Happy New Year Saddam Hussein!

[TroyGFC]

I read somewhere prehaps yesterdays paper that if they waited another couple of months he would have turned 70 in which he would not of been allowed the death penalty.

[therisingblues]

I am with you Rod Rooster, but we should all think its okay because the USA said so.

Bloody oath ca. As well as ignoring the Kyoto treaty, eating cloned animals and jumping in head over heels for every war that may boost weapons sales for the good old bleeding hearts of the US bible belt, regardless of whether the UN condones it or not, strewth I think it is time to change our anthem to the Star Spangled Banner and mint commemorative coins with John Howard giving George Dubuya a nice old blow job to accurately surmise what Australia's position has become.
As for Saddam, I think he probably deserved to die, but it was incredible that the US ignored the atrocities taking place every day in North Korea, as well as the agressive behaviour it has exhibited to its peaceful neighbours, in favour of invading oil rich Iraq which was only a real threat to its own agressive neighbours and a solid enemy of Al Qaeda.
Suck him off Howard, who cares how it looks as long as we get the spin offs (scraps from the table?) from the US economy, until the place crumbles from the legacy of its current gross mis-management.

Ill informed rant! personally i think the US is the evil empire, but do some research b4 ranting on like that. Makes u sound stupid.
Hussein is fairly mild in evil dictator terms. Jailed for life was the best option.

Ill informed? In what way Lizbeff?
Kyoto treaty? We still haven't signed it.
Cloned animals? Howard says it is a possibilty that Australians will be eating them in the future.
Jumping in head over heels for every war to boost weapons sales? Sadly Australia stuck out like a sore thumb amongst the collection of mostly tiny nations that made up the "Alliance of the Willing". As for the reasons we invaded Iraq... weapons sales and oil would have to be high on the list, no matter how hard the U.S will deny it.
Bleeding hearts of the U.S bible belt? I have been in close contact with a handful over a period of time, and while they definitely don't account for the whole, their perceptions tended to side with the belief that U.S is always right, no matter what.
Atrocities in North Korea? Need not elaborate.
Aggressive behaviour toward its peaceful neighbours? Firing missiles over Japan, abductions etc...
Ignoring the above in favour of invading oil rich Iraq? That is exactly what happened.
Iraq being a threat only to its aggressive neighbours? Where are the WMDs? As for the chemical weapons they once had, where do you think they came from?
Solid enemy of Al Qaeda? Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq hate each other, there was no room for Al Qaeda in Iraq before the U.S moved in and took the hard line away.
As for the rest of what I have said...yes it is a rant, based on my feelings on the above. If I am off in any of my information I'd love to hear it.

[Pseudo]

[Pseudo]

Boys die copying Saddam hanging

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/boys-d ... 54545.html

[Snaggletooth Tiger]

Pretty much sums up America doesn't it?
Dumb... Real dumb!

[Punk Rooster]

Those Pakistani parents would certainly be in line for Parents of the Year...

[mick]

This public execution will act as an inspiration to Saddam supporters. He was a bad, evil guy, but his behaviour in his last minutes showed great courage, the guy certainly had balls. Huge mistake to televise this. If Saddam had been quietly put down in private by lethal injection, there would be noting to inspire his supporters, instead we have an old man showing great courage whilst being taunted by his enemies moments from his death.

[BenchedEagle]

This public execution will act as an inspiration to Saddam supporters. He was a bad, evil guy, but his behaviour in his last minutes showed great courage, the guy certainly had balls. Huge mistake to televise this. If Saddam had been quietly put down in private by lethal injection, there would be noting to inspire his supporters, instead we have an old man showing great courage whilst being taunted by his enemies moments from his death.

Couldnt agree more. whole thing was handled very badly. In a strange way i admired him for taking his punishment bravely. I sort of felt his auroua as a strong leader. It would have been better for the US and Iraq cause, if he was locked away in a prison never to be heard of again.

