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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Look Good In Leather » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:38 am

Dutchy wrote:So can the SFL just agree to it or does it come down to a club vote to be involved?

With the HFL and GSFL not included could this be enough for SFL clubs to look at other leagues?


The way it has been announced there will be no vote, the SFL has no choice in the matter, for junior football they are now zoned as a metro competition and the SANFL have decided there will be one junior football metro body with a board comprised of representatives from each league club. Junior football will now be run by the league clubs for the league clubs.

HFL & GSFL are country leagues with much better structured junior competitions (mandated teams etc), the SFL has been picked off because we currently have a hybrid junior setup where clubs pick and choose where and when they play their teams. Effectively, because the SFL has been the good citizen of Adelaide football (accepting clubs from Glenelg-South & SAFA when those comps folded), they are now being punished. Also South Adelaide are complaining that they do not have the best kids coming to them from the SFL so the SANFL is coming in to fix it.

It is all part of the masterplan to centralize metropolitan football across the SANFL (elite pathway) & SAAFL (community level).
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby cracka » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:51 am

Dutchy wrote:So can the SFL just agree to it or does it come down to a club vote to be involved?

With the HFL and GSFL not included could this be enough for SFL clubs to look at other leagues?

It was jokingly mentioned on the HFL thread Flaggies & HV looking to join HFL.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby oneuponedown » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:37 am

Look Good In Leather wrote:
Dutchy wrote:So can the SFL just agree to it or does it come down to a club vote to be involved?

With the HFL and GSFL not included could this be enough for SFL clubs to look at other leagues?


The way it has been announced there will be no vote, the SFL has no choice in the matter, for junior football they are now zoned as a metro competition and the SANFL have decided there will be one junior football metro body with a board comprised of representatives from each league club. Junior football will now be run by the league clubs for the league clubs.

HFL & GSFL are country leagues with much better structured junior competitions (mandated teams etc), the SFL has been picked off because we currently have a hybrid junior setup where clubs pick and choose where and when they play their teams. Effectively, because the SFL has been the good citizen of Adelaide football (accepting clubs from Glenelg-South & SAFA when those comps folded), they are now being punished. Also South Adelaide are complaining that they do not have the best kids coming to them from the SFL so the SANFL is coming in to fix it.

It is all part of the masterplan to centralize metropolitan football across the SANFL (elite pathway) & SAAFL (community level).


Here is the link to the Power point from SANFL: http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=3843027
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Dutchy » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:52 am

cracka wrote:
Dutchy wrote:So can the SFL just agree to it or does it come down to a club vote to be involved?

With the HFL and GSFL not included could this be enough for SFL clubs to look at other leagues?

It was jokingly mentioned on the HFL thread Flaggies & HV looking to join HFL.


Both cricket clubs play in the Hills comp.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby 85 WAS A GOOD YEAR » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:10 pm

Bit unsure at this stage Dutchy. Just going by Flaggies being in the West Adelaide comp. Hopefully everything will be explained Tuesday night at the SFL information night
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Down the Hill » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:54 pm

Look Good In Leather wrote:
shoe boy wrote:As per SFL has kept this quite!!
Be done with it and join the SAAFL.

LGIL , Let me get this correct, Sat in the SFL will only see A and B grade games or is it our Sunday comp teams?

This is a SANFL request? A competition that is struggling and comes up with this instead of restructuring the SANFL.
Again an opportunity for leadership!!!


U/18 is not in scope (it is U/16 and down). It was mentioned that the games could still run on Saturdays but would be programmed independently (as teams would likely be playing against teams with seniors outside of the SFL as part of the equalization effort). Ie Noarlunga could be playing Hackham in the seniors, but due to the difference in junior strength, the U/14s could be playing Payneham Norwood Union and the U/16s be playing Flinders Park. Neither of these teams are likely to want to play on the Saturday so Sunday would be the default.

The SFL announced it at the most recent strategic meeting.


Stop providing good information LGIL and then undoing it with poor examples. Under the proposal, Noarlunga junior teams will only play against clubs in the SAFC zone so they can't play a PNU or FP unless they make the end of season play offs to determine the all metro champion team.

85WAGY - this won't change SANFL zones but my fear for a club like Flaggies which is right on the edge of 2 zones is that lads will be directed to clubs that play in the league club zone of where they live. This shouldn't happen but the proposal has a smell of every kid playing for a club in a league clubs zone is also tied to the zone residentially.

The way I see it, if this proposal goes ahead the SAFC clubs are all SFL so Saturday games can still be played but programming becomes an issue when an SFL A & B grade game is between a SAFC club and a WAFC or GFC club.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Dutchy » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:13 pm

Flaggies is actually on the edge of 4 zones, one end of Black Road is Sturt, the other end is Glenelg, north of Black Rd is West and south of Black Rd is South Adelaide!
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Down the Hill » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:29 pm

Dutchy wrote:Flaggies is actually on the edge of 4 zones, one end of Black Road is Sturt, the other end is Glenelg, north of Black Rd is West and south of Black Rd is South Adelaide!


That should be the first condition of any progress with the whole proposal - choice of club below SANFL level must remain player/parent choice and not the ruling body.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Dutchy » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:32 pm

Im hearing Metro South aren't supporting it.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Look Good In Leather » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:30 pm

Down the Hill wrote:
Look Good In Leather wrote:
shoe boy wrote:As per SFL has kept this quite!!
Be done with it and join the SAAFL.

