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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:03 pm

kickinit wrote:So I've just found out that cheetah is a personal trainer at a Jett's gym. This explain all of his bro science


There is a PT at one of my gyms that spends more time talking shit with the client than getting them to actually workout. The lulz were really had when he he instructed a young woman, obviously keen to start losing some weight, to do endless repetitions of tricep pushdowns. He's a nice guy, just has no ******* idea and I feel sorry for the people who hand over their money to him.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby kickinit » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:51 pm

Jase wrote:There is a very good chance I am going to regret asking this... but here it goes...

I remember a while ago it was raised by someone that if a person was eating a packet of Tim Tams and two lots of dessert every night they could lose weight by cutting that down to 1/2 a pack and 1 dessert. You disagreed with them, but I have to ask...

If a person weighs say 120Kg (steady) and their daily calorie intake was reduced by the 1/2 a pack of Tim Tams and 1 dessert would they lose weight?

Serious question. If they are maintaining the weight at 120Kg with the full pack and 2 desserts, would cutting that in half cause them to lose weight?

As I said, I don't know and I'm just asking...


If a person is maintaining there weight ( so there eating ther daily maintenance level of calories) and they are eating a full pack of tim tams and 2 deserts and they cut these back by half yes they would lose weight. If it was question like it is in bold then I would of never argued it. The problem I had with it was you can't suggest to someone that just cut this and that by half and you'll lose weight without knowing how many calories they are consuming and also what there daily maintenance levels are. The other problem I have with it is it's too easy to fall into the trap of instead of only eating half the packet of tim tams you end up eating the entire packet. And more then likely when you get done to the weight you want you will probably be down to 1-2 tim tams. now who opens a packet of tim tams and only eats 1. [quote="Jase"][quote="kickinit"]Seriously you have no idea if you want to keep reading bro science keeping doing that. Idea rep range is 8-10 reps for more strength training you are looking at 4-6 reps. Also keeping your rest periods to 30-60seconds in doing super sets drop sets and triple drop sets all help with muscle fatigue. Weight loss comes from a calorie deficit plan and simple. Without a calorie deficit you are not going to lose weight, doesn't matter how much cardio or weight training you do you are not going to lose weight with outa calorie deficit. Before you have a go at me maybe you should do some research on the topic and not this crap personal trainers use to make you think it's the best way.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Squids » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:54 pm

I know drago and light weights to him are heavy to most people.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby kickinit » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:02 pm

Q. wrote:
kickinit wrote:So I've just found out that cheetah is a personal trainer at a Jett's gym. This explain all of his bro science


There is a PT at one of my gyms that spends more time talking shit with the client than getting them to actually workout. The lulz were really had when he he instructed a young woman, obviously keen to start losing some weight, to do endless repetitions of tricep pushdowns. He's a nice guy, just has no ******* idea and I feel sorry for the people who hand over their money to him.


I've seen some funny ones. They think because they have a certificate that says they have read a book they are a seasoned pro.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:02 pm

Squids wrote:I know drago and light weights to him are heavy to most people.


It's relative to the individual. Assess his capabilities first.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby cheetah » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:57 pm

So funny when you call people out and they look like idiots. guys relax this site is for real people who have families and jobs. Q stop pulling out carp web sites please, you keep making yourself look stupider and stupider. Kickinit first brought up long term effects of Duromine, all you brought was a basic mims description. There have been no long term studies done. You cant take duromine with a bad heart. So no high BP or HR. please guys piss off, you have proven your intelligent levels. Give your uneducated advice on other sites.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Phantom Gossiper » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:59 pm

I must say im definately interested to see how your mate goes, and what sort of results he achieves in what sort of time frame.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:19 pm

cheetah wrote:So funny when you call people out and they look like idiots. guys relax this site is for real people who have families and jobs. Q stop pulling out carp web sites please, you keep making yourself look stupider and stupider. Kickinit first brought up long term effects of Duromine, all you brought was a basic mims description. There have been no long term studies done. You cant take duromine with a bad heart. So no high BP or HR. please guys piss off, you have proven your intelligent levels. Give your uneducated advice on other sites.


Who looks stupid?