[BenchedEagle]

Ill informed? In what way Lizbeff?
Kyoto treaty? We still haven't signed it.
Cloned animals? Howard says it is a possibilty that Australians will be eating them in the future.
Jumping in head over heels for every war to boost weapons sales? Sadly Australia stuck out like a sore thumb amongst the collection of mostly tiny nations that made up the "Alliance of the Willing". As for the reasons we invaded Iraq... weapons sales and oil would have to be high on the list, no matter how hard the U.S will deny it.
Bleeding hearts of the U.S bible belt? I have been in close contact with a handful over a period of time, and while they definitely don't account for the whole, their perceptions tended to side with the belief that U.S is always right, no matter what.
Atrocities in North Korea? Need not elaborate.
Aggressive behaviour toward its peaceful neighbours? Firing missiles over Japan, abductions etc...
Ignoring the above in favour of invading oil rich Iraq? That is exactly what happened.
Iraq being a threat only to its aggressive neighbours? Where are the WMDs? As for the chemical weapons they once had, where do you think they came from?
Solid enemy of Al Qaeda? Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq hate each other, there was no room for Al Qaeda in Iraq before the U.S moved in and took the hard line away.
As for the rest of what I have said...yes it is a rant, based on my feelings on the above. If I am off in any of my information I'd love to hear it.

Dont get me wrong i agree with ur sentiments, but u are taking quotes and bit or peices of Leftwing news headlines to make up ur argument.

[therisingblues]

I don't think I am getting you wrong Lizbeff, you said that I was ill informed and hadn't researched my rant, subsequently making myself look "stupid".
My information comes from main stream papers, radio, TV etc. I have also read some left wing views, but I am always careful not to write anything that I cannot back up later if needed to. You could say that my interpretation of that information is left wing, or that I am possibly a bit strong in my expression, but what is important is that what I have written is the truth.
The reason I feel so strongly about all this is that (here comes that left wing) there is insurmountable greed happening on this planet right now, and I feel as though the human race is tearing itself apart. I could rant on, but unfortunately most people will just see it as just that and switch off, so I'll keep it brief.
The U.S's refusal to sign the Kyoto treaty is one of the biggest crimes of the last century IMO, the potential numbers that may suffer/die as either a direct result or from related causes can only be up for conjecture. Scientists have warned for decades about the threat of global warming, but there were always those that denied it and claimed that it's all part of a natural course. Those scientists that are denying the crisis are becoming very rare, and strangely enough they probably come form the same school that produced those amazing "9 out of 10" nutritionists that claim Mc Donalds is a healthy place to eat. In short, the weird weather the whole globe has been experiencing for a few years now is not part of a natural cycle, it has been influenced by an irregular production of greenhouse gases. This issue has become so prominent that governments dreamed up the Kyoto treaty, a big step in countering the problem. I hang my head in shame that Australia has become complicit in the crime of ignoring this treaty.
This is a big topic and I could write forever, but the other points of my rant deserve just as much attention IMO.

[BenchedEagle]

U simplyify ur points of view, without considering the other view.
Im as Left as u get, trust me, but i am open minded enough to look over and see what the right are seeing and balance out my opinions, if i see a major imbalance. The signing of the Kyoto protocol is a disgrace but if it is signed and ratified now, there is no chance that the countrys that count China, India etc will have to reduce their emissions to a level that is equal in proportion to what the rest of the world will have to conform too. But dont despair there is hope with what is dubbed Kyoto 2. The effects of global warming are everyday becoming more evident (see glaciers breaking up, weather patterns) therefore there will be more pressure on the big countrys being pressured by their people to sign.

The war in Iraq was a diaster and the positive to come out of it is that Bush has been exposed and american history will remember him in a very bad light. I have no doubt the US's intentions were oil and asserting their influence in what is essentialy the most important region in the world (unfortunatly oil being the most important commoditie on Earth). Howard made a massive error by trusting the spin intelligence of the US and he genuinely thought going in with the US was the right thing to do for world security, he was wrong our image suffered because of it.