LGIL , Let me get this correct, Sat in the SFL will only see A and B grade games or is it our Sunday comp teams?

This is a SANFL request? A competition that is struggling and comes up with this instead of restructuring the SANFL.
Again an opportunity for leadership!!!


U/18 is not in scope (it is U/16 and down). It was mentioned that the games could still run on Saturdays but would be programmed independently (as teams would likely be playing against teams with seniors outside of the SFL as part of the equalization effort). Ie Noarlunga could be playing Hackham in the seniors, but due to the difference in junior strength, the U/14s could be playing Payneham Norwood Union and the U/16s be playing Flinders Park. Neither of these teams are likely to want to play on the Saturday so Sunday would be the default.

The SFL announced it at the most recent strategic meeting.


Stop providing good information LGIL and then undoing it with poor examples. Under the proposal, Noarlunga junior teams will only play against clubs in the SAFC zone so they can't play a PNU or FP unless they make the end of season play offs to determine the all metro champion team.


Not quite DTH, one of the key points was:
[*] Local competitions created for the youngest age groups with a focus on creating even competitions as finals and premiership points are introduced

So for the non competitive teams, yes you are right, Noarlunga junior teams will only play against clubs in the SAFC zone.
However, once finals and premiership points are introduced, the metro area becomes two regions (North/South) split up into 2 conferences each. The conferences are then graded (assuming with divisions) on ability to improve "the football experience for all junior and youth participants"

Go back to the SANFL Review of Junior Football in South Australia (http://www.sanfl.com.au/email/website_Report.pdf),

Recommendation 13: "Organisers of junior football competitions must be encouraged to be flexible in determining both the structure of the competition, and also the conduct of any particular games..."

Recommendation 15: "Flexibility should be used in the application of the “Mercy Rule”."

Recommendation 21: "An independent governing body should be established consisting of an independent chairman, two JDL representatives, a representative from school football, a representative from the Game Development section of the SANFL, a representative from the Amateur League, and two other independent persons interested in junior football. This body must be given the authority to determine JDL boundaries, playing rules and consistent age groupings."

Recommendation 26: "One of the first tasks for the JDL governing body must be to restructure the composition of the various leagues to establish a more even distribution of the clubs across the metropolitan area."

Recommendation 27: "Clubs should limit the number of players per team, but should be permitted to field more than one team at each age level provided that an even distribution of talent occurs across the teams at that level. Where there is an excess of players within one club, those players should be directed to another club where there is a shortage, and encouraged to move there."


Interestingly during the review they engaged the following organisations, but not the SFL, we have been included as an afterthought:
Junior District League Committee
Metro South Junior Football League
Metro West Junior Football League
Central District Junior Football League
North East Metro Junior Football Association
School Football SA Committee
Independent Schools of SA representatives
SA Amateur Football League
SANFL Umpiring Staff
Community Football
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Dazza44 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:33 pm

[quote="
Interestingly during the review they engaged the following organisations, but not the SFL, we have been included as an afterthought:
Junior District League Committee
Metro South Junior Football League
Metro West Junior Football League
Central District Junior Football League
North East Metro Junior Football Association
School Football SA Committee
Independent Schools of SA representatives
SA Amateur Football League
SANFL Umpiring Staff
Community Football[/quote]

From looking at the powerpoint, I had the impression that the SFL has been "tacked on" to a review of the other Metro leagues. If that isn't the case, then consultation with SFL should have been a priority since the others already broadly fit the proposed competition model already (ie Sunday Juniors). Maybe "afterthought" is the correct term.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Look Good In Leather » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:07 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:First decent thing I've seen come out of the SANFL for juniors in the 5 years I've been involved
Fully support what they are doing.
There may have to be some tweaking, and those with a self interest will fight it to the death, but the transition rate from juniors to seniors is at a devastating rate and getting worse.
Finally, the SANFL is being the peak body and doing something about it


The proposal only includes up to U/16, so not sure how this is going to fix the transition rate from junior into seniors.
Also, surely splitting the juniors away from the senior club is only going to make this worse.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby shoe boy » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:38 am

The relationship that clubs have with the SANFL sides will become more distant with this proposal and people within the local clubs that have supported the pathway to the SANFL will become very anti pathway.

Just remember these kids come from a club that has nurtured supported and had influence and they and the parents have become a family within their club.
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby shoe boy » Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:22 am

Here is the link to the Power point from SANFL: http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=3843027[/quote]

Wow could you put more bullshit into a presentation!!!

The only thing missing was Olsen dancing .
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby PhilH » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:56 pm

Salisbury West is in Eagles not Central zone

As is North Pines (no juniors currently)
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby tigerpie » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:09 pm

Hands off our SFL!
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby Look Good In Leather » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:11 pm

I guess one positive out of this is that we will no longer have to risk our players in the meaningless Country Football Championships as we are now considered a "Metropolitan" league
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby mickey » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:23 pm

tigerpie wrote:Hands off our SFL!

No SANFL in the SFL! perhaps??
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby LaughingKookaburra » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:38 pm

Could this potentially lead to the demise of the SFL over time with clubs who like the current set up moving to either the HFL or GSFL? Then leaving the rest to play in the SFL or go to amateurs?
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Re: SANFL restructuring Junior footy in Metro Area?

Postby twobob » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:40 pm

Look Good In Leather wrote:I guess one positive out of this is that we will no longer have to risk our players in the meaningless Country Football Championships as we are now considered a "Metropolitan" league


doesn't this restructure only concern SFL juniors and your seniors would still come under the country banner
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