If you have not already heard......another sad individual.

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Postby PhilG » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:16 pm

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Postby TroyGFC » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:59 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776

Check out the link above and take a look at the photos he took of himself in between murders, a very sick person.
http://www.palmoilaction.org.au/

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Postby Aerie » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:37 pm

Firstly, what a terrible tragedy - again. These things shouldn't happen.

I am glad we have gun laws in Australia, but in this case, I am not sure it would make a difference. The killer obviously pre-planned the whole attack and if he hadn't found a gun, he would have found another way. Despite all the talk on guns, I think the main issue is how he got to this place in the first place.

Jealousy, loneliness, being teased, being an outsider, being different. He was trying to get one back for all those in his situation. Mentally he was obviously disturbed and he wanted to go out with a bang.

The multimedia stuff he sent to NBC that has been shown on the news is chilling. It is so sad.

What can be done to stop something like this happening again? I'm not sure. The government can spend more on mental health and bring in stricter gun laws. Perhaps people can be kinder and more tolerant.
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Postby gadj1976 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:02 am

PhilG wrote:When will the US get it through their thick skulls?

THEY NEED GUN LAWS!

We had the guts to do it. What's their problem?


Just putting another slant on this - and I personally hadn't thought of it, there are stories going around the US that if the kids had been armed, the tragedy would've been averted. This is the thinking 'we' are up against in trying to get them to change their stupid laws.
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Postby PhilG » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:57 am

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Postby Pseudo » Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:42 pm

gadj1976 wrote:Just putting another slant on this - and I personally hadn't thought of it, there are stories going around the US that if the kids had been armed, the tragedy would've been averted. This is the thinking 'we' are up against in trying to get them to change their stupid laws.


To my mind, there are two ways a mass murder of this size could have been avoided:

1. nobody was allowed to have guns, or

2. everybody had guns.

The problem lies in the struggle between the two factions, not in one or the other. All the same, just personally, I'm not going to defend anyone's "right to bear arms".
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Postby zipzap » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:57 am

Aerie wrote:The multimedia stuff he sent to NBC that has been shown on the news is chilling. It is so sad.

What can be done to stop something like this happening again? I'm not sure.


Well for starters, NBC could have taken the moral high ground by choosing not to broadcast his rants. By doing so they have made him a martyr for any other prospective gun-nutters who want to gloriously 'go out with a bang'. As he said, the kiddies who shot up Columbine were his heroes, as now will he be to some lonely, maladjusted spotty herbert. The cycle will continue and the media has a big part to play in that IMHO.
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Postby Dissident » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:51 am

zipzap wrote:
Aerie wrote:The multimedia stuff he sent to NBC that has been shown on the news is chilling. It is so sad.

What can be done to stop something like this happening again? I'm not sure.


Well for starters, NBC could have taken the moral high ground by choosing not to broadcast his rants. By doing so they have made him a martyr for any other prospective gun-nutters who want to gloriously 'go out with a bang'. As he said, the kiddies who shot up Columbine were his heroes, as now will he be to some lonely, maladjusted spotty herbert. The cycle will continue and the media has a big part to play in that IMHO.


NBC are for news and news is what's interesting and will get the most people wanting to see it ...


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Postby Hondo » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:43 pm

Pseudo wrote:
gadj1976 wrote:Just putting another slant on this - and I personally hadn't thought of it, there are stories going around the US that if the kids had been armed, the tragedy would've been averted. This is the thinking 'we' are up against in trying to get them to change their stupid laws.


To my mind, there are two ways a mass murder of this size could have been avoided:

1. nobody was allowed to have guns, or

2. everybody had guns.

The problem lies in the struggle between the two factions, not in one or the other. All the same, just personally, I'm not going to defend anyone's "right to bear arms".


I posted early calling for better gun laws in the US, thinking that was why this happened. On reflection, I don't think it would have stopped this tragedy. He wanted to kill and he would have found a way even if there were the strictest gun laws. It's a cultural issue and I fear that the US has a cancer in it's society, it's rotting from the inside. If the students had guns themselves it could potentially have been far worse, imagine a gun shoot-out in a University???

Even in Australia, if you want a gun badly enough I am sure you could get one. You have to hope there are less people over here wanting to go down in a "blaze of glory". That's about a whole range of social policy measures most of which are beyond what I would know about this issue. My condolences to all the friends and family of the victims over there.
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