I too could go on all day. so ill end it here

[therisingblues]

China and India fall into that developing countries bracket if I am not wrong, and weren't obligated to sign it.
You are right about the Arctic cap breaking up, I have seen the footage of people's houses falling into the ocean, as the centuries old perma-frost that held the land together tumbles away from beneath them. I have seen Polar Bears starving to death as the habitat they once thrived in disappears... why does it have to get so extreme before the country that matters (ie. the biggest polluter in the world: the U.S ) stops thinking about its profit margin and starts doing something about it?
If you know where I am coming from then you'd also know about the "super cars" that were being developed under the Clinton administration. These were cheap little cars that were going to deliver more power at more miles to the gallon than even the most environmentally friendly hybrid on the market today. I don't have the figures with me but it was really jaw dropping stuff. To develop it they required the appropriate infrastructure, of course, but after about 5 years the first "super car" was due for release sometime in Bush's first year.
Unfortunately, for the planet in general, the U.S car manufacturers hated the idea of producing these cars. They wanted to make big cars, fuel guzzlers with expensive parts that needed lots of maintenance. So Bush scrapped the program. All the infrastructure went down the toilet. Then there is the solar car, that was made as a result of Californian Law requiring car companies to devote a small percentage of their production to the manufacturing of "clean cars". I believe there may be a film about these little wonders in the cinemas now, but I am not sure if it will be touring Japan, so you may know more about them than I do. If so you'll also recall that the U.S car companies did away with them for the same reasons as the super cars. A solar car required hardly any parts compared to a regular fuel driven engine, which equals less profits etc. When they finally applied enough pressure to get the law overturned they recalled every single solar car ( all of which were being hired out, it wasn't possible to own one) and destroyed them all. Imagine that, a 100% environmentally clean vehicle with a top speed of about 60km/h, actually being driven around, this was about 10 years ago! Imagine how viable such a machine would have been now, had it been allowed to survive, and develop!
My point? If the States had followed through with these initiatives then the developing world (China and India) would have viable alternatives to the oil dependant world we are handing to them and they are taking from us.
I have heard excuses from Australia, one was that we were pretty well environmentally friendly at the time of the signing of the treaty anyway, and I have also heard that it is a "flawed treaty" because the States hasn't signed it. What really is happening so far as I am concerned is that Australia staying out of the treaty reduces international pressure on the States.
I am not so interested in the other view as that gets enough airplay by the likes of Bush, Howard, Blair etc. The other point of view is all around us, people that try to buck the other point of view become marginalised, labelled "activists". Recently I heard Howard caution people about "knee-jerk reactions" to global warming. I didn't hear the entire interview so I am not sure what these "knee-jerk reactions" are that he is warning us about, but it was something to do with the nation-wide march to raise awareness about global warming. Excuse my ounce of sarcasm here as I explode with shock at the over reaction of our fellow Australians, actually seeking to peacefully raise awareness about an issue that affects everybody, our children more than any of us. Is this too much of a sudden move for our PM? To actually consider what's happening? If there was more to that interview that dramatically changes the context of what I heard please let me know, because that particular line got me fuming. It makes me want to take on the other extreme just to provide a bit of balance to the overall picture.

[RustyCage]

Is this a game of "lets see how many facts we can reel off to make our opinion seem more important than the rest of the peoples here"?

[therisingblues]

Is this a game of "lets see how many facts we can reel off to make our opinion seem more important than the rest of the peoples here"?

Couldn't be further from the truth pafc. I have written about things that personally left me staggered when I initially heard about them.

[Pseudo]

Is this a game of "lets see how many facts we can reel off to make our opinion seem more important than the rest of the peoples here"?

No, it's a game of "who can post the best Saddam Hussein dangling animated GIF".

Sadly, I seem to be the only entrant thus far

[BenchedEagle]

Is this a game of "lets see how many facts we can reel off to make our opinion seem more important than the rest of the peoples here"?

Seems that way mate, me and rising blues are actually on the same side but he needs to prove he knows better.
I cant be bothered arguing anymore. How did Saddam getting hung turn into The US policy on global warming. lol

[therisingblues]

Mate, I am not arguing to prove you wrong. I was interested in knowing what you had to say. Your previous post revealed a little about your attitude to global warming. But you are yet to prove that any of what I am writing on here is as wrong as you claim it is. But if you view this as some sort of me vs you rather than a debate on what I think is the most important issue facing mankind this century, then I will follow your lead and drop it.
Let the should he or shouldn't he have gotten hung banter to return. I'll take my case elsewhere for a while...