Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

[Psyber]

Those who campaign to make other people embrace their views, and abuse them if they don't rush to do so without adequate debate and consideration, have only my contempt for there anti-democratic attempt to impose their world view on all.

Psyber I'm assuming you are referring to the people who howled down the pro-refugee speakers at the Woodside public meeting?

It's called "debate". Watch parliament sometime.
It starts with anger and not listening, but if the process is allowed to continue without someone trying to force the issue from outside it moves slowly towards understanding and rationality.
Were the pro-refugee speakers local or a mobile rent-a-crowd? [I don't know - I've been minding my own business.]
Outside interference tends to unite the locals against the outside force. That's the lesson of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq...

[fish]

Interesting Psyber that you continue to question the right of non-local pro-detention-centre people to speak out on the issue but you have said nothing against the anti-detention-centre people, such as Tony Abbott, Frederic Tobin, and the Australia First Party - who are all non-locals.

A hint of bias perhaps.

For me I believe everyone can and should have an opinion and should be able to voice it.

[Sojourner]

For me I believe everyone can and should have an opinion and should be able to voice it.

Agreed, and that is why I feel that the locals of Inverbrackie along with the residents of SA should have been given the opportunity to be consulted about the plan first.

[Hondo]

For me I believe everyone can and should have an opinion and should be able to voice it.

Agreed, and that is why I feel that the locals of Inverbrackie along with the residents of SA should have been given the opportunity to be consulted about the plan first.

They would have said "great idea and we think Australia should help, but it's not for us thanks anyway".

They have been able to consult on the implementation but not on the original decision. As I said before, would any community take on the refugees if they felt they had a choice (or could lobby their way out of it)? It would take 12 months at least to "consult" a community into agreement.

I agree with you in theory but in practicality I don't think it would work. In some cases you just have to make a D and make the best of it as you can.

[Psyber]

Interesting Psyber that you continue to question the right of non-local pro-detention-centre people to speak out on the issue but you have said nothing against the anti-detention-centre people, such as Tony Abbott, Frederic Tobin, and the Australia First Party - who are all non-locals.
A hint of bias perhaps.
For me I believe everyone can and should have an opinion and should be able to voice it.

Not at all.
I was suggesting that everybody who does not live in this locality should butt out unless asked by the locals for information.
Extremists on either side should not be trying to brow beat the locals into their preferred position before they have the information and time to debate and digest it..

[redandblack]

That's silly, Psyber.

That logic would see nothing ever done.

[Squawk]

Next week should be an interesting week...

[fish]

Interesting Psyber that you continue to question the right of non-local pro-detention-centre people to speak out on the issue but you have said nothing against the anti-detention-centre people, such as Tony Abbott, Frederic Tobin, and the Australia First Party - who are all non-locals.
A hint of bias perhaps.
For me I believe everyone can and should have an opinion and should be able to voice it.

Not at all.
I was suggesting that everybody who does not live in this locality should butt out unless asked by the locals for information.
Extremists on either side should not be trying to brow beat the locals into their preferred position before they have the information and time to debate and digest it..

Psyber are you saying the people of Woodside invited Tony Abbott, Frederic Tobin and the Australia First Party to their town?

[Psyber]

That's silly, Psyber. That logic would see nothing ever done.

I was assuming the locals' organisation and the local council would be inviting input from the government and other legitimate agencies involved in the concept now that the idea has been raised.
The first error was announcing it without prior consultation and that shouldn't be compounded by anyone trying to bully it through without satisfying local concerns after the fact.

External interest groups at either extreme who think they are the only ones who know what is "right" should not be interfering.
It doesn't matter if it takes longer than these extremists on either side would like.

[Psyber]

Interesting Psyber that you continue to question the right of non-local pro-detention-centre people to speak out on the issue but you have said nothing against the anti-detention-centre people, such as Tony Abbott, Frederic Tobin, and the Australia First Party - who are all non-locals.
A hint of bias perhaps.
For me I believe everyone can and should have an opinion and should be able to voice it.

Not at all.
I was suggesting that everybody who does not live in this locality should butt out unless asked by the locals for information.
Extremists on either side should not be trying to brow beat the locals into their preferred position before they have the information and time to debate and digest it..

Psyber are you saying the people of Woodside invited Tony Abbott, Frederic Tobin and the Australia First Party to their town?

No I'm saying they shouldn't have charged in without out invitation either.
Do you attempt to read and comprehend anything before you attempt to challenge it?
This, like your similar stickleback-like behaviour on the Copenhagen thread suggests you don't.

[fish]

Do you attempt to read and comprehend anything before you attempt to challenge it?

