EPL Discussion Thread 2010/2011

[mighty hounds]

WTF is Liverpool doing on that list

I have never agreed that Liverpool should be part of the "Big 4" list. They haven't done enough and been a consistant top 4 team to warrant it

Well who would be the 4 then, there is no way Man City or Tottenham have performed better and more consistent than Liverpool since the premier league inception, the only year any of those teams have finished higher than Liverpool was last season, maybe a Big 3 would be a better term as only 3 of the Big 4 have ever won the premiership and the only other club to win Blackburn wouldn't warrant that status. The only others to be considered IMO would be Everton and Villa.

Liverpool vs Everton, Man C, Tottenham, Villa since premier league inception

Top 4 finishes 12 vs 4
Community Shields 2 vs 1
Carling Cups 3 vs 2
FA Cups 2 vs 1
UEFA Cups 1 vs 0
Champions League 1 vs 0

I think the facts speak for itself

English Premier League Title 0 vs 0 vs 0

[mighty hounds]

WTF is Liverpool doing on that list

I have never agreed that Liverpool should be part of the "Big 4" list. They haven't done enough and been a consistant top 4 team to warrant it

Well who would be the 4 then, there is no way Man City or Tottenham have performed better and more consistent than Liverpool since the premier league inception, the only year any of those teams have finished higher than Liverpool was last season, maybe a Big 3 would be a better term as only 3 of the Big 4 have ever won the premiership and the only other club to win Blackburn wouldn't warrant that status. The only others to be considered IMO would be Everton and Villa.

Liverpool vs Everton, Man C, Tottenham, Villa since premier league inception

Top 4 finishes 12 vs 4
Community Shields 2 vs 1
Carling Cups 3 vs 2
FA Cups 2 vs 1
UEFA Cups 1 vs 0
Champions League 1 vs 0

I think the facts speak for itself

English Premier League Title 0 vs 0 vs 0

[LMA]

Yes I'm aware of their lack of Premier League success as you are probably aware of the pre 1992 success at the top flight, but that hasn't answered the question, if Liverpool haven't warranted a place in the "Big 4" because of their so called inconsistency show me another club that does. At the end of the day it just a term used which means SFA

[mighty hounds]

Yes I'm aware of their lack of Premier League success as you are probably aware of the pre 1992 success at the top flight, but that hasn't answered the question, if Liverpool haven't warranted a place in the "Big 4" because of their so called inconsistency show me another club that does. At the end of the day it just a term used which means SFA

They havent featured enough in the top 4 since there success. Arsenal and Man UTD are the only two teams that have been consistanly in the top 4 for ages. Im only putting chelsea in there because of the premier league success. It had nothing to do with overseas trophies. only what u have done in ur homeland.

Liverpool havent won the big dance since ive been born but im aware of the success all those years ago.

It should be a "Big 3".

[JK]

Other than utilising a different term, why is the premier league any different to the highest league pre-1992 .. Both are/were the top flight in the country arent they?

[Bully]

thanks you LFC for beating chelsea for us to do us a favour

[Bulls forever]

Can't understand why everyone is obsessed about this big four, yes Spurs record against these 4 named sides is crap away from home, as is there current EPL form. Over the past 5 years, there are only two teams that have dominated EPL and Europe, MU and Chelski, Arsenal haven't one a chook raffle in that time, Liverpool might just include the Champions League "best comeback in the history of top level soccer" win. So you have a big two, the next tier, that would probably be Arsenal & Liverpool, then Spurs, MC, etc. etc.

[JK]

Wouldnt say Chelsea have dominated Europe .. They've been one of the better teams for sure, but have only played in one (losing) final so they havent exactly dominated

[Jim05]

Chelsea good in europe? Laughing stock more like it. All that money and sweet fa

[Bulls forever]

Chelsea good in europe? Laughing stock more like it. All that money and sweet fa

Jimbo, you can bring up stats to prove me wrong, but behind MU, Chelski would be the best performed EPL side in Champions League in last 5 years - YES / NO. Anyway, enough of that crap, the topic is about a Big 4 in the EPL and quite simply it does not exist, top 2 - yes, but Arsenal and Liverpool have just not done enough of late to be put in the same catergory as MU and Chelski. To talk of Spurs and Man City in that bracket is laughable at the moment. Maybe when our new stadium (see website) is built and we can get 60,000 turning up to support the Spurs and generate the income, only time will tell.

