarlunga, Noarlunga, Happy Valley and Cove in their efforts to retain their best talent, each of those clubs have had good junior programs with very hardworking people putting in effort in order to secure their future. Clubs should not be penalised for doing the right thing. I am sympathetic to Hackham's situation but I am sure there are many kids in Reynella, Noarlunga, Valley & Coves second teams which are currently stuck in a Sunday team played in front of three men, a dog and a couple of trees which would not be welded on.

FFS What Fecking world do you live in 'Looks good in Leather (Chaps)???
Hackham have fought like f*#k to keep there juniors alive, teams have raped & pillaged them for years,
They supplied your club some U18's a few years ago when they could not field a team, one of them was a young lad called Jordan Mack..
I think we swapped him for Daniel Lee...... lol

They have a core group of players that have been there since Hackham East Primary...

I hope they ruffle some feckin feathers this year...

Did you read my post? Like you say, in the past our two clubs have been able to work out clearances between each other, not sure what that has to do with the points I outlined.

Sorry that was my touretts kicking in after a couple of whiskey's, us Irish are known for flying off the handle, I think I read a few comments then you just copped it.
Ps do you have leather Chaps????

[Glenmandownunder]

I think there is a bigger picture here rather than just holding kids back from transferring to lower clubs. A number of the kids seeking clearances I am led to believe were previously in the underage teams at South Adelaide.

All of our clubs encourage our most promising youngsters to have a crack at the next level, we actively encourage kids to go to the local league clubs to further their careers and maximise their potential. Sadly it seems it is a one way street. There does not seem to be any diplomatic effort from the league clubs to encourage players to return to their home clubs. They expect us to recommend them kids to take from us but give very little back - we may get a coaching clinic once a year if we are lucky.

We encourage our kids to go out to the league clubs in good faith, and receive very little in return - all that happens is the kids that don't make it to the AFL, particularly those who reach reserves level, end up in a culture where they are effectively put on show and advertised to the highest bidder, whilst in the meantime have been prised away from the ties built up with their home club. The usual argument given is that it is up to the clubs to maintain a relationship with the player to ensure they return, my answer is it would be much easier to retain a relationship if they never went there in the first place and were surrounded by your club culture.

I am still for encouraging kids to better themselves at the next level, unfortunately I can see the potential where clubs will in the future discourage, either actively or by stealth, players from going out to the league clubs. Our clubs do not exist merely to supply South Adelaide, West Adelaide and Glenelg with players, as much as the AFL want you to believe that is our purpose (regularly using derogatory terms such as "Grassroots" and the like), our clubs value winning an A-Grade Premiership as much as the league clubs value winning a league premiership and as much as AFL clubs value winning an AFL Premiership. Why should our clubs sacrifice their chances of success by giving up their best talent to league clubs with more money and get nothing in return. Just because we are smaller does not mean we are irrelevant.

I fully support Reynella, Port Noarlunga, Noarlunga, Happy Valley and Cove in their efforts to retain their best talent, each of those clubs have had good junior programs with very hardworking people putting in effort in order to secure their future. Clubs should not be penalised for doing the right thing. I am sympathetic to Hackham's situation but I am sure there are many kids in Reynella, Noarlunga, Valley & Coves second teams which are currently stuck in a Sunday team played in front of three men, a dog and a couple of trees which would not be welded on.

FFS What Fecking world do you live in 'Looks good in Leather (Chaps)???
Hackham have fought like f*#k to keep there juniors alive, teams have raped & pillaged them for years,
They supplied your club some U18's a few years ago when they could not field a team, one of them was a young lad called Jordan Mack..
I think we swapped him for Daniel Lee...... lol

They have a core group of players that have been there since Hackham East Primary...

I hope they ruffle some feckin feathers this year...

Did you read my post? Like you say, in the past our two clubs have been able to work out clearances between each other, not sure what that has to do with the points I outlined.

Sorry that was my touretts kicking in after a couple of whiskey's, us Irish are known for flying off the handle, I think I read a few comments then you just copped it.
Ps do you have leather Chaps????

Ask Scotty or Sharon Bowen to point out Paddy at the game & I'll have a beer with ya.

[Mister Footy]

Happy Valley are holding back a lad that only came over to footy from soccer a couple of years ago and looks like going back to the round ball game, rather than play for them again.........

I hear this kid was cleared after causing one hell of a storm - maybe should think twice about taking his rant to the public arena of FB
Hope he enjoyed his round 1 walloping

[Straight Line]

Happy Valley are holding back a lad that only came over to footy from soccer a couple of years ago and looks like going back to the round ball game, rather than play for them again.........

