Liverpool Season 2008/9

[johntheclaret]

I think the lack of coin comment is mentioned when comparing the other top 4 teams.
Without looking it up, I think you'll find his spend vs monies received is quite good John.

Fair comment. but I think a fair bit in the $IN column relates to the same players in the $OUT column. Still, I am not knocking the guy. Personally, I quite like him as a manager.

[devilsadvocate]

personaly i think Gerrard Houlier was the best since the premier league started

I'm not sure whether you're taking the piss and being a WUM with that one, but off the top of my head, perhaps, Fergie maybe a touch better, even closer to home for you dare I say Arsene? Mourinho?

[johntheclaret]

personaly i think Gerrard Houlier was the best since the premier league started

I'm not sure whether you're taking the piss and being a WUM with that one, but off the top of my head, perhaps, Fergie maybe a touch better, even closer to home for you dare I say Arsene? Mourinho?

I think maybe bully was referring to Liverpool managers DA

[JK]

Still no way Houllier was the man ... Gave great service and is well respected, but lost the plot in the later years with Cheyrou, Diao, Diouf etc.

Smithy's spot on about the $$ Rafa has had at his disposal, the new owners forked out once, and he secured Torres so he's got a pretty good strike-rate .. After that I reckon he gets about 8mil quid a year and has to sell players to bring new ones in, all within a fairly low $$ ceiling.

[Bully]

personaly i think Gerrard Houlier was the best since the premier league started

I'm not sure whether you're taking the piss and being a WUM with that one, but off the top of my head, perhaps, Fergie maybe a touch better, even closer to home for you dare I say Arsene? Mourinho?

im talking about liverpool managers there. yes as i hate to say it but fergie is the best manager for the premier league, hence the titles he has won. and of course Arsene next with the 3 that Arsenal have won. Mourhino is great, but still has only won 2, reason that wasnt his fault with the owners. im sure if mourhino had have still been with Chelski then 'that' team i.e. Man United would not have won the previous 2

[RoosterMarty]

Bulldog... how can you say United wouldn't have won the last two?

Mourinho was in charge of Chelsea two seasons ago, and last season it was Avram Grant who got them back into the Premier League race. You just can't seem to face up to the fact that United actually have a pretty decent team....

[JK]

Spot on RM ... Also on Mourinho, hard to argue he's not as good as Wenger, might have won 1 less title, but spent about 15 years less than Wenger in the EPL (for the record I prefer Wenger as the manager as Chelsea did nothing but purchase theirs -Makes Man U's achievements even greater)

[devilsadvocate]

Ah, yes, Liverpool Managers....my bad! I'd put Rafa ahead of Houlier too.

And for what it's worth, IMO, I'd take Mourinho over Arsene simply because there's less crap to put up with from the Special One. And that's not saying much for Wenger, because TSO is a bloody circus.

[JK]

And for what it's worth, IMO, I'd take Mourinho over Arsene simply because there's less crap to put up with from the Special One.

And maybe the fact he manages your arch rival .. Minor detail I know

[devilsadvocate]

And for what it's worth, IMO, I'd take Mourinho over Arsene simply because there's less crap to put up with from the Special One.

And maybe the fact he manages your arch rival .. Minor detail I know

But in my eyes, Chavski are so close behind Ar5ena1 in the hatred stakes, they may as well be shagging one another.

I dunno, I just like Jose's antics. He's such a peanut, but so entertaining. He has a great way of playing with the media, pissing everyone off, but being almost likable at the same time.

I'd put a wager on the fact that Jose will coach at Spurs one day. He wants to do it by all accounts and most Yids I know, would love to have him.

[smithy]

A fan of special1 tv are you DA ?

[devilsadvocate]

The show cracks me up. Rooonehh's scouse accent does it for me every time.

[smithy]

The show cracks me up. Rooonehh's scouse accent does it for me every time.

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GOLD !

With Austar, we get setanta for an extra $5.95 a month (just the 1 setanta) and I absolutely love it.
They don't show EPL games here, probably cause of the fox arrangement, but all the other football they show and the magazine/news shows that go with it is brilliant.
I saw Jason McAteer on football matters last week, has he come out the closet yet?
The man who famously asked for his pizza to be cut into 4 pieces cause he wasn't that hungry..

[johntheclaret]

Spot on RM ... Also on Mourinho, hard to argue he's not as good as Wenger, might have won 1 less title, but spent about 15 years less than Wenger in the EPL (for the record I prefer Wenger as the manager as Chelsea did nothing but purchase theirs -Makes Man U's achievements even greater)

Come on Connie. Don't they all purchase the title. It's just that some, b4st4rds and chavski, do it in a shorter space of time.

Do you honestly believe that Man U under Fergie haven't purchased the title year after year. Look at their spending on players. How much have they forked out over the last two years. Berbatov, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, what's that alone 80 or 90 £million.

