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Re: I need to know....

Postby White Line Fever » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:46 pm

kickinit wrote:
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dedja wrote:you've another job obviously? ... same industry?


Going to mines.

But I will back at some stage so need to be very careful about bad mouth in industry.


If your going to the mines just leave, then when you come back deny what ever they say about you. You heading to wa?


Qld mate.

It's an inbred industry gotta be careful but during probation if they don't like you they wouldn't give you 4 weeks, surely it works both ways.

Awkward as fukk situation, need an answer today.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:49 pm

White Line Fever wrote:If my contract says I have to give 4 weeks notice, and I'm still in my probation period, and my employer says I have to do the 4 weeks ...

What is the repercussions if I leave after 2 weeks?

I really need to leave earlier.
I have no AL saved up so not bothered by that.

The usual rule is what your pay period is the notice you have to give believe it or not, although there maybe a rule that if paid weekly, you still have to give 2. So unless you are being paid monthly, you only have to give 2.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby kickinit » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:50 pm

Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week
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Re: I need to know....

Postby White Line Fever » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:24 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:
White Line Fever wrote:If my contract says I have to give 4 weeks notice, and I'm still in my probation period, and my employer says I have to do the 4 weeks ...

What is the repercussions if I leave after 2 weeks?

I really need to leave earlier.
I have no AL saved up so not bothered by that.

The usual rule is what your pay period is the notice you have to give believe it or not, although there maybe a rule that if paid weekly, you still have to give 2. So unless you are being paid monthly, you only have to give 2.


Probation period being the key factor in my case.
I doubt I'd be afforded 4 weeks if they deemed me unsuitable.

However I am paid monthly.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby White Line Fever » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:25 pm

kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week


Wouldn't get out bed for $3k in FIFO role.
WA is where the money is for skilled labour, I'm in an off tools role.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Sturtman » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:27 pm

kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places
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Re: I need to know....

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:33 pm

White Line Fever wrote:
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White Line Fever wrote:If my contract says I have to give 4 weeks notice, and I'm still in my probation period, and my employer says I have to do the 4 weeks ...

What is the repercussions if I leave after 2 weeks?

I really need to leave earlier.
I have no AL saved up so not bothered by that.

The usual rule is what your pay period is the notice you have to give believe it or not, although there maybe a rule that if paid weekly, you still have to give 2. So unless you are being paid monthly, you only have to give 2.


Probation period being the key factor in my case.
I doubt I'd be afforded 4 weeks if they deemed me unsuitable.

However I am paid monthly.

Well your a little screwed.

Which mine? Mackay (I know someone who works there).
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Re: I need to know....

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:43 pm

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kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places

X2. Sometimes it isn't is great as it sounds. I have had a few offers to go work in the mines in the nt, but after weighing up the pros and cons, have turned them down. A mate might be heading to Mongolia to be a site supervisor soon. Still waiting on the details, but a month on/off for the right money might be hard to refuse.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby White Line Fever » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:05 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:
White Line Fever wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
White Line Fever wrote:If my contract says I have to give 4 weeks notice, and I'm still in my probation period, and my employer says I have to do the 4 weeks ...

What is the repercussions if I leave after 2 weeks?

I really need to leave earlier.
I have no AL saved up so not bothered by that.

The usual rule is what your pay period is the notice you have to give believe it or not, although there maybe a rule that if paid weekly, you still have to give 2. So unless you are being paid monthly, you only have to give 2.


Probation period being the key factor in my case.
I doubt I'd be afforded 4 weeks if they deemed me unsuitable.

However I am paid monthly.

Well your a little screwed.

Which mine? Mackay (I know someone who works there).


Dammit.
This sucks.

Not Mackay but prefer not to say.

I've had a few offers to go but this offer was good and I'm in the right time of life to go.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby kickinit » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:48 pm

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kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places


it has definitely changed since you've been there. A non skilled person no qualifications earning $100,000 a year getting 12% super not having to pay for flights food accommodation for 3 weeks of the month, getting 12 weeks off a year. Tell me where someone can earn that money with no qualifications earn that in any metropolitan area in australia.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby HH3 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:52 pm

kickinit wrote:
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kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places


it has definitely changed since you've been there. A non skilled person no qualifications earning $100,000 a year getting 12% super not having to pay for flights food accommodation for 3 weeks of the month, getting 12 weeks off a year. Tell me where someone can earn that money with no qualifications earn that in any metropolitan area in australia.


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Re: I need to know....

Postby Sturtman » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:57 pm

kickinit wrote:
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kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places


it has definitely changed since you've been there. A non skilled person no qualifications earning $100,000 a year getting 12% super not having to pay for flights food accommodation for 3 weeks of the month, getting 12 weeks off a year. Tell me where someone can earn that money with no qualifications earn that in any metropolitan area in australia.

