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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 8:38 pm

bennymacca wrote:Didn't realise their rules were so different. No wonder they are doing better than the crows


The only ones we could keep was the players that where on Port's list, which we still paid a transfer fee for even though they weren't changing teams. Once these players filter through (move on/retire) we will only be taking players from the academy side 18-21 years olds.
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby Tech1 » Tue May 06, 2014 10:06 pm

kickinit wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Didn't realise their rules were so different. No wonder they are doing better than the crows


The only ones we could keep was the players that where on Port's list, which we still paid a transfer fee for even though they weren't changing teams. Once these players filter through (move on/retire) we will only be taking players from the academy side 18-21 years olds.


The part about taking players from the 18-21 academy side is good (and that's the way it should be) is that the official clubs stance is it? but i don't think it should be when these players choose to retire or choose to move on, the change should be made next year at worst with a one years notice. You can't have the big advantage you have this year for potentially the next four or five years.
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 06, 2014 10:11 pm

kickinit wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Didn't realise their rules were so different. No wonder they are doing better than the crows


The only ones we could keep was the players that where on Port's list, which we still paid a transfer fee for even though they weren't changing teams. Once these players filter through (move on/retire) we will only be taking players from the academy side 18-21 years olds.


Who did you pay a transfer fee to? Yourself??
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 10:35 pm

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kickinit wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Didn't realise their rules were so different. No wonder they are doing better than the crows


The only ones we could keep was the players that where on Port's list, which we still paid a transfer fee for even though they weren't changing teams. Once these players filter through (move on/retire) we will only be taking players from the academy side 18-21 years olds.


Who did you pay a transfer fee to? Yourself??


The SANFL, I'm sure the other clubs didn't see anything from it.
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 06, 2014 10:37 pm

I was just wondering, If the Power or Crows were found guilty of cheating the salary cap at AFL level would that flow down and the clubs be penalized at SANFL level and how could the SANFL punish them?
Take points away- No they wouldnt care
Recruiting bans- no, it wouldnt be a penalty
Or if they were to be found guilty of paying more than $400/game to top up players what would that penalty be?
The way I see it they can pretty much do as they like
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 06, 2014 10:38 pm

kickinit wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
kickinit wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Didn't realise their rules were so different. No wonder they are doing better than the crows


The only ones we could keep was the players that where on Port's list, which we still paid a transfer fee for even though they weren't changing teams. Once these players filter through (move on/retire) we will only be taking players from the academy side 18-21 years olds.


Who did you pay a transfer fee to? Yourself??


The SANFL, I'm sure the other clubs didn't see anything from it.


And you have proof of that do you?
So you paid how much to who for Summerton?
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby dedja » Tue May 06, 2014 10:38 pm

Hans Brix will write them a nasty letter ...
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 10:42 pm

Tech1 wrote:
kickinit wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Didn't realise their rules were so different. No wonder they are doing better than the crows


The only ones we could keep was the players that where on Port's list, which we still paid a transfer fee for even though they weren't changing teams. Once these players filter through (move on/retire) we will only be taking players from the academy side 18-21 years olds.


The part about taking players from the 18-21 academy side is good (and that's the way it should be) is that the official clubs stance is it? but i don't think it should be when these players choose to retire or choose to move on, the change should be made next year at worst with a one years notice. You can't have the big advantage you have this year for potentially the next four or five years.


The club didn't want to have different top up players from week to week.

If it did get changed who do you think should pay out the contracts of those players?
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby dedja » Tue May 06, 2014 10:44 pm

The idiots who wrote the contracts ... your problem
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 06, 2014 10:45 pm

kickinit wrote:
Tech1 wrote:
kickinit wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Didn't realise their rules were so different. No wonder they are doing better than the crows


The only ones we could keep was the players that where on Port's list, which we still paid a transfer fee for even though they weren't changing teams. Once these players filter through (move on/retire) we will only be taking players from the academy side 18-21 years olds.


The part about taking players from the 18-21 academy side is good (and that's the way it should be) is that the official clubs stance is it? but i don't think it should be when these players choose to retire or choose to move on, the change should be made next year at worst with a one years notice. You can't have the big advantage you have this year for potentially the next four or five years.


The club didn't want to have different top up players from week to week.

