Pubs and clubs to be closed between 4am-7am

[mighty_tiger_79]

perhaps licensed venues should take more responsibility or they should be held more accountable for serving intoxicated people

[Psyber]

Shut pubs and clubs at 11pm Fridays and Saturdays, and 9pm the rest of the week.
The right idea is get the patrons out before they are totally drunk and more irresponsible than usual - and of course police public drunkenness and public nuisance,.
[ Out of vested interest, I'd give restaurants a little more leeway during the week for those consuming wine or beer leisurely with a substantial meal. ]

For someone who reputedly is very intelligent, you post some crap sometimes.....

You can shut the pubs what ever time suits. Just means people change their drinking habits. Pubs shut early, people start drinking earlier, there fixed. Most people who go out to pubs/clubs to get on the turps start drinking at home/friends place, cafe/restaurant before they get to the pubs in the first place. They're already half cut, and therefore just need to top up and bingo it's on.

Spilling everyone out onto the streets, at the same time, no matter what time it is will be ineffective, as people will still be just as drunk, and the problem will still be there.....

That's why I added this bit,,,

and of course police public drunkenness and public nuisance,.

There have to be apparent consequences to motivate behaviour change - getting "half cut" [or fully cut] is irresponsible in the first place.

[Psyber]

perhaps licensed venues should take more responsibility or they should be held more accountable for serving intoxicated people

Absolutely, but they only share the responsibility with those who choose to drink to excess.
And it would be even more expensive to police than taking drunks of the streets.

[Moe]

I have worked in the industry for 22 years, and the one thing i agree on is upping the legal drinking age to 21.
Closing at 4am will do nothing as every Bar worker, owner, security guard or copper knows all trouble starts around 1am.

Have thought about owning a pub for years, and my thoughts are:
All pubs, last drinks at midnight, all out by 12.30.
If the casino is to stay open, bring back strict dress codes & police this area heavily.

We talk about tourism, but bugger me, how many tourists in their right mind would want to visit the toilet we call Hindley street anytime let alone 4am.
Tourism is about sights, shopping, eating out, meeting friends. It is not about getting smashed then bashed.

[Crack]

I have worked in the industry for 22 years, and the one thing i agree on is upping the legal drinking age to 21.
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Moe if the drinking age was 21 when you were younger, Where would you have gone when you/we were 18 in our stonewash denim, hightop sneakers and jag t-shirts.....

And I might not have had to fish out a $20 from your spew filled pocket to give to the cabbie to get you home on my first night at Lennies!!

[Moe]

I have worked in the industry for 22 years, and the one thing i agree on is upping the legal drinking age to 21.
.

Moe if the drinking age was 21 when you were younger, Where would you have gone when you/we were 18 in our stonewash denim, hightop sneakers and jag t-shirts.....

And I might not have had to fish out a $20 from your spew filled pocket to give to the cabbie to get you home on my first night at Lennies!!

Well i probably would have drank at either your place or your mate Rossers house, as there was never a shortage from your parents
Plus we had a never ending supply from the bottling line you & i worked on when we were 16. The old Chataeu Marbay goons, good times
As for the first night a lennies, well tequila slammers, with galliano chasers were never a good idea. AND you never put me in a cab ya bastard, but in a bloody charger driven by a lunatic.
Never said anything about fahion either, plus stonewash was cool back in 87/88

[Zelezny Chucks]

What is the point of bringing in more laws when the current ones aren't policed?

Anyone who has worked in a bar knows that the serving of intoxicated patrons is against the law but how many of them actually worry about it?

In my time working in hospitality I never heard, much less saw someone fined for serving an intoxicated patron. If licenced venues were held more accountable in this then they would not have the issue of a large number of intoxicated people.

This is just a typical response to hide the real issue that there is an element of society that think it is their right to act this way and while alcohol may excerbate the problem it is not the cause. Some people are just f**kheads regardless of what they have in their system.

Until people are held accountable for their actions they will continue to treat everyone how they wish.

[Moe]

What is the point of bringing in more laws when the current ones aren't policed?

Anyone who has worked in a bar knows that the serving of intoxicated patrons is against the law but how many of them actually worry about it?
In my time working in hospitality I never heard, much less saw someone fined for serving an intoxicated patron. If licenced venues were held more accountable in this then they would not have the issue of a large number of intoxicated people.

This is just a typical response to hide the real issue that there is an element of society that think it is their right to act this way and while alcohol may excerbate the problem it is not the cause. Some people are just f**kheads regardless of what they have in their system.

Until people are held accountable for their actions they will continue to treat everyone how they wish.

Trust me ZC, I do.

[Zelezny Chucks]

Unfortunately Moe, I think you would be in the minority.

A lot of the problem stems from the bar staff actually being 18 to 21. They do not have the confidence or experience to stand up to a patron who may become angry if they are refused service and probably feel safer just serving them as they will get away with it.

[Moe]

Unfortunately Moe, I think you would be in the minority.

A lot of the problem stems from the bar staff actually being 18 to 21. They do not have the confidence or experience to stand up to a patron who may become angry if they are refused service and probably feel safer just serving them as they will get away with it.

A very good point.
Pubs tend to have alot of uni students as bar people, as they are working their way thru uni, or young people who have done a "Bar & waiting" course.
If the opening times were less, it would mean that the more experienced staff could/would be behind the jump more often, therefore teaching the younger crew.
I suppose it would mean less hours for younger people too, which is a downside.
When i managed a pub down at Glenelg south about 5 years ago, i had 7-8 of the best staff going around, and they were all capable of running the whole hotel on their own at any given time.
"Good staff is hard to find".

[Pag]

will the casino have to close for those hours?