I agree, but im saying if they are doing 12 hr days 7 days a week if you work out the hourly rate before the overtime and weekend penalties its not all that great. You still need to have accomodation back here that you need to pay for, 3 weeks away from family and friends, usually working in hot and dirty conditions.
And its not as simple as saying " i wanna go work in the mines", from what i hear unless you are a tradie its quite difficult to find the work.
But it may suit some people and it may be a great opportunity for them but i still laugh when people say "go to the mines, you will earn 150k a year" because it isnt that simple or good conditions at every mine.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:58 pm

kickinit wrote:
Sturtman wrote:
kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places


it has definitely changed since you've been there. A non skilled person no qualifications earning $100,000 a year getting 12% super not having to pay for flights food accommodation for 3 weeks of the month, getting 12 weeks off a year. Tell me where someone can earn that money with no qualifications earn that in any metropolitan area in australia.

When you work out hourly rates for 70-80 hours, night shift penalties and loosing a day or 2 on time off travelling it does start to loose it's appeal. I'd only do it for a 2 weeks on/off, 4 on/off type roster.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby White Line Fever » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:02 pm

kickinit wrote:
Sturtman wrote:
kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places


it has definitely changed since you've been there. A non skilled person no qualifications earning $100,000 a year getting 12% super not having to pay for flights food accommodation for 3 weeks of the month, getting 12 weeks off a year. Tell me where someone can earn that money with no qualifications earn that in any metropolitan area in australia.


Devils advocate here

12 weeks off a year?
Normal people don't count weekends off on top of their 4 weeks leave

Accommodation?
No one offers rent or obviously a mortgage based on how often you are there.

9% super, the extra 3 is a sacrifice.

But in saying that I hear a lot of people who say they are gonna go to the mines, but few actually do it.
There seems to be a lot of jealousy amongst people who haven't been, but at the of the day I'm making sacrifices to fast forward my financial situation that will set me up for life.
Once I'm back I will have an impressive CV which also will make employment in adelaide a lot more profitable.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Sturtman » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:16 pm

White Line Fever wrote:
kickinit wrote:
Sturtman wrote:
kickinit wrote:Once you got the experience head to wa that's where the $$ are. There's one project that that trade assistants are taking home over $3000 a week

So they are grossing over $5000 per week??
I often laugh when i hear the amounts people say you can earn in the mines. Been there, although about 10years ago. The money is good but when you work out you are doing 70-80hrs a week, then not getting paid on your time off it isnt as great as it seems. Also from my experience there was a lot of work getting subcontracted out to smaller companies so unless you were working for BHP or SANTOS or another major company you usually ended up getting shafted. Just my thoughts, it may have changed or i was in the wrong places


it has definitely changed since you've been there. A non skilled person no qualifications earning $100,000 a year getting 12% super not having to pay for flights food accommodation for 3 weeks of the month, getting 12 weeks off a year. Tell me where someone can earn that money with no qualifications earn that in any metropolitan area in australia.


Devils advocate here

12 weeks off a year?
Normal people don't count weekends off on top of their 4 weeks leave

Accommodation?
No one offers rent or obviously a mortgage based on how often you are there.

9% super, the extra 3 is a sacrifice.

But in saying that I hear a lot of people who say they are gonna go to the mines, but few actually do it.
There seems to be a lot of jealousy amongst people who haven't been, but at the of the day I'm making sacrifices to fast forward my financial situation that will set me up for life.
Once I'm back I will have an impressive CV which also will make employment in adelaide a lot more profitable.

I wasnt bagging you just saying that when i was working as a tradie in different industries i always heard the same thing and having been there i knew it wasnt true in most situations.
Good on you for going away with a plan because i have seen many people work in the mines for years and piss all the money up against the wall and have very little to show for the inconvenience of being away.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:19 pm

Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders. If I was younger and single, I'd be there in a heart beat, living as close as comfortably possible to the mine, except for WA. That would have to be fly in/out. The mines in Queensland are close to decent regional centers Mackay, Gladstone etc. Never know, one day you might be off to Africa, Mongolia etc.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Rams52 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:20 pm

I've got a mate who is working on a mine site in Vietnam, no idea of what money he's on but must be pretty good.
I think he is also 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off as well.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby White Line Fever » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:24 pm

Thanks ^^

I must point out it is short term at this stage, and I do have a very clear plan.

Hope the Mrs deals with it though, took awhile to get her blessing, and having her sister move in helps with loneliness.

Anyway we want kids in approx 2yrs and in this day and age it is very hard for a gen Yer on average income to live in middle class or higher on one income so just gotta do what you need to do.

Wish me luck!!
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Footy Chick » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:34 pm

My brother is looking at doing the same thing at the minute WLF - the sacfrice for 1-2 years means that he could almost pay cash for a house...
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Sturtman » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:58 pm

Footy Chick wrote:My brother is looking at doing the same thing at the minute WLF - the sacfrice for 1-2 years means that he could almost pay cash for a house...

Is he gonna save 150k+ a year FC? This is the exact misconception i am talking about. In most situations you still have the same costs when your working FIFO or working in Adelaide unless you still live at home and have no car etc
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