Teachers 15.75% with 5 months of back pay.

[Psyber]

As I said I don't begrudge the teachers a pay-rise but following my incident yesterday http://www.safooty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=958&start=5600 I thought this was topical for this thread.
20 mins in the Dentists chair this morning getting my front tooth capped, worked out to roughly $8 a minute for the Dentist!!! Yeah yeah I know his over heads (pretty young dental nurses, consumables, power, maintenance etc.) but I still bet a fair chunk (maybe 50%) goes in his pocket.
He did a good job though, tooth looks better than what it did before-hand.

I'd expect less than that at least until the debts from the set up costs are paid. I've been told the chairs are about $10K each.
In my medical practice when full time, I was doing well if I managed to pocket 40% of my fees earned at about $4 per minute of contact time.
Also, about 15% of my working time was non-contact and I didn't get paid for it - doing letters to other doctors etc.
Procedural work, surgery or dental surgery, usually pays better per hour than time based non-procedural work though.

[am Bays]

Yep about $10 K but they last at least 10 years so thats 220-230 working days allowing for holidays etc thats < $5 a day. Can't remember exactly how much our chairs cost at the former health service I worked at but it was about $10 000. The previous chairs had been there almost 20 years from when it was first established (the dental clinic).

Hey $4.00 or $3.20 he would be getting 40-50%. As I said I don't begrudge him

[FlyingHigh]

So you're applying then, FH?

Nah, I'll make my money, measly as it may be, morally

[Pag]

I think the main thrust of the discussion was about relativities Pag - whether one occupation genuinely warrants less or more than another occupation, particularly when the gap between some public sector wage outcomes is more than 100% from one occupation to the next. Do you think social workers for example warrant getting 7.5% over 3 years compared to (in the AEU's words) - up to 21% over the same timeframe?

Personally, I don't. I deal with social workers through Anglicare and other organisations weekly who work with the families of my students, they have a very tough job as well and deserve more than 7.5% over three years. What is the inflation rate at the moment? About 3% per year? If their pay rise is less than the inflation rate, then they're being hard done by.

My old company, who I worked for during my uni, paint lines on roads and the casuals there just went from $18.25 an hour to $20 flat, about a 9% rise in one hit, and social workers, teachers and plenty of other professions have more stressful, and some would say, more important jobs. Should I be angry at the guys I used to work with for accepting their pay rise? Of course not, yet people think teachers are the country's greediest profession, because the bulk of the media reporting surrounds the pay issue and not the conditions.

[Psyber]

.....I deal with social workers through Anglicare and other organisations weekly who work with the families of my students, they have a very tough job as well and deserve more than 7.5% over three years. What is the inflation rate at the moment? About 3% per year? If their pay rise is less than the inflation rate, then they're being hard done by.....

The Medicare rebate on doctors fees has risen by about 64% of the overall inflation since 1973.
It has been a little more for GPs to encourage them to continue bulk billing pensioners and children, and keep the statistics looking good for political purposes.
However, those extra rises have come with strings that involve collecting more data for Medicare, and there have been legislation changes that let Medicare clerical staff turn up and demand to see patient files and quiz the GPs about the stuff the clerks don't understand. [Medicare do not have to inform the patients they are doing so.]

It is no surprise nearly all the doctors I know are encouraging their kids to do Law, Dentistry, or Veterinary Science instead.
In one specialty in Victoria, in 2005, they had 56 training positions available and only 25 applicants...
[I heard all about it because I was on an AMA committee with the relevant Professor supervising the training scheme.]

Anyone have figures on how MPs salaries and allowances stack up with inflation?

[Psyber]

Here's an easy $80K plus benefits but a little frustrating apparently:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/yes-mi ... -omsa.html

Perplexed and amused, I dusted off the suit and attended my one and only interview. ''I'll be writing speeches for who?''
''Minister Roxon,'' answered my interviewer.
''And you're going to pay me how much?''
''Eighty thousand a year. Will that be enough?''

[Squawk]

Another salary comparison has surfaced, (just for interest! ):

BAND 1 TEACHERS (from 1/10/09)

Step 1 = $53,524 (graduate entry)
2 56286
3 59047
4 61805
5 64573
6 67333
7 70093
8 73827
AST 1/KEY TEACHER (fall back) 76061
AST 2 79620
BAND 2 PROMOTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS
COORDINATOR 1 76061
COORDINATOR 2 79314
COORDINATOR 3 82898
ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL 1 83842
ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL 2 88792
BAND 3 PRINCIPALS/ DEPUTY PRINCIPALS
PC01 84784
PC02 90357
PC03 95932
PC04 101505
PC05 107082
PC06 112656
PC07 118231
PC08 123804

Versus

http://www.asis.gov.au/careers.html

JOB TYPE: Permanent
JOB REFERENCE: 1000/1
SALARY: $62,733 - $84,135 (plus super)
CLOSING DATE: 31-Mar-2010
DESCRIPTION: Working as an Intelligence Officer is a unique job that is challenging and exciting - it's a role not just anyone can do.
As an Intelligence Officer, you'll gather intelligence overseas with the potential to help protect and promote Australia's national interests and security.
You'll have an innate sense of curiosity, enjoy connecting with people from different cultures, and know what it takes to strive for results. You'll be put in situations that draw on your judgement, intellect and inner strengths like no other type of job. So if you're an extraordinary person in an ordinary job, we want to hear from you.