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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Deemu » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:36 pm

Tooting Bec wrote:Did any one see Rebecca Wilsons joke of an article in the tiser today? Just another uneducated eastern states journalist who rather than praising united, with all of the hurdles they had to overcome just to reach the finals, has rammed the knife straight into the jugular.
What a joke of a reporter what a joke of a paper for letting that article be printed! Shouldn't she be commenting on something she has actually played? Like netball? Oh that's right she was n't vry good at that either

Go you Reds! We are proud of the lads and what they have achieved and lets stick it up em as old teddy whitten used to say and win the whole bloody A- league!!!


She's just a typical victorian/mexican f#*kwit. I think you'd find even her friends would struggle to like her...
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Baron Greenback » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:13 am

Dogwatcher wrote:No one ever bags Mike Sheahan because he never played a game.....


Yes they do! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dirko » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:56 am

On that article, IF she researched it a bit she probably would've realised that Adelaide in fact beat Kashima Antlers who are TOP of the J-League to advance to the semis. By the time the final came around the boys were visibly jaded after a few long and tiring weeks of travel, games & training. Would've been interesting to see how they would've fair if they had the same sort of schedule as Gamba had. Yes they probably would've lost, but in think the manner would've been far different. I have spoken in depth to one of United's key players, and he backed up my thoughts on that they appeared tired, and needed a good week or two off. He said you can't just fly over four days half way around the world, and play a game, have to fly back without any decent recovery sessions and expect to back up in peak condition. He felt OK himself, but has had experience in backing up for games, unlike the majority of the squad.

As for the rest of the article especially junior development, she did no research at all. The NSW Football Federation are builing a $40 m
elite training centre including a collage for kids & the A-League has just started up the youth league the first of it's kind in Australia. Why didn't she mention Birighitti the 17 yo kid in a ACL final ? You can choose any sport in Australia on kids not getting a chance. Who's to say where the kid she "supposed" knows, will end up. She's just speculating. Does that happen in other sports ? Yep.

She just took it to task, to stir the pot. If she was genuine she would've suggested ways of doing things instead of taking cheap shots.

Also on a side note. The heading was done by the sub editor, and was different to the one published in the Sydney Telegraph (or whatever it's called). Poor form by him too.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby dinglinga » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:09 pm

has anyone mentioned that Gamna have played 48 games since March
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby The Dutchman » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:04 pm

Wilson should save her comments for the sport she supports - the dying sport in Australia - rugby league!
Its not hard to win a world cup when there are only 12 teams in the world that play the sport. Her article indicated that she had little knowledge of our great game, and the reasons for our local talent playing abroad.
They go to Europe for the same reasons good basketballers aspire to play in America.
The A league has come on in leaps and bounds, and Adelaide United should only be credited for their achievements in the Asian champions league competition, especially after receiving no support from the Australian league.
I read the article with no thoughts about the journalist, but put the paper down hating her.
Australian football should be proud of the situation its in...if you said a few years ago that 40,000 spectators would attend games you would laugh. The Advertiser should not publish this sort of crap, but should be working with the A league to promote the game...this deliberate attempt to publish rubbish to spark discussion is not needed and Wilson and The Advertiser both owe the United lads an apology.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby dinglinga » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:46 pm

beccy wilson should be writing there is a crisis in rugby league christ only 15,000 to a world cup semi final F$%K

jeez if a-league is stuffed with its crowds imagine the scottish premier league
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby spell_check » Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:21 pm

It's amazing she is still allowed space in the Advertiser. Remember her crack on Nathan Brackens' hair?
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby McAlmanac » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:00 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:No one ever bags Mike Sheahan because he never played a game.....

Mike Sheahan played VFA for Werribee and also senior football in Tasmania. Not the highest level, but sufficient to know the mechanics of the game. His worst sin is jumping on the bandwagon of struggling Victorian sides after they post an upset victory.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby McAlmanac » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:03 pm

Deemu wrote:She's just a typical victorian/mexican f#*kwit.

Rebecca Wilson is a Queenslander.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dirko » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:07 pm

McAlmanac wrote:
Deemu wrote:She's just a typical victorian/mexican f#*kwit.

Rebecca Wilson is a Queenslander.



Queensland/Mexico...same thing :lol:
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby McAlmanac » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:09 pm

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McAlmanac wrote:
Deemu wrote:She's just a typical victorian/mexican f#*kwit.

Rebecca Wilson is a Queenslander.



Queensland/Mexico...same thing :lol:

I would have said Queensland/Texas....
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dirko » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:15 pm

McAlmanac wrote:I would have said Queensland/Texas....


:lol:

Off Topic: Any chance Derby v Stoke ? Hope Delap doesn't throw too many in :lol:
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby McAlmanac » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:21 pm

SJABC wrote:
McAlmanac wrote:I would have said Queensland/Texas....