[mighty hounds]

Good to see I generated some discussion. u guys that have talked about Europe have gone of the ball I talked about consistency in England and finishing regularly in the top 4

[johntheclaret]

The big 4 is just a media term anyway. Like I said, when the term was first bandied about it was Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs and Connie is spot on, it was about more than just on field success. It was about fanbase, influence, consistency, etc etc.

A lot has changed since then and personally I don't think a "big four" exists any more.

Chelsea will never been seen in the same class as Liverpool because anyone over 15 years old know they would be nothing without a foreigners investment. They don't have the kudos, fan base or history of Liverpool or Manu or even Spurs for that matter.

[Bully]

yes the big four is only from the media. These top 4 sides have been there for the past few seasons but dont forget a short while ago leeds and newcastle were up there so the big 4 does not exist .

i agree with JTC that chelsea would be no where (like they were before the russian billionaire arrived) and around the top 5-10 year in year out. Yes Ilduce you may have won cups in those times but you were not in the same league as you are now. On that topic i keep hearing that the russians money wont be around much longer and chelsea will have to pay it back? is this true?

we wont start on man city where they were a few years ago before the arabs came along, up and down like a yoyo

[johntheclaret]

Herd today that Chelsea are going to apply to redevelop Earls Court. Not sure how true that is or even if they can. I understand there is a caveat regarding Chelsea and Stamford Bridge although I'm sure there will be wys round that.

Not sure about Roman pulling out Bully. his investment is via directors loans so should the club ever be sold (unlikely) then the new owners technically would have to repay him. But he can't demand Chelsea repay him unless there is a written contract that allows him to do so. Reality is the Chelsea could never repay that level of debt (£800m I think it is) and Roman would never take action that would put at risk his investment.

It is true though that his new wife has no interest in football and he has been pumping millions into her hobby of collecting art.

[Jim05]

Utd dropped points again this morning. Very average manchester derby, still dirty we didnt get all 3 points against those scumbags but at least we didnt lose

[LMA]

Good to see I generated some discussion. u guys that have talked about Europe have gone of the ball I talked about consistency in England and finishing regularly in the top 4

12 times in 18 seasons sounds pretty regular to me

[cossi11]

A very disappointed toffees fan here! 64%/36% possession to Everton, 26 shots on goal against Boltons 11 and we went 1-0 down in the 79th minute or so from a stupid mistake by Jagielka, he was just too casual

At the end of the day we scraped a point so shouldnt complain too much! IMO Baines was my man of the match, so quick on the ball and can get some lethal crosses into the box and even create his own chances! He was head to head with Fellaini until he snapped for 1 quick second and kicked Robinson while they were both on the ground, utter stupidity from the big Belgium man, but on the positive side Fellaini looked in great form for his first game back in a couple of months.

[RoosterMarty]

Utd dropped points again this morning. Very average manchester derby, still dirty we didnt get all 3 points against those scumbags but at least we didnt lose

City are pathetic. They were happy to take a draw despite being at home. Considering they have spent so much money and want to win trophies it was pretty poor, they will never win anything with that attitude.

Not a bad point for United.

[Swooper16]

Utd dropped points again this morning. Very average manchester derby, still dirty we didnt get all 3 points against those scumbags but at least we didnt lose

City are pathetic. They were happy to take a draw despite being at home. Considering they have spent so much money and want to win trophies it was pretty poor, they will never win anything with that attitude.

Not a bad point for United.

Both teams certainly looked like they were playing not to lose rather then to win. I guess Mancini must have thought if they lose that game he was without a job. Would have liked to have seen Utd play Hernandez & berba together for the final 10 mins and try and turn some of that possession into a goal. Utd will need to beat a few of the top teams away from home at some stage tho if we are any chance to take out the league after too many (stupidly) dropped points to start the season.

[Swooper16]

Utd dropped points again this morning. Very average manchester derby, still dirty we didnt get all 3 points against those scumbags but at least we didnt lose

City are pathetic. They were happy to take a draw despite being at home. Considering they have spent so much money and want to win trophies it was pretty poor, they will never win anything with that attitude.

Not a bad point for United.

Both teams certainly looked like they were playing not to lose rather then to win. I guess Mancini must have thought if they lose that game he was without a job. Would have liked to have seen Utd play Hernandez & berba together for the final 10 mins and try and turn some of that possession into a goal. Utd will need to beat a few of the top teams away from home at some stage tho if we are any chance to take out the league after too many (stupidly) dropped points to start the season.