SMOKERS

[rod_rooster]

lets use one of wedgies quotes about keeping to the ACTUAL topic, HAHA

Good point, bloody MW bringing up the soccer in a smoking thread!

I dunno, Melbourne Victory SMOKED Adelaide tonight....

Have to pay that one 1980TM

[am Bays]

So we bloody well stop them!! What - are you prepared to just sit on your thumbs and let people kill themselves? Are you serious?? If we have a chance to stop people from hurting or killing themselves WE DO IT!!

Christ lets ban, cars, alcohol, junk food, electromagnetic radiation (some links to cancer), and any physical activity that exposes its participants to ultra-violet rays....

I hate smoking and detest it, but everytime the booze and cigarette excise goes up I think of the people at least one standard deviation below the mean in socio-economic status who are disproportionately represented in our population as drug users, alcoholics, obese and smokers those that can least afford it are being asked to pay more.

Yes I know that some of that excise will go to their health care later on but for some of them they just can't quit because a lifetime of addiction to a drug that when they started the habit was socially acceptable neigh even cool, and despite several attempts their reliance on that drug makes them unable to quit.

Christ do we make it an immigration question - with the tobacco companies increasing their marketing to 3rd world countries. Some poor bastard is getting politically persecuted and meets our refugee status and on entry into the country we say sorry you can't come in because you smoke??

I support all atempts and encourage people to give it up but despite societies best efforts some people are just unable to quit an addiction.

I have pesonal experience watching someone try and try repeatedly to give them up even when presented with the strongest motivation but has been unable to do so because of the addictive nature of that drug.

Prohibtion and punitive actions don't work education does.....Especially when punitive actions are most likely going to effect those that don't have the resources or the intelectual forsight to deal with those actions...

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I know what you're trying to do, Sheik, and it's not going to work.

There is NO EXCUSE for smoking. None. Zero. Zilch. You can throw every single stat you like to try and prove your point. The fact is that these people MUST stop smoking just as much as anyone else should. Even the Aborigines. Smoking does not relieve stress - contrary to the opinions of those in this area. It kills.Whether or not your stats are correct is irrelevant.

(Yes I know, Wedgie! 22!)

Don't know about the must, but no one on this whole thread is denying that smoking is a bad thing, no one.
That's what you keep coming back to.

As I stated before, we'll get to the why & hows in the near future. The wrinkly avatared post above this one is generally getting through to the gist of things, but for now..........please..........

Do the improvished have a higher rate of smoking in it's ranks than the middle class & well to do ?

[PhilG]

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why is it that when your tiring in the straight you downright refuse just to adknowledge a simple question. Roylion had you on toast & you pulled out the same bullshit, & then went on some personal rant against him, followed by this

PhilG wrote:
And it would appear that nothing short of a fist to your face will make you see sense.
&
PhilG wrote:
I'm through talking to you - and this time I mean it.

you come over the all high & mighty warrior here though. Page 2, 2nd post

PhilG
Under 17s

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 483
Location: Victoria


I missed the action as well, and Lunchcutter can thank his lucky stars I didn't get onto him! You lot should have seen me in action over on Aus Boards - there was one smoker there I took to complete and utter shreds.

Who did you'' rip to shreds'' some 12yo?

If your gunna strut around acting the tough guy Phil, have the intestinals to at least put on an argument with an adult. You failed the first time so either play the game or quietly fade away sport.

Do the improvished have a higher rate of smoking in it's ranks than the middle class & well to do ?

[PhilG]

Again, Sheik is trying to defend smoking. He is an idiot.

[MW]

It shouldnt take 7 pages of posts to realise that smokers are blatantly killing themselves voluntarily. End of thread.

[rod_rooster]

This thread just won't end I'll be sure to check back in tomorrow night for some more amusing tales from PhilG and co.

Keep up the good work guys

[scoob]

WABODH's

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The question is irrelevant because you are trying to make excuses for smokers...