:lol:

Off Topic: Any chance Derby v Stoke ? Hope Delap doesn't throw too many in :lol:

Stoke v Derby. Derby's form is excellent, which counts for plenty. Here's hoping...
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dirko » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:52 pm

Righto...Rebecca Wilson's article certainly hit a few nerves. Here's a email I received today from the FFA in reply.

Sorry it's a bit long, but it sure answers her piss weak column pretty well...

Dear Jabber

You may have noticed an article in some of Saturday’s papers which said that the Hyundai A-League and football in general is “in crisis”.

The writer (Rebecca Wilson) said the alleged “crisis” was the reason for the result between Adelaide United and Gamba Osaka in the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) Champions League and that Adelaide was “humiliated”.

I thought it might be helpful to write to let you know just how wrong this view is.

For a start, I've always thought that a team which makes it to a final of a competition has actually performed very well.

Whether it be the NRL or AFL Grand Finals, the finals of the cricket One Day Internationals or finals of the Super 14s, it is generally accepted that the two teams competing have excelled to get that far.

Let's put Adelaide United's achievement in making it to the final of the Asian Football Confederation's (AFC) Champions League against Gamba Osaka into perspective.

To get to the final, Adelaide had to:

(a) finish as either minor premiers or champions of the Hyundai A-League to earn the right to represent Australia in the first place

(b) come through a group stage playing six home and away matches against teams from Korea, China and Vietnam

(c) navigate through the quarter finals and semi finals, playing a further four home and away matches, against one of the most successful teams in J-League history, Kashima Antlers, and Bunyodkor from Uzbekistan, and

(d) meet another top team from the Japanese league which is widely considered the top national league in the Asian confederation.

Since 2006, we have been actively addressing the shortcomings of the sport with a long term plan for Australia to improve its technical skills and to achieve sustained success internationally.

Last year, Football Federation Australia (FFA) released the first ever national strategic framework for the development of the sport in this country.

It is a long term plan for Australia to achieve sustained success at international level within the historical context of a lack of investment in the critical area of football development over many decades.

The national football development plan sets out a comprehensive program for improving and upgrading the game at every level and for all participants, whether they be players, coaches, referees, volunteers or other administrators. The plan addresses development at two distinct levels:

* 'game development' which focuses on the grassroots that underpins the sport's popular base as well as the development of talented players who may well become the next Brett Emerton, Heather Garriock or Lucas Neill, and
* 'talented player development' which is focussed on a nationally coordinated talent identification system involving the Australian Institute of Sport, the State Institutes, the member federations and the Hyundai A-League clubs.

Since then, we have delivered a number of the initiatives outlined in the national football development plan all of which have the aim of improving the skill levels and technical proficiency of players. These include:

* introduction of Small Sided Football which aims to improve the skill levels and technical proficiency of young players
* establishment of a National Youth League
* establishment of the Westfield W-League
* improved integration of pathways for talented players, and
* a customised development program for the top 50 talented players.

Small sided football is critical to our strategy as it gives children more touches of the ball, leading to improved skill levels. After just one year, 70,000 children are playing small sided football and this number will increase further over the next two years.

It's one thing to produce good players, but we also need to produce good coaches.

While it's terrific to see the 'mums and dads' at weekend games helping out their children’s teams, we also want to ensure those mums and dads have the skills they need also to help children appropriately as they guide them in the early years.

To date, we have:

* introduced a national coach accreditation scheme from grassroots upwards
* held our first ever national coaching conference with leading experts from around the world, for coaches from grassroots to elite
* set out minimum coaching qualifications for elite level coaches, and
* awarded the first four scholarships under our new Elite Coach Development Program – to two former Socceroo captains, Alex Tobin and Paul Okon; to another former Socceroo, Alistair Edwards; and to Nicola Williams.

In time for the 2009 winter football season, we will have a new online course available for accredited coaches to supplement and complement certificate courses.

The article also suggested that the best players go overseas.

This is a reality which has been ever-present in football for 25 years and reflects the fact that football is the truly global game.

It is almost a rite of passage for talented young Australian players to try their luck in the bigger and richer leagues around the world, just as it is for young footballers from elsewhere such as South America.

It is a reality which other sports are only now just starting to experience as the epicentre of some of the other sports shifts.

But with our large participant base, our nine national teams for men and women, and regular competitive opportunities through the Asian Football Confederation, the Hyundai A-League (along with the National Youth League and the Westfield W-League) will grow into a more and more significant competition and source of playing talent for national teams as the competition matures and evolves.

At the end of season 3 of the Hyundai A-League, average crowds were 15,350, club memberships increased by almost 100% on season 1 and FOX Sports continued to report increasing viewer numbers.

Even though there has been a small reduction in crowds to date in this season, we are light years ahead of the old national soccer league.

Expansion will not only give us the best geographical footprint of any national sporting competition in the country, but more teams will help make the competition even more vibrant and attractive.

We are expanding to ten teams next season, with the addition of the Gold Coast and North Queensland Fury, and to twelve the season after.