I hear this kid was cleared after causing one hell of a storm - maybe should think twice about taking his rant to the public arena of FB
Hope he enjoyed his round 1 walloping

Well at the end of the day at least valley cleared him so he could play footy on the weekend. At hawk land on sat i was told one club still wont clear the lad even after his father had been down to their club twice You think that was one hell of a storm from what i was told you better put loose items away and board up all of your windows.

[flyinghawk]

Again these strong clubs are playing silly bugger's with clearences ,Why ? just clear the kids and let them play footy they want to play under Marty Cliffton .Or they may be lost to footy all together not good for any club or the SFL .....

[Glenmandownunder]

Happy Valley are holding back a lad that only came over to footy from soccer a couple of years ago and looks like going back to the round ball game, rather than play for them again.........

I hear this kid was cleared after causing one hell of a storm - maybe should think twice about taking his rant to the public arena of FB
Hope he enjoyed his round 1 walloping

The score did not did not reflect the whole game mister footsy, if Hackham can get these clearances through & hold this squad together, it will be a whole different kettle of fish......

[Zelezny Chucks]

Happy Valley are holding back a lad that only came over to footy from soccer a couple of years ago and looks like going back to the round ball game, rather than play for them again.........

I hear this kid was cleared after causing one hell of a storm - maybe should think twice about taking his rant to the public arena of FB
Hope he enjoyed his round 1 walloping

The score did not did not reflect the whole game mister footsy, if Hackham can get these clearances through & hold this squad together, it will be a whole different kettle of fish......

Money will eventually dry up and these players have proven they will move if offered enough, good luck to them but it's a risky experiment.

Most will know I love bringing this up but Noarlunga spent a lot of money poaching Hackham players around 2000 and only got 1 flag to show for it.

[Straight Line]

Money will eventually dry up and these players have proven they will move if offered enough, good luck to them but it's a risky experiment.

Most will know I love bringing this up but Noarlunga spent a lot of money poaching Hackham players around 2000 and only got 1 flag to show for it.[/quote]

The money wont dry up because I think you will find the lads are not on big money they are there to play with mates. I wouldn't say its risky recruiting and how have the players proven they will move if offered enough money?

[Zelezny Chucks]

Money will eventually dry up and these players have proven they will move if offered enough, good luck to them but it's a risky experiment.

Most will know I love bringing this up but Noarlunga spent a lot of money poaching Hackham players around 2000 and only got 1 flag to show for it.

The money wont dry up because I think you will find the lads are not on big money they are there to play with mates. I wouldn't say its risky recruiting and how have the players proven they will move if offered enough money? [/quote]

Simple. They were offered money and they moved rather than staying at their home club and having a crack at breaking into a side rather than being handed an A grade position.

I don't buy the playing with mates argument, if that is all they are really after why choose Hackham? Why not any number of clubs?

I'm sure a lot of posters here have a lot of good mates from other clubs but none of them would ever leave their club to play with them.

[Glenmandownunder]

Money will eventually dry up and these players have proven they will move if offered enough, good luck to them but it's a risky experiment.

Most will know I love bringing this up but Noarlunga spent a lot of money poaching Hackham players around 2000 and only got 1 flag to show for it.

The money wont dry up because I think you will find the lads are not on big money they are there to play with mates. I wouldn't say its risky recruiting and how have the players proven they will move if offered enough money?

Simple. They were offered money and they moved rather than staying at their home club and having a crack at breaking into a side rather than being handed an A grade position.

I don't buy the playing with mates argument, if that is all they are really after why choose Hackham? Why not any number of clubs?

[color=#FF0000]I[size=150]'m sure a lot of posters here have a lot of good mates from other clubs but none of them would ever leave their club to play with them.[/quote]

Only time will tell,
I have no idea where you think all this money has come from at Hackham mate.
Most of these lad's were only tied to these clubs by name, they have all played together at souths for the last few years, so they all decided to play together under Marty Clifton....
Don't see alot of movement IN TO the Emoo's this year...
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[RFC 2010]

I notice that Hackham have put in another clearance request for Bollenhagen - after five or six other applications were denied. There is an obvious impasse between Reynella and Hackham which is preventing the clearance from being approved. Are the clubs trying to work through the issue or is Hackham hoping that its persistence will pay off and Reynella will simply get sick of denying the clearance request and allow it to go through?

[flyinghawk]

As i understand the young lads parents have spoken to Reynella three times,and also the football club . The lad just wants to play with his mates as he was there all day on Saturday on the side lines helping Marty and the team .Keep your chin up Bolly hackham will keep trying.