Does Palestine Exist?

[Wedgie]

I'm always interested in exactly what the history is on the conflicts in the Middle East, I came across this article which was obvioulsly Pro-Israel but I'd be interested on others thoughts who have a bit more idea than me, interesting reading:

"Palestinians doubt Blair can deliver," announces the BBC. "Four Palestinians die in West Bank," reports CNN. "IDF demolishes building used by Palestinian gunmen," announces Israel's government run Channel 1 News. The modern media is filled with stories about the Palestinians, their plight, their dilemmas and their struggles. All aspects of their lives seem to have been put under the microscope. Only one question never seems to be addressed: Who are the Palestinians? Who are these people who claim the Holy Land as their own? What is their history? Where did they come from? How did they arrive in the country they call Palestine? Now that both US President George Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (in direct opposition to the platform he was elected on) have come out in favor of a Palestinian state, it would be prudent to seek answers to these questions. For all we know, Palestine could be as real as Disneyland.

The general impression given in the media is that Palestinians have lived in the Holy Land for hundreds, if not thousands of years. No wonder, then, that a recent poll of French citizens shows that the majority believe (falsely) that prior to the establishment of the State of Israel an independent Arab Palestinian state existed in its place. Yet curiously, when it comes to giving the history of this "ancient" people most news outlets find it harder to go back more than the early nineteen hundreds. CNN, an agency which has devoted countless hours of airtime to the "plight" of the Palestinians, has a website which features a special section on the Middle East conflict called "Struggle For Peace". It includes a promising sounding section entitled "Lands Through The Ages" which assures us it will detail the history of the region using maps. Strangely, it turns out, the maps displayed start no earlier than the ancient date of 1917. The CBS News website has a background section called "A Struggle For Middle East Peace.'' Its history timeline starts no earlier than 1897. The NBC News background section called ''Searching for Peace'' has a timeline which starts in 1916. BBC's timeline starts in 1948.

Yet, the clincher must certainly be the Palestinian National Authority's own website. While it is top heavy on such phrases as "Israeli occupation" and "Israeli human rights violations" the site offers practically nothing on the history of the so-called Palestinian people. The only article on the site with any historical content is called "Palestinian History - 20th Century Milestones" which seems only to confirm that prior to 1900 there was no such concept as the Palestinian People.

While the modern media maybe short on information about the history of the "Palestinian people" the historical record is not. Books, such as Battleground by Samuel Katz and From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters long ago detailed the history of the region. Far from being settled by Palestinians for hundreds, if not thousands of years, the Land of Israel, according to dozens of visitors to the land, was, until the beginning of the last century, practically empty. Alphonse de Lamartine visited the land in 1835. In his book, Recollections of the East, he writes "Outside the gates of Jerusalem we saw no living object, heard no living sound.." None other than the famous American author Mark Twain, who visited the Land of Israel in 1867, confirms this. In his book Innocents Abroad he writes, "A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely.. We never saw a human being on the whole journey." Even the British Consul in Palestine reported, in 1857, "The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population."

In fact, according to official Ottoman Turk census figures of 1882, in the entire "Land of Israel" ["Palestine" on BOTH sides of the Jordan River... see http://masada2000.org/historical.html), there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. This number was to skyrocket to 650,000 Arabs by 1922, a 450% increase in only 40 years. By 1938 that number would become over 1 million or an 800% increase in only 56 years. Population growth was especially high in areas where Jews lived. Where did all these Arabs come from? According to the Arabs the huge increase in their numbers was due to natural childbirth. In 1944, for example, they alleged that the natural increase (births minus deaths) of Arabs in the Land of Israel was the astounding figure of 334 per 1000. That would make it roughly three times the corresponding rate for the same year of Lebanon and Syria and almost four times that of Egypt, considered amongst the highest in the world. Unlikely, to say the least. If the massive increase was not due to natural births, then were did all these Arabs come from?

All the evidence points to the neighboring Arab states of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. In 1922 the British Governor of the Sinai noted that "illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria." In 1930, the British Mandate -sponsored Hope-Simpson Report noted that "unemployment lists are being swollen by immigrants from Trans-Jordania" and "illicit immigration through Syria and across the northern frontier of Palestine is material." The Arabs themselves bare witness to this trend. For example, the governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey el Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to the Land of Israel. Even British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Land of Israel, noted in 1939 that "far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied."

Far from displacing the Arabs, as they claimed, the Jews were the very reason the Arabs chose to settle in the Land of Israel. Jobs provided by newly established Zionist industry and agriculture lured them there, just as Israeli construction and industry provides most Arabs in the Land of Israel with their main source of income today. Malcolm MacDonald, one of the principal authors of the British White Paper of 1939, which restricted Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel, admitted (conservatively) that were it not for a Jewish presence the Arab population would have been little more than half of what it actually was. Today, when due to the latest "intifada" Arabs from the territories under 35 are no longer allowed into pre-1967 Israel to work, unemployment has skyrocketed to over 40% and most rely on European aid packages to survive.