If you bothered to read the article I mentioned, which was published in the Journal of Sports Medicine, you would have learnt that heavy weight + low reps induces a bigger rise in one's resting metabolic rate, which lasts longer compared to light weights + high reps. Ie. you burn more calories for a longer period of time.

You're giving incorrect information, nevermind that you're promoting drug use before learning the basics about nutrition and exercise.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby kickinit » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:32 pm

cheetah wrote:So funny when you call people out and they look like idiots. guys relax this site is for real people who have families and jobs. Q stop pulling out carp web sites please, you keep making yourself look stupider and stupider. Kickinit first brought up long term effects of Duromine, all you brought was a basic mims description. There have been no long term studies done. You cant take duromine with a bad heart. So no high BP or HR. please guys piss off, you have proven your intelligent levels. Give your uneducated advice on other sites.


And what education do you have to be able to tell who you don't know or know there situation to take drugs to help with weight loss? If there have been no long term studies done how can you say it's safe to use and there's no long term side effects. Like I've said before I have never stated Duromine doesn't work. All I have suggested is that there is a much safer and effective way to long term weight loss.

I've also found out that cheetah is the person who puts up "Dead lifting not allowed in this gym" signs
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:42 pm

kickinit wrote:I've also found out that cheetah is the person who puts up "Dead lifting not allowed in this gym" signs


Wut :shock:
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby heater31 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:45 pm

Q. wrote:
kickinit wrote:I've also found out that cheetah is the person who puts up "Dead lifting not allowed in this gym" signs


Wut :shock:



Goodlife Cross Road weights room has a timber floor. He doesn't work there does he?
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby kickinit » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:45 pm

havent you seen the picture going around of a sticker been put in a gym that says no dead lifting allowed
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:48 pm

kickinit wrote:havent you seen the picture going around of a sticker been put in a gym that says no dead lifting allowed


Nope.

Though I did get scolded once for 'letting the weight hit the ground' after each rep of a deadlift :lol:
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby heater31 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:48 pm

kickinit wrote:havent you seen the picture going around of a sticker been put in a gym that says no dead lifting allowed



Not at my gym I haven't.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby kickinit » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:56 pm

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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:06 pm

kickinit wrote:http://formosafitness.com/?p=912


brb, doing rack pulls...heavier and louder :lol:
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby Bully » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:20 pm

i will be open and admit, i am going to try the calorie counting and see what happens.

But, its hard to count calories, when you go to a deli or carvery for lunch, which is easier then cooking lunch for the day and taking it with you. But, i will try it, for a few weeks, and see what goes..


carbs = 4 cals per car gram
protien = 4 cals per protien gram
fat = 9 cals per fat gram.


is this what i should go by?
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby kickinit » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:48 pm

Bully wrote:i will be open and admit, i am going to try the calorie counting and see what happens.
But, its hard to count calories, when you go to a deli or carvery for lunch, which is easier then cooking lunch for the day and taking it with you. But, i will try it, for a few weeks, and see what goes..
carbs = 4 cals per car gram
protien = 4 cals per protien gram
fat = 9 cals per fat gram.
is this what i should go by?


Easiest way is to plan your meals ahead. use myfitnesspal.com to help count and keep track of calories, it's free and from what i've seen once you select Australia it has all australia foods.

As long as you get the deficit right it will work. If it's not working then you need to adjust your calories lower.
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby whufc » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:45 am

Bully wrote:i will be open and admit, i am going to try the calorie counting and see what happens.

But, its hard to count calories, when you go to a deli or carvery for lunch, which is easier then cooking lunch for the day and taking it with you. But, i will try it, for a few weeks, and see what goes..


carbs = 4 cals per car gram
protien = 4 cals per protien gram
fat = 9 cals per fat gram.


is this what i should go by?


Make sure a fair portion of your diet includes protien. While a deficit will guarantee you weight loss it may not give u the 'look' you after. If you don't include lots of protein you may find you lose muscle size and start to get that 'scrawny' look.

Depends on what ur losing the weight for really.

Don't quote me but I have heard a 45:35:20 protein, carbs, fat ratio is a pretty good way to go
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Re: Duromine vs Professional athlete

Postby OnSong » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:47 am

whufc wrote:Don't quote me but I have heard a 45:35:20 protein, carbs, fat ratio is a pretty good way to go
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