No. Casino exempt from it. Gail Gago said the casino "has a different class of people and gets alot of international vistors".

Great idea. Get p*ssed people out in the street at 4am .....then everyone have HOME parties till all hours and bring on the noise complaints!!!

Great idea!!!

Different class of people?? Dodn't look like when I was in there three weeks ago on a Sat nite. That place is full of pissed ferals.

Has there every been a worse example of public policy?? Yep shut all other pubs at 4 pm but keep the Casino open. I wonder where all the pissed idiots are going to be by 4:15 am?? Not that the casino will stop them from entering as they exist to extract peoples hard earned any way they can.

Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb

The Casino have refused me entry numerous times before, it's genuinely harder to get in there than any other place in the CBD. Sometimes warranted, other times I've literally only had a couple of beers and got the old 'can smell the grog on ya mate, not tonight.'

[overloaded]

perhaps licensed venues should take more responsibility or they should be held more accountable for serving intoxicated people

Absolutely, but they only share the responsibility with those who choose to drink to excess.
And it would be even more expensive to police than taking drunks of the streets.

Very hard to police when bar staff are flat out serving drinks.

[Psyber]

I have worked in the industry for 22 years, and the one thing i agree on is upping the legal drinking age to 21.
Closing at 4am will do nothing as every Bar worker, owner, security guard or copper knows all trouble starts around 1am.

Have thought about owning a pub for years, and my thoughts are:
All pubs, last drinks at midnight, all out by 12.30.
If the casino is to stay open, bring back strict dress codes & police this area heavily.

We talk about tourism, but bugger me, how many tourists in their right mind would want to visit the toilet we call Hindley street anytime let alone 4am.
Tourism is about sights, shopping, eating out, meeting friends. It is not about getting smashed then bashed.

Absolutely!
Even though I am reasonably skilled physically, and still reasonably sound and able to defend myself and any companion, I avoid these places like the plague and spend my money in more civilised environs.
[At home or on holiday.]
Who needs the hassle?

[OnSong]

I have worked in the industry for 22 years, and the one thing i agree on is upping the legal drinking age to 21.
Closing at 4am will do nothing as every Bar worker, owner, security guard or copper knows all trouble starts around 1am.

Have thought about owning a pub for years, and my thoughts are:
All pubs, last drinks at midnight, all out by 12.30.
If the casino is to stay open, bring back strict dress codes & police this area heavily.

We talk about tourism, but bugger me, how many tourists in their right mind would want to visit the toilet we call Hindley street anytime let alone 4am.
Tourism is about sights, shopping, eating out, meeting friends. It is not about getting smashed then bashed.

Absolutely!
Even though I am reasonably skilled physically, and still reasonably sound and able to defend myself and any companion, I avoid these places like the plague
Who needs the hassle?

[JK]

I have worked in the industry for 22 years, and the one thing i agree on is upping the legal drinking age to 21.
Closing at 4am will do nothing as every Bar worker, owner, security guard or copper knows all trouble starts around 1am.

Have thought about owning a pub for years, and my thoughts are:
All pubs, last drinks at midnight, all out by 12.30.
If the casino is to stay open, bring back strict dress codes & police this area heavily.

We talk about tourism, but bugger me, how many tourists in their right mind would want to visit the toilet we call Hindley street anytime let alone 4am.
Tourism is about sights, shopping, eating out, meeting friends. It is not about getting smashed then bashed.

Absolutely!
Even though I am reasonably skilled physically, and still reasonably sound and able to defend myself and any companion, I avoid these places like the plague
Who needs the hassle?

I don't get it, why the bloke from Happy Days?

[OnSong]

Never watched it. It doesn't look like the Fonz, so I'm not sure what's going on now.

[Media Park]

Ahh, the 7a.m. brewski... love it?

[Zelezny Chucks]

When you finish work between 5am and 6am you do love it.

[scoob]

The UK recently introduced 24 hour licenses as a measure to combat street violence - was thought that staggering the leaving times of patrons would lessen 'contact' time people are on the streets - Polar opposite to what is proposed here... Mike Rann is stating that New York City has a 4 hour non serving period so it must be right - they have no drunken/violent behaviour there!

[Sam_goUUUdogs]

I'm over 18, I pay taxes, why shouldn't I be able to have a drink in a pub or club at 6 in the morning if that's what I want to do?
I'm so sick and tired of the government in this state (and to a lesser extent this country as a whole) trying to control every single aspect of peoples lives.

I've been out to Hindley Street countless times, and there has been many times I've been so written off I can barley string two words together, but not once have I started a fight, in fact not once have I even been involved in one, I firmly believe if you do genuinely want to avoid trouble in town, then you can do so quite easily.

I don't think for one second that the ''drunken violence'' in the CBD is anywhere near as bad as what the media will have you believe, I also don't think heavily intoxicated people in general are that big of a problem, the majority of intoxicated people in the CBD are simply having a good time, don't want any trouble, and pretty well keep to themselves.
People who will start fights on Hindley Street on a weekend are generally just dickheads, intoxication has very little to do with it, they could be completley sober, chances are they'll still be antagonistic wankers.

There is no doubt in my mind that if this proposal is put through it will lead to more trouble if nothing else, the people out on the street will no longer be happy cos they've had a good night, they will be frustrated because they've done nothing wrong, yet are being forced to head home earlier than they'd like.

I've never understood the thought process behind proposals such as this and lockouts, the mentality that all people leave venues at the same time, and then all try and go home at the same time really makes no sense at all.
While it would never get off the ground in South Australia, a smarter idea would actually be to keep venues open later, the longer they are open the more people will get cut off due to intoxication which would then create a gradual flow of people leaving venues rather than one mass exodus, which in all honesty is just asking for trouble.