Sure fergie is a good manager, that is without question, just look at his record at Aberdeen, when they muscled in on the Glasgow cartell, but let's not be blinded by the facts. United are the best team in the country because they spend huge amounts of money to buy the best players.

Maybe that has been the trouble at Liverpool. they just haven't quite, or don't have the resources anymore, to take that extra step.

[JK]

Spot on RM ... Also on Mourinho, hard to argue he's not as good as Wenger, might have won 1 less title, but spent about 15 years less than Wenger in the EPL (for the record I prefer Wenger as the manager as Chelsea did nothing but purchase theirs -Makes Man U's achievements even greater)

Come on Connie. Don't they all purchase the title. It's just that some, b4st4rds and chavski, do it in a shorter space of time.

Do you honestly believe that Man U under Fergie haven't purchased the title year after year. Look at their spending on players. How much have they forked out over the last two years. Berbatov, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, what's that alone 80 or 90 £million.

Sure fergie is a good manager, that is without question, just look at his record at Aberdeen, when they muscled in on the Glasgow cartell, but let's not be blinded by the facts. United are the best team in the country because they spend huge amounts of money to buy the best players.

Maybe that has been the trouble at Liverpool. they just haven't quite, or don't have the resources anymore, to take that extra step.

No question mate, but surely there's a difference with the level Chelsea took it to and in the timeframe thay did it within??

[johntheclaret]

Not really.

Look at b4st4rds. 91-92 season they were just winning promotion from the 2nd div. Walker had bought the club with his £millions, installed Kenny Dalgliesh as manager, and went on to pay a then league record transfer fee of £3.5m for Alan Shearer (Can you believe it. EPL record fee £3.5m).

With so much investment in players, winthin 3 years they were champions. Chavski were already a well established EPL side when Roman took over.

The only difference is the level of cash avaialble. Walker was rich, but in today's market he wouldn't rank in the top 500. Wigan are another good example. No nothing club from the amateur league, until Whelan and his JJB millions bought them. Then a meteoric rise through the leagues to the EPL. Again, he doesn't have the wealth to take that extra step.

Difference I guess between Chavski and teams like b4st4rds and Wigan, is sustainability. Wigan is not a footballing town so they were never going to be able to build the fan base, and as for b4st4rds, when Walker died and the money ran out, well enough said.

[JK]

OK, but the whole discussion started over Mourinho being an instant beneficiary of world record spending (the likes of which hadn't been seen before in England) ... Took Fergie 5 years or something with Man U, but he developed their culture and mainly through youth, created a sustainable long period of success, so I don't put Mourinho on anywhere near the same level.

No doubt he's a quality manager, and to be honest (never thought Id say this) I miss his outbursts and views on things

[Bully]

Bulldog... how can you say United wouldn't have won the last two?

Mourinho was in charge of Chelsea two seasons ago, and last season it was Avram Grant who got them back into the Premier League race. You just can't seem to face up to the fact that United actually have a pretty decent team....

no i cant. hate the club and hate the team. simple fact that i cant stand man united. nothing wrong with that is there. i guess we will never know then will we that if mourhino had still been there. my guess is that no man united wouldnt have won the last 2

[RoosterMarty]

Bulldog... how can you say United wouldn't have won the last two?

Mourinho was in charge of Chelsea two seasons ago, and last season it was Avram Grant who got them back into the Premier League race. You just can't seem to face up to the fact that United actually have a pretty decent team....

no i cant. hate the club and hate the team. simple fact that i cant stand man united. nothing wrong with that is there. i guess we will never know then will we that if mourhino had still been there. my guess is that no man united wouldnt have won the last 2

You can hate a team yet still think they play good football....

Also, United beat Chelsea to the title two seasons ago when Mourinho was there... so your last point is ridiculous.

[Bully]

Bulldog... how can you say United wouldn't have won the last two?

Mourinho was in charge of Chelsea two seasons ago, and last season it was Avram Grant who got them back into the Premier League race. You just can't seem to face up to the fact that United actually have a pretty decent team....

no i cant. hate the club and hate the team. simple fact that i cant stand man united. nothing wrong with that is there. i guess we will never know then will we that if mourhino had still been there. my guess is that no man united wouldnt have won the last 2

You can hate a team yet still think they play good football....

Also, United beat Chelsea to the title two seasons ago when Mourinho was there... so your last point is ridiculous.

again my POINT is not ridiculous. i am mearly stating that i do not like Manchester United. I hate the team and the club as i keep saying. But i understand they play good football. hence the position they are in. wether it be becasue they breed english players or spend big on players, i dont know and dont care. call it jealousy or whatever you want. Whoopty Friggen do if they beat Chelsea in the season or seasons that Chelsea won. Arsenal beat Man United at the emirates THIS season, and yes as an Arsenal fan i have odviously said that we/Arsenal will not win the league this season

So in fact you have a ridiculous point there also. Yes maybe man united did beat Chelsea in Chelseas winning year/years but Man United did not win that season.