Man UTD season 2010/11

[JK]

City wont win anything they are a club that come from a losing culture and need to change their whole setup before they start winning. Plus chelsea are in era of dominance so i think they will be 2nd or 3rd for a while. Chelsea have used their money and resources smartly and assembled a great team, where as city have just splashed cash willy nilly. Buying all the best players in the worl doesnt guarantee success just ask real madrid who have got eff all from their squillions soent. A great team will always beat a team if overpaid individuals

You could argue that Chelsea's culture wasn't any better until the players and money came in .. In todays world, where changes in the economical climate can have such a profound effect on clubs throughout the world, it's impossible to predict with any certainty who is going to do what, in the years to come.

IMHO .. Chelsea's and Man City's owners are just THAT wealthy, that they can weather any of these economy induced hardships so I think those two clubs are safe for a long, long time to come.

Man Utd are feeling the pinch of leverage owners as Liverpool is, but Man U will always be close to the biggest club in the world and I think they would have a number of ultra wealthy people lining up for them when the chance to claim ownership arises, so whilst by their lofty standards they MIGHT take a slight dip, it's foolhardy to write off clubs as big as them.

[johntheclaret]

Chelsea hadn't won diddly squat for about 50 years prior to the money coming in. There is no such thing as a culture of winning or a culture of losing. It's about the players 1st and the manager 2nd.

City will become a major force in the EPL quite simply because they have the funds, just like Chelsea have done.

As for Rooney, so it was all bullshit afterall. Just a ploy to double his wages and get a five year deal and United fell for it.

Those who think it is great news are obviously are seeing it through red coloured glasses. Any player who demands a double my money deal or I'm off isn't the type of player you want at the club.

Uniteds willingness to over look at the shit that Rooney has spouted and give him this huge pay rise and long contract shows how desperate they have become.

[Swooper16]

Certainly understand that point of view JTC but on the other hand when Rooney announced he wasnt going to extend everyone quickly stated how Utd (under the Glazers) could no longer compete with the City's and Chelsea's of the world. At least the fact they are willing to spend this on a contract means that they must be willing to spend the cash on the squad if required.

As a Utd fan to me that is the biggest positive out of this whole outcome.

[johntheclaret]

From a purely cynical perspective, United can't afford to let him go. He probably represents a £100m+ asset to them and should the Glazers reach the point where they have to sell, having an asset like Rooney on their books is essential. Although he has doubled his cost he also generates millions £££'s in merchandising and sponsorship sales to the club, all of which adds value to the final price tag.

I think the look on Fergie's face, during his interview yestrday, said it all.

It was also reported that the Glazers contacted Rooney directly. In my unqualified opinion, Fergie would have been prepared to let Rooney go as he was becoming Utd's Berbatov at Spurs, but i also think Fergie was over ruled by the powers that be, purely based on the financial bigger picture.

City denied making any such offer, £100m or not, and right now Rooney's form hasn't exactly set the world on fire. If Utd do want to ship him out, far better they do it with the strength of a 5 year contract tied up than a year left on his current one and a Rooney that has recaptured some form would be far more attractive to any prospective buyer.

Uniteds (Fergie's) uncharacteristic back down may appear to some as a weakness, but in the long term it might prove to be a shrewd decision.

[Bully]

Chelsea hadn't won diddly squat for about 50 years prior to the money coming in. There is no such thing as a culture of winning or a culture of losing. It's about the players 1st and the manager 2nd.

City will become a major force in the EPL quite simply because they have the funds, just like Chelsea have done.

As for Rooney, so it was all bullshit afterall. Just a ploy to double his wages and get a five year deal and United fell for it.

Those who think it is great news are obviously are seeing it through red coloured glasses. Any player who demands a double my money deal or I'm off isn't the type of player you want at the club.

Uniteds willingness to over look at the **** that Rooney has spouted and give him this huge pay rise and long contract shows how desperate they have become.

agreed JTC.

[Il Duce]

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup
Winners: 1970–71, 1997–98

UEFA Super Cup
Winners: 1998

FA Charity Shield/FA Community Shield
Winners: 1955, 2000

Full Members Cup
Winners: 1985-86, 1989-90

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Second Division
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That is Chelsea's trophy cabnet before roman rolled in with the $$$ so comparing to the big clubs it isnt fantastic and it did require romans money but also in saying that, Chelsea had a fiarly good squad that use to finish between 3-6 most seasons from when gullit took over in the mid 90's so the move from an almost team to champions wasnt that big or hard, man city on the other hand where mid tablers most seasons before the arabs so may take them a little longer.

Man Utd on the other hand certianly shouldnt of caved in to rooneys threats of leaving, they have always been able to find players to replace that of what they sell and they have usally been of top quality, the sold beckham and got in ronaldo for example, so they certianly shouldnt of payed rooney all that cash.

[RoosterMarty]

Rooney could still leave but his contract was due to expire at the end of next season I think so he could have walked for free, or the bidding team's may have offered less due to his contract situation. The new contract enables United to receive the maximum amount on offer if he does choose to leave. Or he could stay when United spend 100 mill on new players.

Not sure how accurate that figure is however.