Not only pre-state Arabs lied about being indigenous. Even today, many prominent so-called Palestinians, it turns out, are foreign born. Edward Said (Left), an Ivy League Professor of Literature and a major Palestinian propagandist, long claimed to have been raised in Jerusalem. However, in an article in the September 1999 issue of Commentary Magazine Justus Reid Weiner revealed that Said (Right) actually grew up in Cairo, Egypt, a fact which Said himself was later forced to admit. But why bother with Said? PLO chief Yasir Arafat himself, self declared "leader of the Palestinian people", has always claimed to have been born and raised in "Palestine". In fact, according to his official biographer Richard Hart, as well as the BBC, Arafat was born in Cairo on August 24, 1929 and that's where he grew up.

To maintain the charade of being an indigenous population, Arab propagandists have had to do more than a little rewriting of history. A major part of this rewriting involves the renaming of geography. For two thousand years the central mountainous region of Israel was known as Judea and Samaria, as any medieval map of the area testifies. However, the state of Jordan occupied the area in 1948 and renamed it the West Bank. This is a funny name for a region that actually lies in the eastern portion of the land and can only be called "West" in reference to Jordan. This does not seem to bother the majority of news outlets covering the region, which universally refer to the region by its recent Jordanian name.

The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Canaanite tribe, the Philistines, that died out almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Who is to know the difference? Given the absence of any historical record, one can understand why Yasser Arafat claims that Jesus Christ, a Jewish carpenter from the Galilee, was a Palestinian. Every year, at Christmas time, Arafat goes to Bethlehem and tells worshippers that Jesus was in fact "the first Palestinian".

If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes "Why?" Why invent a fictitious people? The answer is that the myth of the Palestinian People serves as the justification for Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. They therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, many people ignorant of the history of the region, including much of the world media, are only too willing to help.

On second thought, it may be unfair to compare Palestine to Disneyland. After all, Disneyland really exists.

[duncs7]

There are so many things wrong with that, i dont know where to start. Absolute shite.

[Wedgie]

There are so many things wrong with that, i dont know where to start. Absolute shite.

I know there's heaps wrong in there and as I said I'm interested in what the true story may be BUT I'm very uneducated on the matter hence why I'd be interested on people's opinion who have more knowledge than myself on the matter.

[MagicKiwi]

This may help Wedgie:-

http://www.palestinehistory.com/qtime.htm

It has some timelines that are quite lengthy but if you copy and paste the article on the front page, it's like chronology.

[Wedgie]

This may help Wedgie:-

http://www.palestinehistory.com/qtime.htm

It has some timelines that are quite lengthy but if you copy and paste the article on the front page, it's like chronology.

Cheers magickiwi, definately an interesting read and what I was after, I'd be interested on some earlier stuff as well though.

[therisingblues]

Agreed an interesting read Magic Kiwi. It would also be interesting to know the ethnic composition of the area prior to the 20th Century. From what I can gather there were only 12,000 Jews around the year 1900 in the area known as Palestine, and these numbers increased through immigration, once the idea of a Jewish state came closer to reality. Unless I missed something the article only mentions the numbers of Arabs that were displaced through the inclusion of extra areas into the original Jewish state in 1948. In the article provided by Wedgie there is mentioned a huge shift in Arabic numbers toward the then newly proposed state of Israel. It would be interesting to know what truth there is in that.

[Wedgie]

Agreed trb, I have no allegiance to either the Jews or the Arabs but would also be interested to find out who has original claim to most of the area.
I suppose like a lot of contested land you could go back 100 years and find a different story, go back another 100 years and find a different story, there's probably no real ownership of the area.

I read an interesting article in the Australian where a Professor said there would always be violence whilst they tried to segregate the two races and the only possibility of a co-existence would be in the form of a multi-cultural society. I could never see that happening though, mind you there's no reason it shouldn't IMHO.

Easy fix to most wars/disagreeances/etc.
Ban religion of any sort. Its a joke and a disgrace IMHO.

[Psyber]

I always thought there was an etymological relationship between "Palestine" and "Philistine", the Philistines being a semi-nomadic people occupying the region, whom Yahweh [Jehovah] commanded the Israelites to slaughter so as to occupy the promised land he led them to from Egypt!

Of course none of the people in the area were Muslim then, but a mixture of religions, one of which [Zoroastrianism] predated Judaism and Christianity, and about 600 years later again Islam, in concluding there was one true God.

Then of course the Muslims conquered the region and forcefully converted the residents to Islam. I'm not sure if any of the present Palestinians are actually descended from the Philistines or whether they are just "Johnny-come-lately"s of Arab origin falsely claiming a more ancient occupation of the land.

Isn't history fascinating? If anyone knows more accurately about this please enlighten me.

PS: I have my doubts about the truthfulness of the "history" served up in either web site referred to above. Zionism may be a myth created by Jew haters in the past, sometime between the time for blaming everything bad on witches and some future time when we will blame the Klingons. Then everyone writes there own lies and calls them history. You may be able to work out the truth of what happened, but not why or how. There are many versions of events - compare the story of Noah and the flood with the earlier Epic of Gilgamesh of Persian origin.