Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby Grahaml » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:52 pm

OnSong wrote:
I reckon the group Cadell was in even surprised Liggett with how fast they caught Contador and Sanchez.


Shows how much of an advantage drafting is at that level. Cadel was losing seconds on his own vs the tandem of Contador and Sanchez the day before, but the line arrived too early for them to catch him. Then in a group of 7 they shut Contador and Sanchez down as if they weren't even trying. Further evidence why you don't want to leave the group too early in a stage if you want to keep your position overall.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby pels » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:24 pm

Queen stage of the tour.
You reckon there is going to be attacks galore, its now or nothing
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:49 pm

NFC wrote:
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am Bays wrote:I've got the chips, dips, jatz and red wine all set for a compulsory night of TV watching....

Similar, substitute red wine for cc and cola cans though :D
Cant wait for the end of the tour, have to get up for work at 4:30 and havnt missed a stage yet, lack of sleep is hitting me hard

:shock: Insane effort!

Apparantly my Doc reckons 4 cans of Red Bull in a day isnt good for me ;)
The tour rest days have been godsends, home at 5 and asleep by 7 :)
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby Jase » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:22 pm

Jim05 wrote:
NFC wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
am Bays wrote:I've got the chips, dips, jatz and red wine all set for a compulsory night of TV watching....

Similar, substitute red wine for cc and cola cans though :D
Cant wait for the end of the tour, have to get up for work at 4:30 and havnt missed a stage yet, lack of sleep is hitting me hard

:shock: Insane effort!

Apparantly my Doc reckons 4 cans of Red Bull in a day isnt good for me ;)
The tour rest days have been godsends, home at 5 and asleep by 7 :)


I feel somewhat unworthy, I've been falling asleep on the couch and occasionally waking up before the end, usually seeing the presentations... I don't get up until 5:45am... :oops:

I need to harden up... and train harder for next year... ;)
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby Jim05 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:19 am

Just under 60km to go and Andy Schleck has broken away from the leaders.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby NFC » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:21 am

Schleck's got his teammate with him now. Uh oh.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby Swamp Donkey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:08 am

NFC wrote:Schleck's got his teammate with him now. Uh oh.

Please blow up Andy!! Cadel is gonna have to earn this one. I'm tipping contador to have a crack here.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby NFC » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:09 am

Ok the peloton are gaining no time at the moment. This is a huge concern now.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby NFC » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:16 am

The peloton are having a Sunday stroll, Andy gaining a massive lead which could just win him the TDF.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby mickey » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:36 am

Has Cadel killed someone's grandma or something.... he never gets any help from the peleton... they just sit and stare at him.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby NFC » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:38 am

Yep, that was pathetic.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby geppscrossrams » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:03 am

Contador dropped by Evans
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby NFC » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:11 am

HUGE, HUGE fight that by Evans.

Might have saved it. Andy really died in the last 1-2km's.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby geppscrossrams » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:11 am

I can't believe Voeckler has retained the yellow jersey
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby geppscrossrams » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:16 am

Overall standings after stage 18
1. Voeckler
2. A. Schleck +15 sec
3. F. Schleck +1 min 8 sec
4. Evans +1 min 12 sec
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby RustyCage » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:17 am

Will be interesting to see what damage Andy Schlek has done in his legs tomorrow, he really struggled at the end there.
I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby NFC » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:19 am

Frank's going to launch a massive attack tomorrow.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby pels » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:33 am

Awesome ride by A.Schleck, answering his critics in the best way.
Put it all on the line and is a big chance now for victory.
Evans did the last 10km at the front into the wind leading the yellow jersey group with no help, awesome effort by him.
Just got harder for him now.
The GC riders really gambled on letting Schleck go on the Col D'Izoard and they lost.

Leopard have got the advantage now they can use the Schleck 1-2 on Alpe-d’Huez

GC now is
1 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Team Europcar 79:34:06
2 Andy Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 0:00:15
3 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 0:01:08
4 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:01:12
5 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0:03:46
6 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:03:46

4 riders within 1:12 still all to do
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby Grahaml » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:04 am

Brialliantly fun stage. Cadel looks to me the strongest man in the tour now.

Andy was brilliant over the long break, but what his team gives him is incredible. Monfort was out on the break, driving it away (clearly to contact with Andy at the summit of the second climb and not earlier) then nearly singlehandedly beat 5 helpers from Euskatel, Saxo and BMC along that false flat and valley road. Andy put in some turns, but what amaxed me was the Quick Step rider helping. WTF? He's not a teammate, he's not a countryman, you're only hope of beating a climber on a big HC mountaintop is to sit back and let them weaken by doing all the work. Bizzarre decision that I can't explain. But Monfort's presence is the only thing that made that move work and his brialliant judgement of how far up the road he needed to be. If Andy comes to him on the upward slope he'll not be able to wait for Monfort and might have blown up 5km earlier on the stage and ended up losing time.

Interesting that on that final climb, Cadel beat Andy by 2 minutes in more or less a straight fight. No doubt Cadel has some serious strength which bodes well for him in the next 2 days.

Overall, a mixed day for Cadel. Not great having Andy climb back into contention and getting a decent break, but he showed that he was the only one in the field capable (apart from Frank of course) of producing a strong tempo. Cadel on the front solo was going faster than what others could do swapping turns. But riding Sanchez, Contador, Basso, Cunego all off his wheel up that last climb was stunning. He now only needs to worry about the Schlecks. Voeckler is clinging on, but losing ground and will lose too much time in the ITT now, I've no doubt. The Schlecks will want 2 minutes minimum on Cadel in the ITT. Andy is half a sniff with a minute, but Frank is no chance with only a few seconds. But not needing to worry about Contador or Sanchez (in particular those acting in tandem) too much helps. Voeckler won't attack either, so it's a double team effort from the Schlecks to watch for (almost) exlusively. Cadel might not be able to follow both, but he might get some help from Voeckler, Rolland, Basso, Cunego, Contador and Sanchez keen to move up the order or keep their spots in the top 10. He might get into a position where he's expected to contain Andy, while others might mark Frank. If he can't mark both, he might ride hard tempo again to limit losses and keep them in striking distance.

My gut tells me that Cadel is still the effective leader if they hit that ITT with these time gaps. He has more in the tank than Andy and Voeckler at the moment, I'm sure. While he didn't come 5th in the olympic time trial with a bad knee for nothing. But I worry about Andy jumping away again (but how much did today hurt him?) and also Frank looks mightily fresh. But I don't think he's the class of the others and doesn't have that kick Andy has to get separation. He'll more or less have to ride Cadel off his wheel, something I don't see happening.
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Re: Viva Le Tour - Tour de France 2011

Postby Jim05 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:45 am

Great report Graham.
Cant believe some of the news reports and radio this morning saying it was a disappointing day for Cadel and how he has dropped to 4th. That was one of Cadel's best stages on tour, the way he blew off Contador was unreal. If anything Cadel has strengthened his position, now down to a 2 horse race with Contador out of the picture and Voeckler dropping off. Frank Schleck isnt far enough ahead of Cadel and unless he has an amazing ride tonight he will only be fighting for minor placings. The last section last night appeared to take its toll on Andy and i would think he would need to be 2-3 minutes up heading into TT. FWIW i reckon Cadel will pinch a bit of time off him tonight
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