Yes - I have read every post in this thread. I accused you of bias and here is why:

1. Tony Abbott flies in to Woodside to voice his opposition to the proposed detention centre - no comment from Psyber.

2. Holocaust denier Frederic Tobin flies in to Woodside espousing who-knows-what but I dare say it wasn't in support of asylum seekers - no comment from Psyber.

3. The Australia First Party move in and distribute offensive anti-asylum-seeker pamphlets - no comment from Psyber.

4. Residents of Blackwood have a float at their Pageant "in support of inverbrackie and welcoming the refugees" - the very next post Psyber insults the Blackwood residents as being NIMBY's and going on to say they are undemocratic and they should not have any say in the issue as they are not locals.

Am I the only one who can see the blatant bias in this?

[dedja]

The real question is whether Psyber was actually on the grassy knoll ...

[Dirko]

So when you moving to Woodside Fish?

[fish]

Meanwhile another positive story from last weeks Courier:

http://thecouriernews.blogspot.com/2010/12/community-support-grows-for-new.html

Community support grows for new arrivals
More than 200 people turned out in a show of support on Sunday for asylum seeker families who will begin arriving at Inverbrackie within weeks.
The Circle of Friends community event at Lobethal drew residents from across the region together to hear stories of refugee experiences in Australia in advance of a detention centre opening near Woodside.
The "community welcome and celebration" event followed a series of heated public meetings in the wake of the Federal Government's October announcement to use former defence housing for asylum seeker families awaiting processing.
Circle of Friends members from across the State shared their stories of meeting with and caring for refugees, while some Afghani refugees shared poetry and music.

[fish]

So when you moving to Woodside Fish?

LOL I'm an immigrant they might not want me...

[Dirko]

So onto the way Denmark wants to deal with it

Send out the topless chicks

[Drop Bear]

So onto the way Denmark wants to deal with it

Send out the topless chicks

I call chairing the selection panel.

[Psyber]

Do you attempt to read and comprehend anything before you attempt to challenge it?

Yes - I have read every post in this thread. I accused you of bias and here is why:

1. Tony Abbott flies in to Woodside to voice his opposition to the proposed detention centre - no comment from Psyber.

2. Holocaust denier Frederic Tobin flies in to Woodside espousing who-knows-what but I dare say it wasn't in support of asylum seekers - no comment from Psyber.

3. The Australia First Party move in and distribute offensive anti-asylum-seeker pamphlets - no comment from Psyber.

4. Residents of Blackwood have a float at their Pageant "in support of inverbrackie and welcoming the refugees" - the very next post Psyber insults the Blackwood residents as being NIMBY's and going on to say they are undemocratic and they should not have any say in the issue as they are not locals.

Am I the only one who can see the blatant bias in this?

Sorry, old boy, but since I've been back in SA my social life has been getting busier, and as this site grows I no longer have time to read every post.
Every so often. like today, I have a bit of a catch up but tend to only read the more recent entries when I do.

Your points?
1. I vaguely recall this, but ignored because I was a bit sick of politics at the time, after all the post-election bullshit from both sides. I'm not a Tony Abbott fan.
2. I hadn't noticed that one - in fact I didn't even recognise the name as I don't pay much attention to real extremists.
3. I recall reading that, but agreed with the trend of comments here and had nothing to add.
4. I noticed what I thought it was an inappropriate intrusion into a Christmas pageant for the political purpose of pushing a group political agenda, so I commented.

[Psyber]

Meanwhile another positive story from last weeks Courier:

http://thecouriernews.blogspot.com/2010/12/community-support-grows-for-new.html

Community support grows for new arrivals
More than 200 people turned out in a show of support on Sunday for asylum seeker families who will begin arriving at Inverbrackie within weeks.
The Circle of Friends community event at Lobethal drew residents from across the region together to hear stories of refugee experiences in Australia in advance of a detention centre opening near Woodside.
The "community welcome and celebration" event followed a series of heated public meetings in the wake of the Federal Government's October announcement to use former defence housing for asylum seeker families awaiting processing.
Circle of Friends members from across the State shared their stories of meeting with and caring for refugees, while some Afghani refugees shared poetry and music.

There is a little vagueness in that text about whether that is local support or largely incoming activists from "across the state" gathering with a few locals.
I suspect not many local community members would actually have "their stories of meeting with and caring for refugees" to share, so it looks a bit like subtle propaganda from or for a broader political organisation..

If they were not mostly genuine locals it is fair to contrast that with this poll from a couple of days ago:

Today's Poll - 6832 votes since Dec 15 2010 "Is it time to re-assess our border security policies?"
Yes, we need to strengthen our borders to deter asylum seekers. 74% 5037 votes
Yes, we need to be more welcoming of those in need. 13% 893 votes
No, the current policy should stay. 13% 902 votes

[Brucetiki]

The first group of 81 asylum seekers have moved into Inverbrackie