[Bully]

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup
Winners: 1970–71, 1997–98

UEFA Super Cup
Winners: 1998

FA Charity Shield/FA Community Shield
Winners: 1955, 2000

Full Members Cup
Winners: 1985-86, 1989-90

First Division/Premier League
Winners: 1954–55

Second Division
Winners: 1983–84, 1988–89

FA Cup
Winners: 1969–70, 1996–97, 1999–00

Football League Cup
Winners: 1964–65, 1997–98


That is Chelsea's trophy cabnet before roman rolled in with the $$$ so comparing to the big clubs it isnt fantastic and it did require romans money but also in saying that, Chelsea had a fiarly good squad that use to finish between 3-6 most seasons from when gullit took over in the mid 90's so the move from an almost team to champions wasnt that big or hard, man city on the other hand where mid tablers most seasons before the arabs so may take them a little longer.

Man Utd on the other hand certianly shouldnt of caved in to rooneys threats of leaving, they have always been able to find players to replace that of what they sell and they have usally been of top quality, the sold beckham and got in ronaldo for example, so they certianly shouldnt of payed rooney all that cash.

not to mention the debt your club was in before the russian with his billions came along

[Jim05]

Hernandez does it again. Goal in 90th for 3-2 win over wolves in carling cup. Little mehican fast becoming a cult figure at utd. Good to see bebe score his first aswell

[BALLHOG]

Looks like O'shea has signed a four year deal worth 80,000 pound a week. So you think he would see out the remainder of his career at Old Trafford.

[Jim05]

Great win tonight. Thought we were well worth the win. Great header by vidic and the 2nd goal was one of the funniest ive seen for a while. Gomes was just hillarious
Unfortunate that the arse and chelsea nicked late winners but good night topped off by man shitty getting done by wolves. Money well spent that. Should of spent their millions at the casino at least their is a chance of getting a return on your hard earned

[RoosterMarty]

Very very good win against a quality Spurs team, but once again they crumbled at Old Trafford.

That Nani goal was comedy gold, Gomes is one of the dumbest professional footballers on the planet.

[Bully]

hmmm dunno. it mabe tottenham but i think it was an unfair goal and believe it should have been disallowed.
i know i will cop it when i say this but will anyway, it could only happen at old trafford, anywhere else it would not be allowed.

[RoosterMarty]

Yeah it only happens at Old Trafford.

Didn't Liverpool get a dodgy one as well? Plus Arsenal love to dive to win penalties it seems lately.

Anyway, why should it be disallowed? Why did Gomes throw the ball out in front? He knew Nani was right there and did the referee blow his whistle to stop the game? Nope.

[Jim05]

Agreef marty the ref didnt blow whistle for foul so play on. Should have been penalty in first place. Spurs definately our bunnies at home they never seem to offer much when they come to old trafford.

[johntheclaret]

Once again Clattenberg kills what should have been a great game with his incompetence. I said it during the City v Arsenal and I'll say it again. He is incompetent.

No way was it a penalty, Nani knew the ball was gone so went down trying to win a penalty. For those who are not sure, this is called a dive. Then he clearly handled the ball, not only did he hand ball it, he grabbed it and rolled to himself.
Now if anyone didn't see that, it's because you were watching another channel.

Linesman flagged, Gomes picked the ball up and placed it for the free kick. Whislt giving Nani a spray for diving.
Clatteberg let's play go on, nani scores and the clattenberg goes and has a coflab with the linesman, who's flag is still raised, and Ferdinand. Incredibly he let's the goal stand. As bully said, only at old trafford

[johntheclaret]

Whilst we are on the subject, that decision and all the events around it show how pathetic the EPL has become.
It's become a non contact sport where 99% of the players are cheats who will go to any lengths to win.
You get no more than 40 mins of actual play and the big clubs and "star players" influence the refs decision.
Refs now think they are bigger than the game and the rules have become so complicated no one understands them anymore.
If it wasn't for sky's money they would all be ****** and therefore sky influences schedules and, dare I say, results.

As long as you have people like Blatter and Platini in charge the game is going to go backwards.

Most of you on here have only had the coverage since since satellite tv and won't have seen much of the real 1st division.

It's all gone to shite over last 10-15 years.

[Bully]

Yeah it only happens at Old Trafford.

Didn't Liverpool get a dodgy one as well? Plus Arsenal love to dive to win penalties it seems lately.

Anyway, why should it be disallowed? Why did Gomes throw the ball out in front? He knew Nani was right there and did the referee blow his whistle to stop the game? Nope.

yes it does.

clear handball from your player, and also a dive. Thats why it should be disallowed. Im sure if the shoe was on the other foot you would be complaining. And no when i can see the goal should not be given i will agree to it.... there has been a few goals recently i believe that they should not have been given for arsenal...i.e. a penalty awarded to Chamakh at the emirates. was a clear dive

[Jim05]

Its not the dive that was the problem it was the fistfull of shirt impeding nani as he entered the box. Shirt pulling IS a penalty like it or not. Refs are usually blindsided though. I agree that it has become soft used to love watching pinching,shirt pulling and kidney whacks in the old div 1 days. Unfortunately those days are gone so we have to watch what the games bigwigs dish up

[Bully]

even your manager said it was a mistake from the assistant. Yes he said it was an error from the goal keeper and im not say that wasnt. I am just saying it happens more so often at old trafford then other stadiums.

Everyone except Man utd players, officals and supporters agree the goal should not have been given.