If it did get changed who do you think should pay out the contracts of those players?


Any club that takes them on board. Pretty sure any country club would happily take over Summerton's $400/game contract
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 10:48 pm

daysofourlives wrote:And you have proof of that do you?
So you paid how much to who for Summerton?


Taken directly from the SANFL website.

Transfer Fees
• To retain existing 1 – 35 listed Magpies players within the SANFL competition, transfer fees for these players to be set at 50% of transfer fee through SANFL points system.
• 36 – 50 listed Magpies players to transfer SANFL Clubs for zero fee.
• From 2014, Magpies listed 15 players can transfer to other SANFL Clubs for fee of $2,500.
• Players from the academy team to have the ability to move to other SANFL Clubs for zero fee.


http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/page_25/2228/
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 10:50 pm

daysofourlives wrote:Any club that takes them on board. Pretty sure any country club would happily take over Summerton's $400/game contract


Plus the extra he will get paid once he is 28. Which is simply due to the contract he had with the club in 2013.
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby dedja » Tue May 06, 2014 10:52 pm

You mean the club that doesn't exist anymore?
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby bennymacca » Tue May 06, 2014 10:53 pm

daysofourlives wrote:I was just wondering, If the Power or Crows were found guilty of cheating the salary cap at AFL level would that flow down and the clubs be penalized at SANFL level and how could the SANFL punish them?
Take points away- No they wouldnt care
Recruiting bans- no, it wouldnt be a penalty
Or if they were to be found guilty of paying more than $400/game to top up players what would that penalty be?
The way I see it they can pretty much do as they like


fines pretty obviously

but your argument doesnt make sense, because why would they not care about getting points taken away, but then pay their players extra?
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 10:54 pm

dedja wrote:You mean the club that doesn't exist anymore?


club still exists well and truly alive.
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby dedja » Tue May 06, 2014 10:56 pm

So how come you're paying transfer fees for players in the same club?
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 10:56 pm

bennymacca wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:I was just wondering, If the Power or Crows were found guilty of cheating the salary cap at AFL level would that flow down and the clubs be penalized at SANFL level and how could the SANFL punish them?
Take points away- No they wouldnt care
Recruiting bans- no, it wouldnt be a penalty
Or if they were to be found guilty of paying more than $400/game to top up players what would that penalty be?
The way I see it they can pretty much do as they like


fines pretty obviously

but your argument doesnt make sense, because why would they not care about getting points taken away, but then pay their players extra?


Don't worry beeny most of their arguments don't make sense. Their arguments are based on the flavour of the week.
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 06, 2014 10:56 pm

kickinit wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:And you have proof of that do you?
So you paid how much to who for Summerton?


Taken directly from the SANFL website.

Transfer Fees
• To retain existing 1 – 35 listed Magpies players within the SANFL competition, transfer fees for these players to be set at 50% of transfer fee through SANFL points system.
• 36 – 50 listed Magpies players to transfer SANFL Clubs for zero fee.
• From 2014, Magpies listed 15 players can transfer to other SANFL Clubs for fee of $2,500.
• Players from the academy team to have the ability to move to other SANFL Clubs for zero fee.


http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/page_25/2228/


And from that you think you had to pay a transfer fee, woweeeeeee.
Just to clear it up for you, that is what a club like Sturt had to pay for Beard, Kirkwood, Watts etc
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby kickinit » Tue May 06, 2014 10:57 pm

dedja wrote:So how come you're paying transfer fees for players in the same club?


Because the SANFL saw a chance to make money
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Re: AFL in the SANFL discussion/debate

Postby daysofourlives » Tue May 06, 2014 11:00 pm

bennymacca wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:I was just wondering, If the Power or Crows were found guilty of cheating the salary cap at AFL level would that flow down and the clubs be penalized at SANFL level and how could the SANFL punish them?
Take points away- No they wouldnt care
Recruiting bans- no, it wouldnt be a penalty
Or if they were to be found guilty of paying more than $400/game to top up players what would that penalty be?
The way I see it they can pretty much do as they like


fines pretty obviously

but your argument doesnt make sense, because why would they not care about getting points taken away, but then pay their players extra?


Ah yes but the other 8 clubs are also subjected to recruiting bans
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