No I'm not, that's where your getting me wrong, not at all. Absolutely nothing at all to with any excuse as to why people smoke.

http://www1.worldbank.org/tobacco/book/ ... apter1.htm
Today, in most high-income countries, there are significant differences in the prevalence of smoking between different socioeconomic groups. In the United Kingdom, for instance, only 10 percent of women and 12 percent of men in the highest socioeconomic group are smokers; in the lowest socioeconomic groups the corresponding figures are threefold greater: 35 percent and 40 percent. The same inverse relationship is found between education levels-a marker for socioeconomic status-and smoking. In general, individuals who have received little or no education are more likely to smoke than those who are more educated

So we'll take the above snippet as a gimme then ok? Reckon with the other couple of sites provided earlier the fact that the have nots choff durries at a rate much higher than those who play polo on a regular basis.

So, after all that, here's a scenario, one you can get your teeth into Phil, & nothing to do about why people smoke.

The federal election was held last week. Howard got in by the skin of his sphincter, but the watermelons had a big result with 10 upper house seats. PhilG wins one of the Victorian seats. Bob Brown & his husband though have stepped down to raise a large family of Somalian crippled muslims in a mud igloo on the banks of the Franklin.
PhilG has been elected leader of the party, on the basis that he was the only one on that day not attending the Age of Aquarius festival in Nimben.
Howard has to get his budget through, but with a minority in the senate must strike a deal with The Greens.
Phil has the chance to at last draft up his new tobacco smoking legislation.
These laws come into affect today, right now.

The floor is yours Senator, fire away.

[Punk Rooster]

Interpreting your info there Sheik, if you're smart enough to get a good paying job, then you're smart enough not to smoke...?

[am Bays]

Interpreting your info there Sheik, if you're smart enough to get a good paying job, then you're smart enough not to smoke...?

No, he's saying, if you're smart enough to get a good paying job then you're more likely not to smoke.....

e.g. Nurses and nursing students who smoke WTF!!!!

[mal]

ADVERTISER 20/02/07
ILLEGAL DUMPING TRIPLES

Just a small quote :

Cigarette butts still constitute almost half of Australias litter.

[Punk Rooster]

Cigarette butts still constitute almost half of Australias litter.

perhaps smokers could be a bit more responsible (less selfish), when indulging in their "god given right"???

[mal]

I walked down a street in Cavan and walked about 1/2 a kilometer
I reckon I counted about 500 cigarette butts.

[Booney]

I walked down a street in Cavan and walked about 1/2 a kilometer
I reckon I counted about 500 cigarette butts.

1: What the hell are you doing walking the streets of Cavan?

2: While you are,why are you counting cigarette butts? You should be looking over your shoulder around here,errr,I mean there mate....

[mal]

Well if I walked 1/2 km down Hanson Road.........

I have counted numerous people flicking ash from cars whilst smoking.
I have seen drivers throw the cigarette butts out of cars.
They fine drivers for talking on a mobile phone whilst driving, and yet
people drive one handed whilst having a puff.
AND THEN THERES THE BUSHFIRES...........
Smoking does affect a lot of non smokers.

[JK]

Well if I walked 1/2 km down Hanson Road.........

I have counted numerous people flicking ash from cars whilst smoking.
I have seen drivers throw the cigarette butts out of cars.
They fine drivers for talking on a mobile phone whilst driving, and yet
people drive one handed whilst having a puff.
AND THEN THERES THE BUSHFIRES...........
Smoking does affect a lot of non smokers.

Not meaning for this to form part of the smoking debate, as I've always been bemused by the inconsistencies of what can or can't be done while driving, but smoking (whilst driving) is surely no worse than eating or drinking whilst driving?

[whatcha got there?]

as probably one of the youngest posters on this forum, i thought id open my fat yapper and have a say in this. hopefully i dont get shot down like everyone else has.

has anyone cared to read the trash magazines lately? such a NW and Famous etc? almost all photos of female celebrities, such as lindsay lohan, britney spears, sienna miller (just to name a few), show them smoking.

teenage girls THRIVE on what celebrities do.
anything they do, is automatically considered cool and "socially acceptable", so i think half the problem here is that magazines like the ones i mentioned above. they need to stop printing pictures showing celebs smoking, and that will at least diminish the amount of next-generation smokers.

all that aside, i myself am a smoker, and am currently trying to quit. i think non-smokers that rag on those trying to quit are highly inconsiderate, as it isnt easy.

[MagicKiwi]

Good for you wgt. You'll be more attractive to Phil once you give up, if not downright gorgeous.