Even further growth of the Hyundai A-League will come from creating local heroes that young players can touch and see week-in, week-out and we are taking positive steps to ensure that we have enough quality players available.

Importantly, an expanded Hyundai A-League will also give clubs an extended season with more games which – as every coach and armchair expert knows – leads to improved skill levels, technical proficiency and match preparedness.

So, far from being "in crisis" we are rebuilding from the grassroots up.

* We are expanding the Hyundai A-League
* We are involved in regular quality competition in Asia
* 1 million Australians enjoy playing the sport
* We have launched a national plan to address technical failings
* The sport is back in the ‘black’ financially (which we will be announcing later this month), and
* We are bidding for the right to host the 2015 AFC Asian Cup and the 2018 FIFA World Cup.

Thank you for your commitment to football.

We hope to see you at a Hyundai A-League, National Youth League, Westfield W-League and Qantas Socceroos match in the very near future.



Cheers

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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:04 am

SJABC wrote: For a start, I've always thought that a team which makes it to a final of a competition has actually performed very well.

Whether it be the NRL or AFL Grand Finals, the finals of the cricket One Day Internationals or finals of the Super 14s, it is generally accepted that the two teams competing have excelled to get that far.

Let's put Adelaide United's achievement in making it to the final of the Asian Football Confederation's (AFC) Champions League against Gamba Osaka into perspective.

To get to the final, Adelaide had to:

(a) finish as either minor premiers or champions of the Hyundai A-League to earn the right to represent Australia in the first place

(b) come through a group stage playing six home and away matches against teams from Korea, China and Vietnam

(c) navigate through the quarter finals and semi finals, playing a further four home and away matches, against one of the most successful teams in J-League history, Kashima Antlers, and Bunyodkor from Uzbekistan, and

(d) meet another top team from the Japanese league which is widely considered the top national league in the Asian confederation.


(e) did it without rescheduling, transport or squad allowances regarding junior player representation from the FFA.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:05 am

Thanks for the Jabber, interesting stuff.

It addresses most points Wilson made.

I still think she has some points to make though.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dirko » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:38 am

Dogwatcher wrote:I still think she has some points to make though.


Indeed she did, but the manner and ill researched way she went about it did her no favours. She took it as an opportunistic way of having a crack at a sport she does not like. Put it this way, as long as her column appears in the Saturday paper, will be as long as I don't buy the paper.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby Dirko » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:55 am

OK here's a post by Les Murray from the SBS site...

Rebecca, do shut up

On another topic I cannot let this opportunity pass without saying something about the silly, juvenile article Rebecca Wilson wrote in the Daily Telegraph.
Her GPS must have gone haywire on the way to work that day because her car obviously took her to another planet.
Wilson, a kind of Ray Chesterton in drag, contended that ‘soccer’ in Australia was in crisis because Gamba Osaka out-skilled and outplayed Adelaide United in the ACL final.
Which is like saying German football is in demise because Bayern Munich got pumped by Zenit St Petersburg in last season’s UEFA Cup. Or that Spanish football is on the brink of death following Real Madrid’s twice in a row loss to Juventus.
She claims, quite correctly, that Australian players lack the technical skills needed to compete at international level. Wow, what a revelation!
I guess I should feel proud that what Johnny Warren and I and thousands of others have been saying for 40 years has finally got through to Rebecca Wilson. But she ain’t fooling anyone. Most of us can smell an old fashioned soccer basher from a hundred miles.
The curious thing about this is that Wilson’s late father, Bruce Wilson, a lovely man, was a sports journo of serious integrity with a distinct affection for football.
He wrote warmly about it often, including after attending Australia’s victorious game against England at Upton Park in 2003, on which he reported with pride and enthusiasm.
This, we gather, didn’t rub off on his daughter who clings mysteriously to the belief that rugby league, her sport of choice, is some kind of cultural treasure which must be protected, above all against the smelly hordes from the north who, with soccer in their saddlebags, threaten to over-run us, rape our women and gallop off with our children.
I have news for her. The smelly hordes are coming not just from the north but from the east, south and west, from everywhere. Soccer (‘We refuse to call it football,’ she says) will soon engulf this nation to the point that we will all love it so much we won’t be able to breathe.
The times are a changing. So live with it, girl.

My parting advice to Rebecca is this: With your looks, your leathery face and ironed-on hair, not to say your god awful nasal twang, try not to spend 16 days of the next televised Olympics sitting beside the ravishing Sonia Kruger. Not good for the career


ha ha nothing like a few personal insults at the end to get the blood flowing !! :lol:
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby JK » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:49 am

All "needle" aside, I agree with Les' outlook on the future of the code ... It dominates world sport and we'd be foolish to think that at some point or another, it won't be a big thing in this country.

That however, is MY opinion and Rebecca Wilson is just as entitled to hers (and makes some valid points, as we've all agreed), I just think her article was laced with a grievance factor.
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Re: Asian Champion's League

Postby RoosterMarty » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:29 pm

Brilliant work by Les, he really let rip.
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